Hi Group, I survived it, and it was not bad at all, I played my songs with feeling, and a major mistake I made was in the middle of a keyboard solo and it ended up sounding real "Jazzy", that was lucky… As I mentioned in another thread, my rig performed great, good stage volume, could hear myself ok. Stupid lack of experience resulted in me standing on the opposite side from where my amp was, but I think I was smart and turned the amp up and my bass down a little as to have a reserve in case I needed it, as well as turning the stack in my direction. I played using my BX3000t and 2×10 cab set. Now for the recording, I asked a while ago for recommendations on replacing my broken MD recorder, after careful consideration, I decided to buy a Sony MZ-NH700 it’s not the top of the line recorder, but it’s the first one to have a mic input. Price was one of the factors that helped me in this decision, plus the fact that I still have dozens of Minidiscs. I’m not going to discuss how Sony crippled this product by not allowing people to freely move the digital content to and from the computer, as I was just interested in recording rehearsals and concerts, and I always will have the sound going through my mixer and maybe some Eq and etc before going in to the computer.. I had previously re-formated a normal MD to HI-MD, that lets you record 28 minutes of uncompressed audio or 2 hours and 20 minutes of audio in 256kbps quality. I was pleased with the quality. Then on the day of the concert, I used the 1Gb Hi-MD disk that came with the recorder, it lets you record 1 hour and 34 minutes of uncompressed audio or *7 hours and 34 minutes* in 256kbps, what means that I pressed rec on the beginning of the concert and forgot about it, four bands later I just retrieved the recorder and "finito". But the biggest improvement over the older MD I had, is that you have many ways to set the input gain, including a "live music"and manual settings. It’s a flimsy machine though, my old MD was metal, this is all plastic. Don’t get me started with this copy protection BS, for me, this MD is just an analog device, they don’t even support Mac’s for the wav converting software. — Chris "If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason." Jack Handey
Visit http://www.1badhabit.com for some straight to MD recordings. I used a cheap Radio Shack stereo lapel condensor mic. The mic elements were separated as far as trhe cables would allow, and taped to the ceiling of the club about 25 feet in front of the mains. Only vocals are in the mains, everything else if from stage. I think we could have used some kick drum in there as well. My recorder was a MDS-JE510 home deck. This uit doesn’t have any extended recording options, so I had to switch discs every set. Next time I try this, I have a Creative Jukebox3 to try. It allows direct to disk uncompressed recordings, plus Firewire to retrieve them (not officially supported on the Mac, but there is a hack). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Group, > I survived it, and it was not bad at all, I played my songs with > feeling, and a major mistake I made was in the middle of a keyboard solo > and it ended up sounding real "Jazzy", that was lucky… > As I mentioned in another thread, my rig performed great, good stage > volume, could hear myself ok. Stupid lack of experience resulted in me > standing on the opposite side from where my amp was, but I think I was > smart and turned the amp up and my bass down a little as to have a > reserve in case I needed it, as well as turning the stack in my > direction. I played using my BX3000t and 2×10 cab set. > Now for the recording, I asked a while ago for recommendations on > replacing my broken MD recorder, after careful consideration, I decided > to buy a Sony MZ-NH700 it’s not the top of the line recorder, but it’s > the first one to have a mic input. Price was one of the factors that > helped me in this decision, plus the fact that I still have dozens of > Minidiscs. > I’m not going to discuss how Sony crippled this product by not allowing > people to freely move the digital content to and from the computer, as I > was just interested in recording rehearsals and concerts, and I always > will have the sound going through my mixer and maybe some Eq and etc > before going in to the computer.. > I had previously re-formated a normal MD to HI-MD, that lets you record > 28 minutes of uncompressed audio or 2 hours and 20 minutes of audio in > 256kbps quality. I was pleased with the quality. > Then on the day of the concert, I used the 1Gb Hi-MD disk that came > with the recorder, it lets you record 1 hour and 34 minutes of > uncompressed audio or *7 hours and 34 minutes* in 256kbps, what means > that I pressed rec on the beginning of the concert and forgot about it, > four bands later I just retrieved the recorder and "finito". > But the biggest improvement over the older MD I had, is that you have > many ways to set the input gain, including a "live music"and manual > settings. > It’s a flimsy machine though, my old MD was metal, this is all plastic. > Don’t get me started with this copy protection BS, for me, this MD is > just an analog device, they don’t even support Mac’s for the wav > converting software.
