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> Jazz, on the other hand, is a highly developed musical style that is best > not attempted by amateurs.
Then how are people supposed to learn it?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Both jazz and rock evolved from the blues but evolved in different ways. > Um… are you sure? Blues and rock evolved from Jazz. > It would perhaps be more correct to say that blues and jazz had their > beginnings at the same time – late 19th and early 20th centuries, but blues > became more developed more quickly, existing in a form we’d recognize as > blues quite a while before anything we’d recognize as jazz. > As for rock, I think it more fair to call it an offshoot of both jazz and > blues.
It seems to me that rock was more a fusion of blues and country western back in the early 50’s. That’s the way I recall it anyway. –gary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Marc Sabatella > Check out my latest CD, "Falling Grace" > Also "A Jazz Improvisation Primer", Sounds, Scores, & More: > http://www.outsideshore.com/
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>Rock is what rock musicians play. Jazz is what jazz musicians play. > So we’ll get Ozzy Osbourne to cover everything Louis Armstrong did, KISS can > cover Duke Ellington’s output, Lyrnyrd Skynyrd can do Dave Brubeck, etc., and > those will be rock songs ’cause it’s rock musicians playing ‘em. > Hmmm…something just doesn’t seem right here…
Could Duke have played King Crimson or even Rush? Don’t think so. It’s apples and oranges all the way. -JC
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This stuff sucks! Go take a jazz, pop appreciation class at a junior college. You know it alls will learn something. was —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hey jarl? > still waiting for that blow job? > f > Virtually anyone who is familiar with 20th Century popular music can > listen to jazz music or a rock music and identify it as such. But what > essential ingredients does a piece of music has to have for it to be > classified as jazz or be classified as rock? Both jazz and rock > evolved from the blues but evolved in different ways. What aspects > of this evolution make a piece of music sound like Jazz? What > aspects of that evolution make a piece of music sound like Rock? > What about hybrids like Fusion. What aspects of Jazz and Rock > do they have to combine to make them be considered such? > Jarl Sigurd > to listen to my unique brand of heavy metal/jazz/shred fusion > visit: http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098
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> >Rock is what rock musicians play. Jazz is what jazz musicians play. > So we’ll get Ozzy Osbourne to cover everything Louis Armstrong did, KISS can > cover Duke Ellington’s output, Lyrnyrd Skynyrd can do Dave Brubeck, etc., and > those will be rock songs ’cause it’s rock musicians playing ‘em.
Those covers won’t change the nature of the songs themselves, but I think it a safe bet that if Ozzy Osbourne did a cover of a Louis Armstrong tune, it would be rock, not jazz, just as when jazz musicians have covered the occassional rock tune, it usually comes off as jazz. Marc Sabatella Check out my latest CD, "Falling Grace" Also "A Jazz Improvisation Primer", Sounds, Scores, & More: http://www.outsideshore.com/
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It’s all calculated by the size of your hair and the faces you make.
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Rock evolved