7 hours and 34 minutes. Whew. Nice, informative post. At 256kbps, if you had to get it into your computer by going analog back to digital, you would still have some clarity.
> Visit http://www.1badhabit.com for some straight to MD recordings. I > used a cheap Radio Shack stereo lapel condensor mic. The mic elements > were separated as far as trhe cables would allow, and taped to the > ceiling of the club about 25 feet in front of the mains. Only vocals > are in the mains, everything else if from stage. I think we could have > used some kick drum in there as well. > My recorder was a MDS-JE510 home deck. This uit doesn’t have any > extended recording options, so I had to switch discs every set. Next > time I try this, I have a Creative Jukebox3 to try. It allows direct > to disk uncompressed recordings, plus Firewire to retrieve them (not > officially supported on the Mac, but there is a hack).
I steered away from the Hd recorders first because of the price, and second because I would need a mic preamp and I was not able to find a nice battery powered one in such short notice, so the mic input on the MD made the decision for me. Nice recordings on your site, let me know when you get some recordings from the Creative. — Chris "If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason." Jack Handey
> 7 hours and 34 minutes. Whew. > Nice, informative post. > At 256kbps, if you had to get it into your computer by going analog > back to digital, you would still have some clarity.
Since this recording is kind of important, I will do this also as a test to see how this process works, I will connect the MD via USB to a PC notebook, where I will download and convert the files to wav, and then send them over the network to my mac for editing and burning, this way I bypass one DA/AD step. — Chris "If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason." Jack Handey
>> 7 hours and 34 minutes. Whew. > Nice, informative post. > At 256kbps, if you had to get it into your computer by going analog > back to digital, you would still have some clarity. >Since this recording is kind of important, I will do this also as a test >to see how this process works, I will connect the MD via USB to a PC >notebook, where I will download and convert the files to wav, and then >send them over the network to my mac for editing and burning, this way I >bypass one DA/AD step.
Glad it went ok Chris 
I wouldn’t mind a copy of a track when you have .mp3′d one please ? I bought a Sony portable MD recorder ages ago with the thought to recording my Daughter when she did her recorder concerts (now oboe / guitar / bass as well <g>) and listening to music on the move. I also found an active stereo mic that went with it ok. I even transferred some test recordings to the PC and although it worked ok it was all of a bit of a kerfuffle compared with all this modern digital stuff? All the best .. T i m
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>7 hours and 34 minutes. Whew. >>Nice, informative post. >>At 256kbps, if you had to get it into your computer by going analog >>back to digital, you would still have some clarity. >Since this recording is kind of important, I will do this also as a test >to see how this process works, I will connect the MD via USB to a PC >notebook, where I will download and convert the files to wav, and then >send them over the network to my mac for editing and burning, this way I >bypass one DA/AD step. > Glad it went ok Chris > I wouldn’t mind a copy of a track when you have .mp3′d one please ? > I bought a Sony portable MD recorder ages ago with the thought to > recording my Daughter when she did her recorder concerts (now oboe / > guitar / bass as well <g>) and listening to music on the move. I also > found an active stereo mic that went with it ok. I even transferred > some test recordings to the PC and although it worked ok it was all of > a bit of a kerfuffle compared with all this modern digital stuff? > All the best .. > T i m
Sure, is your e-mail valid? But what I was doing is basically the same as you can do with your recorder, the only difference is that this new recorder "compresses" the data to give you more rec time, although mostly unnoticeable, this does degrade the quality of the recording, so I can safely say you are ok with your MD recorder, a good mic is part of the deal, but the most important thing is IMHO mic placement. I had two choices on Friday, one was putting the mic on the stage front on the left, the other was putting it in the sound boot, but it was in the end of a narrow room on the ceiling, so I was afraid of getting to much room reverb or rumble up there and decided for the stage. In my other thread about "my bootleg" I mention a certain distance in the recorded sound, I think John S. nailed it in the head by calling this "room rumble", I will try to remove this with a parametric equalizer once the files are in the computer, I usually do this stuff with a behringer parametric eq while I’m saving the files from the phone out of the recorder and in to the computer, but I’m trying to bypass one step of digital to analog conversion in order to keep the quality as high as I can for the main band recording. It will be a nice gift for them, especially after the way me and my wife where treated Friday, they really deserve it, I reckon we are kind of a novelty, being Brazilian and living in Hungary, but even so I never had so many people buying me beers, it was a great hangover on Saturday… ; ) — Chris "If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason." Jack Handey
This is really interesting. I lost 3 tracks from my recording, why? Because I didn’t bother to plug the power in while I was listening to the tracks and marking them. Marking is editing, and under the recorder there is a metal sticker that says: "When making a long recording or editing a Hi-Md use the Ac power supply since this operations consume a lot of power." Lesson learned, but couldn’t the recorder be smart enough as not to allow this operations after the battery goes down to a certain level? The more this things start to resemble a computer in it’s operation the more unreliable they get. Look what the manual says about the error message: "The audio data or disk management file has been damaged" Yesterday I was trying out the process of importing the tracks to my pc notebook and converting them to wav. Didn’t work out, Sony’s software is a joke, wav converter doesn’t display the files and doesn’t let you choose the location they are. I’m not messing with that again, from now on I’m just ignoring the usb port on the recorder. And I’m ordering one of this small battery operated pre-amps in order to be able to buy a Hd recorder that only has line-in should the need arise. — Chris
> | ozzy is impotent, he said it in an interview. > | Thats one more thing he can’t do 
> I didn’t know.. nor did I *really* care about that > little diddy. ;)
Does that ruin them Fantasies of ya getting IT up u’r BITCH ASS?
> > | ozzy is impotent, he said it in an interview. > | Thats one more thing he can’t do > I didn’t know.. nor did I *really* care about that > little diddy. ;) > Does that ruin them Fantasies of ya getting IT up u’r BITCH ASS?
He’s a pussy heheheheeehhhh!!! No wonder he "sings" and sounds like a pig
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > | ozzy is impotent, he said it in an interview. > > | Thats one more thing he can’t do > > I didn’t know.. nor did I *really* care about that > > little diddy. ;) > Does that ruin them Fantasies of ya getting IT up u’r BITCH ASS? > He’s a pussy heheheheeehhhh!!! > No wonder he "sings" and sounds like a pig
Your jealous hostility toward Ozzy has been noted. I’m not impressed by your futile, absolute asinine, piteous and simplistic attempts to tarnish The Godfather of Heavy Metal. Ozzy has paid his dues in the competitive world of music and his accomplishments are well deserved. His influence, his signature vocals, his experience, his triumphs and his defeats are indelibly chronicled in the history books of rock ‘n roll. Your juvenile and unintelligible comments involve words rather than meaning or substance, which indicates to me a lack of education and sophistication. George:)2005
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ozzy is impotent, he said it in an interview. Thats one more thing he can’t do
> ozzy is impotent, he said it in an interview. > Thats one more thing he can’t do
Ozzy has always been an impotent person. He went to see the dentist dressed in a tuxedo. When the media asked, "why the tuxedo Ozzy?" Ozzy responded: Well, if I’m gonna be impotent. I want to look impotent. But seriously I didn’t know he was impotent, but it can mean one of two things; unable to engage in sexual intercourse because of inability to have and maintain an erection; broadly : STERILE, : failing to produce or incapable of producing offspring. There are treatments for the condition, which he can discuss with his doctor. YFISABBATH2005 G:)
| ozzy is impotent, he said it in an interview. | Thats one more thing he can’t do I didn’t know.. nor did I *really* care about that little diddy. ;)
I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find out if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage 30’s that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie 2X12 Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and the other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa Boogie was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, the replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively tone as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, and this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one that’s in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I just found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. If this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion stating that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the Chinese people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like I’ve thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback from other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market that will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab are giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Blessings, Brian
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find out > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage 30’s > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie 2X12 > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and the > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa Boogie > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, the > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively tone > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, and > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one that’s > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I just > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. If > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion stating > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the Chinese > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like I’ve > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback from > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market that > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab are > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Blessings, > Brian
www.webervst.com
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to > find out > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage > 30’s > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa > Boogie 2X12 > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and the > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa > Boogie > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, the > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same > lively tone > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, > and > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one > that’s > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I just > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. If > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion > stating > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the > Chinese > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like > I’ve > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some > feedback from > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market that > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 > cab are > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Blessings, > Brian > www.webervst.com
look at the ceramic 1230-55
Brian, First, check out the Weber site.. most folks around here like his quality and appreciate his help. V 30s are not for everyone, and Imanufacturers do have some parts or a run of parts that gets by QC. That being said, the rectifier cab is usually very reliable, as I have a couple; the most recent purchased just prior to Christmas. The deeper cab and the closed back should give you a lot of bass accent.The V30s tend to be midrange centric… The combination should give a tonal output that cuts through the mix.. but you need to be away from the cab as no sound escapes the back of the cab. On stage, and depending on your distance the cab may not sound right to you, but trust me, setting up your EQ to what you hear say in sound check, will be pushed forward. If you are on top of your amp, as is the case on most regular venues, you may be getting alot of mid in your ear.. but about 8 to 10 feet away, IMHO, it’s giving you what you dialed in. Another issue is that Celestion 30s tend to have ghost or harmonic notes in a certain area of the playing spectrum.. I know it to be circa the 12th fret for both my PRS and Brian Moore guitars.. strings 2 and 3.. Again some folks like that ! It doesn’t trouble me, but that’s me.. I had read in one of the groups that the 8 ohm V30 was still a British product and the 16s Chineese.. Having wanted a little lighter cab I tried the 2X12 Avatar 16 Ohm, and by golly they sounded as I expected.. For $260 and a 10 day return policy it could be a real good option if you can return the Mesa.. Peace, danny
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find out > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage 30’s > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie 2X12 > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and the > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa Boogie > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, the > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively tone > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, and > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one that’s > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I just > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. If > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion stating > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the Chinese > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like I’ve > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback from > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market that > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab are > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Blessings, > Brian
I’ll have to check out the Weber site. I’ve been playing through Vintage 30’s for years, and they’ve always been consistent in tone and quality. This is the first time that I’ve run into a situation where 1 sounds really good, and the other 3, well frankly, just don’t cut it. If a person can get a matched set of 4 in a 4X12, but they can’t now, then my first thought is bad quality control. I even had my sound man scope things out, and he was able to definitely see the differences. Boy you’re right. The MB cab is one heavy cab. <GRIN> I love my Mesa cab, now I’d like to have a matched set of speakers to go in it, instead of 1 really good one, and 1 not so good out of 3. Hey, if the 8-ohm Vintage 30’s were still being made in the UK, then it would be well worth the investment to get a pair. I would hope that their QC at that plant would still be just as good. Blessings, Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: alt.guitar.amps Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 6:20 PM > Brian, > First, check out the Weber site.. most folks around here like his quality > and appreciate his help. > V 30s are not for everyone, and Imanufacturers do have some parts or a run > of parts that gets by QC. That being said, the rectifier cab is usually > very reliable, as I have a couple; the most recent purchased just prior to > Christmas. > The deeper cab and the closed back should give you a lot of bass accent.The > V30s tend to be midrange centric… The combination should give a tonal > output that cuts through the mix.. but you need to be away from the cab as > no sound escapes the back of the cab. On stage, and depending on your > distance the cab may not sound right to you, but trust me, setting up your > EQ to what you hear say in sound check, will be pushed forward. If you are > on top of your amp, as is the case on most regular venues, you may be > getting alot of mid in your ear.. but about 8 to 10 feet away, IMHO, it’s > giving you what you dialed in. > Another issue is that Celestion 30s tend to have ghost or harmonic notes in > a certain area of the playing spectrum.. I know it to be circa the 12th fret > for both my PRS and Brian Moore guitars.. strings 2 and 3.. Again some > folks like that ! It doesn’t trouble me, but that’s me.. > I had read in one of the groups that the 8 ohm V30 was still a British > product and the 16s Chineese.. Having wanted a little lighter cab I tried > the 2X12 Avatar 16 Ohm, and by golly they sounded as I expected.. For $260 > and a 10 day return policy it could be a real good option if you can return > the Mesa.. > Peace, > danny > I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find > out > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage 30’s > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie > 2X12 > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and the > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa > Boogie > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, the > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively > tone > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, and > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one > that’s > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I just > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. If > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion stating > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the > Chinese > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like > I’ve > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback > from > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market that > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab > are > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Blessings, > Brian
I’ve got a V30 in my HRD and I love it. But I bought it several years ago. Are they making them in China now? That would suck.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find out > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage 30’s > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie 2X12 > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and the > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa Boogie > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, the > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively tone > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, and > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one that’s > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I just > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. If > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion stating > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the Chinese > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like I’ve > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback from > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market that > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab are > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Blessings, > Brian
As far as I can tell from everything I’m being told, and reading on the net, the Vintage 30 production is all being done in China. Well I bit the bullet and pulled a pair of my Vintage 30’s that I bought back in 97 out of my Marshall 4X12 cab, and man, what a difference. My Mesa Boogie 2X12 Rectifier really sounds nice, and that’s at low volumes. I can’t wait to get it over to the church this weekend and see how it sounds cranked. Unless something changes, I’m done with the new Vintage 30’s. I’m not about to throw anymore money away on a hit or miss deal. I’m going to look at Weber, or some of these other brands. Blessings, Brian
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve got a V30 in my HRD and I love it. But I bought it several years ago. > Are they making them in China now? That would suck. > I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find > out > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage 30’s > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie > 2X12 > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and the > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa > Boogie > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, the > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively > tone > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, and > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one > that’s > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I just > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. If > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion stating > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the > Chinese > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like > I’ve > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback > from > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market that > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab > are > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Blessings, > Brian
Looked at Randall? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > As far as I can tell from everything I’m being told, and reading on the net, > the Vintage 30 production is all being done in China. > Well I bit the bullet and pulled a pair of my Vintage 30’s that I bought > back in 97 out of my Marshall 4X12 cab, and man, what a difference. My Mesa > Boogie 2X12 Rectifier really sounds nice, and that’s at low volumes. I > can’t wait to get it over to the church this weekend and see how it sounds > cranked. Unless something changes, I’m done with the new Vintage 30’s. I’m > not about to throw anymore money away on a hit or miss deal. I’m going to > look at Weber, or some of these other brands. > Blessings, > Brian >I’ve got a V30 in my HRD and I love it. But I bought it several years ago. >Are they making them in China now? That would suck. >>I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find >out >>if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage > 30’s >>that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie >2X12 >>Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with >>Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and > the >>other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa >Boogie >>was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, > the >>replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low >>frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively >tone >>as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, > and >>this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one >that’s >>in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more >>transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I > just >>found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. > If >>this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way >>down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion > stating >>that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the >Chinese >>people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like >I’ve >>thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback >from >>other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market > that >>will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab >are >>giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any >>thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >>Blessings, >>Brian
Somebody at the harmony central forums recently said that the new Eminence Governor is like the Vintage 30 but that it is slightly warmer and without the V30’s harsh upper frequencies. He even likes 2 of them better than the V30 + G12H30 combo, which he was very happy with prior to trying the Governor. I too have been very happy with the V30 + G12H30 combo in a 2×12, but I think the V30 sounds over compressed and buzzy by itself so I may give the governor a shot in its place. StratMatt
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve got a V30 in my HRD and I love it. But I bought it several years ago. > Are they making them in China now? That would suck. > I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find > out > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage 30’s > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie > 2X12 > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and the > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa > Boogie > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, the > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively > tone > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, and > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one > that’s > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I just > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. If > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion stating > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the > Chinese > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like > I’ve > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback > from > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market that > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab > are > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Blessings, > Brian
Hi, I’ve been a vintage 30 guy for a long time.. and as in any device, feeature preference, style, in music what YOU like to hear from an instrument or cab, is a very personal preference. I like the tone of the 30s.. to me they are not as passive as most stuff out there, and what some may call a howel another calls a growl?? If I were you, and not satisfied with a V30, I would not replace it with something mirroring its design. The Emminance may be an option, but until you hear it in your cab, you will not know, and even then it’ll take a few gigs et al just to be sure. So if you have the wherewithall to experiment, you’re on the right track.. if not, try to find a similar cab with the speakers inplace. As for Chineese quality, Celestion has been around a good long time, and I think they beleive thier products are top notch, so by moving to China, they do cut cost, labor costs. And the machines used in China must meet the tolerances and specifications for Celestion, otherwise V30 guys and Lead guys and thier staple product folks would soon be headed else where.. Chineese resources, as Japan and Korea have proven, are equal to most US an European.. Except for price. And, having recently purchased a new Mesa Recto cab and a 4×12, in addition to the 2×12 I was using, seem right on… if anything, Mesa themselves have reduced the quality of their cabs in the standard Tolex, amp coverings and knobs… also, I am understanding that it’s the 16 Ohm V30 that is made in China.. However, hedgin my bet, that could have changed as well. so, try everything.. call Ted Weber he’s about as good as they come, and play on.. My point: You can only be the judge of what you like.. And everybody else including me are only offering our best opinion. danny
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Somebody at the harmony central forums recently said that the new Eminence > Governor is like the Vintage 30 but that it is slightly warmer and without > the V30’s harsh upper frequencies. > He even likes 2 of them better than the V30 + G12H30 combo, which he was > very happy with prior to trying the Governor. > I too have been very happy with the V30 + G12H30 combo in a 2×12, but I > think the V30 sounds over compressed and buzzy by itself so I may give the > governor a shot in its place. > StratMatt > I’ve got a V30 in my HRD and I love it. But I bought it several years ago. > Are they making them in China now? That would suck. > > I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find > out > > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage > 30’s > > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie > 2X12 > > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and > the > > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa > Boogie > > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, > the > > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively > tone > > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, > and > > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one > that’s > > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more > > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I > just > > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. > If > > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way > > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion > stating > > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the > Chinese > > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like > I’ve > > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback > from > > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market > that > > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab > are > > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Blessings, > > Brian
It is amazing after I put my older Vintage 30’s from my 4X12 cab into the Boogie cab how much of a difference it really made. Even the one fairly good Vintage 30 didn’t even come close to these older ones. Now the cabinet, in my opinion sounds like it should. I’ve just got to find some replacements to put back into my 4X12 cab. Blessings, Brian
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > I’ve been a vintage 30 guy for a long time.. and as in any device, feeature > preference, style, in music what YOU like to hear from an instrument or cab, > is a very personal preference. I like the tone of the 30s.. to me they are > not as passive as most stuff out there, and what some may call a howel > another calls a growl?? > If I were you, and not satisfied with a V30, I would not replace it with > something mirroring its design. The Emminance may be an option, but until > you hear it in your cab, you will not know, and even then it’ll take a few > gigs et al just to be sure. So if you have the wherewithall to experiment, > you’re on the right track.. if not, try to find a similar cab with the > speakers inplace. > As for Chineese quality, Celestion has been around a good long time, and I > think they beleive thier products are top notch, so by moving to China, they > do cut cost, labor costs. And the machines used in China must meet the > tolerances and specifications for Celestion, otherwise V30 guys and Lead > guys and thier staple product folks would soon be headed else where.. > Chineese resources, as Japan and Korea have proven, are equal to most US an > European.. Except for price. > And, having recently purchased a new Mesa Recto cab and a 4×12, in addition > to the 2×12 I was using, seem right on… if anything, Mesa themselves have > reduced the quality of their cabs in the standard Tolex, amp coverings and > knobs… also, I am understanding that it’s the 16 Ohm V30 that is made in > China.. However, hedgin my bet, that could have changed as well. > so, try everything.. call Ted Weber he’s about as good as they come, and > play on.. My point: You can only be the judge of what you like.. And > everybody else including me are only offering our best opinion. > danny > Somebody at the harmony central forums recently said that the new Eminence > Governor is like the Vintage 30 but that it is slightly warmer and without > the V30’s harsh upper frequencies. > He even likes 2 of them better than the V30 + G12H30 combo, which he was > very happy with prior to trying the Governor. > I too have been very happy with the V30 + G12H30 combo in a 2×12, but I > think the V30 sounds over compressed and buzzy by itself so I may give the > governor a shot in its place. > StratMatt > > I’ve got a V30 in my HRD and I love it. But I bought it several years > ago. > > Are they making them in China now? That would suck. > > > I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to > find > > out > > > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage > 30’s > > > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa > Boogie > > 2X12 > > > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > > > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and > the > > > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa > > Boogie > > > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, > the > > > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > > > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same > lively > > tone > > > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, > and > > > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one > > that’s > > > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds > more > > > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I > just > > > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. > If > > > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone > way > > > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion > stating > > > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the > > Chinese > > > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like > > I’ve > > > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some > feedback > > from > > > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market > that > > > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 > cab > > are > > > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > > > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > Blessings, > > > Brian
Hello everyone, I didn’t post for a while, so some of you might not know me or forget about me in he meantime… Well, life’s like that. Anyway, i just wanted to give you a little update about what’s happening in my life. Last year, i have played, with the country band, about 20 gigs, which were all really great except one. We’re looking forward to some fantastic gigs this year, like the a gig at the Luxemburg’s Honda Goldwing Club Meeting. We’re already booked for 10 gigs, which is until september. I also joined a cover band, we’ve been practicing for a while, and we will be ready in spring for some first concerts, all the musicians are great except the rhythm guitarist. We’ll have to see what we’ll do with him. Gearlike, i’ve done just a few purchases since my last post, which is an american Fender Precision in Sunset Transparent Orange and a maple neck, an Ampeg V4-BH, an Ampeg SVT410HLF and an Ampeg SVT15E… The V4-BH ist a really great head, but it hasn’t got enough power for playnig metal, but it’s perfect for country. The SVT410HLF cab is tremendous. If i had to choose between a SVT410HLF and the SVT810E, i’d go for the smaller one, it’s sounds better and it’s more portable. The bass is on order as well as the SVT15E, which will be used with the V4-BH for country music. I’ll also go to the studio in mid january to record the bass part of "We’re from the country" and "Trail of tears", it’ll be my first time in the studio. BTW, i wish you a happy new year, so i’ll hear from you guys soon.
I was wondering about you the other day. Good to see you’re doing fine. Congrats on everything Phillippe. (hope I spelled that right). — -rob Slidell, LA O> /() ^^
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello everyone, > I didn’t post for a while, so some of you might not know me or forget > about me in he meantime… Well, life’s like that. Anyway, i just wanted > to give you a little update about what’s happening in my life. > Last year, i have played, with the country band, about 20 gigs, which were > all really great except one. We’re looking forward to some fantastic gigs > this year, like the a gig at the Luxemburg’s Honda Goldwing Club Meeting. > We’re already booked for 10 gigs, which is until september. > I also joined a cover band, we’ve been practicing for a while, and we will > be ready in spring for some first concerts, all the musicians are great > except the rhythm guitarist. We’ll have to see what we’ll do with him. > Gearlike, i’ve done just a few purchases since my last post, which is an > american Fender Precision in Sunset Transparent Orange and a maple neck, > an Ampeg V4-BH, an Ampeg SVT410HLF and an Ampeg SVT15E… > The V4-BH ist a really great head, but it hasn’t got enough power for > playnig metal, but it’s perfect for country. The SVT410HLF cab is > tremendous. If i had to choose between a SVT410HLF and the SVT810E, i’d go > for the smaller one, it’s sounds better and it’s more portable. > The bass is on order as well as the SVT15E, which will be used with the > V4-BH for country music. > I’ll also go to the studio in mid january to record the bass part of > "We’re from the country" and "Trail of tears", it’ll be my first time in > the studio. > BTW, i wish you a happy new year, so i’ll hear from you guys soon.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > > Ozzy and family donated over $100,000, read on from Mitches site. > > > > LIAR > > > TWAT > > EAT ME > BLOW MY MEAT > Spit it out bitch
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Even Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck are better singers, so shoot Ozzy to Mars and buy yourself some Disney CDs.
> Even Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck are better singers, so shoot Ozzy to > Mars and buy yourself some Disney CDs.
So nice to see someone posting who knows his music (<>..<>) XiR
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Rage Redux to Play Ozzfest "The Osbournes" announce acts, dates for 2002 Ozzfest All aboard! ADVERTISEMENT The new band featuring former Soundgarden frontman Chris Cornell and Rage Against the Machine’s Tom Morello, Tim Commerford and Brad Wilk will be a main stage performer at this year’s Ozzfest, which launches on July 6th in Bristow, Virginia. Dates and acts for the 2002 Ozzfest were announced today by Ozzy Osbourne, his family (wife/manager Sharon, son Jack and daughter Kelly) and World Wrestling Federation champion Triple H at a press conference held at the WWF restaurant in New York City’s Times Square. The WWF will be the principal sponsor of this year’s Ozzfest, with wrestlers running a signing booth at the tour’s stops, while Ozzfest performers will also make appearances at WWF events. "If you’ve ever been to a WWF show, you know we always over-deliver, and if you’ve ever been to an Ozzfest show, they always over-deliver," Triple H said. "I can guarantee you this, if you’ve been to Ozzfest in the past and thought it was great, just wait until the WWF is a part of it. Because this is a marriage made in hell." As for the music, Osbourne will headline the main stage, following the new Rage ensemble, System of a Down, P.O.D., Drowning Pool, Adema and Zakk Wylde’s Black Label Society. Rob Zombie, who toured with Osbourne last fall, will headline the second stage. "Rob wanted to go with a stripped down show — he’s not taking the bells and whistles," Sharon Osbourne said. "It’s all about the music for him on this tour, and I think a lot of people are going to be surprised." Meshuggah, Apex Theory, Lost Prophets, Pulse Ultra, Neurotica, Flaw, Mushroomhead, 3rd Strike, Otep, Seether, Glassjaw, Used, Soil, Ill Nino and Chevelle are among the other acts that will perform on the second and third stages. It wasn’t so much Ozzy, but rather his tele-famous family that tended to be the focus of the conference. "My part of it is zero," he said of the band selection process. "Sharon and my son go through all of it. I don’t know what’s current, I’m too busy working on my own recording." "We’ve always been known to give new bands a stage and forum for their music," Sharon said of the second and third stage acts. "Look at Incubus, System of a Down, Godsmack. The list goes on and on, so we feel very honored that we have the opportunity to give these bands a stage and such a huge crowd to play in front of. You take a band like Drowning Pool, the first part of the Ozzfest last year, they didn’t even have a record out. They were on the third stage last year and played for twenty minutes. Now for the kids to see them on the main stage, playing forty-five minutes, you have growth. I think kids like to see that growth because they’ve helped to make those bands." Sharon also hinted that the presence of System and the Rage remnants might result in a more socially conscious metal festival vibe. "There’s going to be several new booths this year, apart from the WWF booths," she said. "There’s going to be one that deals with world situations that are going on right now, very political events. System of a Down have done that with Tom Morello and Chris Cornell. They will be giving information to the kids on world politics and other major issues that affect the kids of today." Ozzy did take a minute to address his family’s hit reality sitcom, The Osbournes. "I know all about the music industry, I don’t know anything about television, so it’s got me totally baffled," he said. "I’m walking down the street the other day and some people who wouldn’t normally stop me, and I’ve been on tour in Canada, so I’ve been blind to the response, and they stop me in the streets. In fact, an ambulance driving by said, [in loudspeaker voice] ‘Ozzy, good show man!’ and I’m kind of flipping out." Ozzfest tour dates: 7/6: Bristow, VA, Nissan Pavilion 7/7: Pittsburgh, Post-Gazette Pavilion 7/10: New York, Jones Beach 7/12: Camden, NJ, Tweeter Center 7/13: Hartford, CT, CDNow.com Amphitheater 7/16: Boston, Tweeter Center 7/19: Holmdel, NJ, PNC Center 7/24: Raleigh, NC, Alltel Pavilion 7/26: West Palm Beach, FL, Mars Music Amphitheater 7/28: Atlanta, Hi-Fi Buys Amphitheater 8/3: Columbus, OH, Polaris Amphitheater 8/4: Indianapolis, Verizon Amphitheater 8/10: Chicago, Tweeter Center 8/11: East Troy, WI, Alpine Valley 8/13: Cleveland, Blossom Music Center 8/15: Cincinnati, Riverbend Amphitheater 8/17: Somerset, WI, Float-Rite Park 8/19: St. Louis, Riverport Amphitheater 8/20: Kansas City, Sandstone Amphitheater 8/22: Denver, Pepsi City Lights 8/25: Sacramento, CA, Sacramento Valley Amphitheater 8/27: George, WA, The Gorge 8/29: Mountain View, CA, Shoreline Amphitheater 8/31: San Bernardino, CA, Glen Helen Blockbuster Pavilion 9/5: Phoenix, Cricket Pavilion 9/7: San Antonio, Verizon Wireless Amphitheater 9/8: Dallas, Smirnoff Amphitheater ANDREW DANSBY (March 21, 2002)
Ozzy Osbourne Returns Home After Accident Jan 16, 3:26 PM (ET) By The Associated Press NEW YORK (AP) – Ozzy Osbourne is back home after injuring himself in an all-terrain vehicle accident in England more than a month ago. His wife, Sharon Osbourne, told her talk-show audience during the episode she taped Thursday in Los Angeles that her husband had returned to their house in Beverly Hills, Calif., the previous night. "I am so happy he’s home I can’t begin to tell you, but my poor husband is in so much agony, still in so much pain, he couldn’t sleep all night and the one thing is … he’s got this metal rod … instead of a collarbone now," she said during "The Sharon Osbourne Show" airing Jan. 22. "I am just so happy that he’s home ’cause all the time I … felt so lonely, like I’ve lost something," she added. "You know that feeling when you know you’ve lost something and what is it? It’s like, ‘Oh, it’s my husband!’" The 55-year-old metal star stopped breathing twice and was in a coma for eight days after the Dec. 8 crash. He fractured his collarbone, eight ribs and a neck vertebra when the 600-pound vehicle he was riding flipped and landed on top of him at his estate in Buckinghamshire, southern England. He spent a week on a ventilator.
So why did u look pervert? u know u are a fucking fag queen George;)2004 (<>..<>) XiR
So why did u look pervert? u know u are a fucking fag queen George;)2004 (<>..<>) XiR
So why did u look pervert? u know u are a fucking fag queen George;)2004 (<>..<>) XiR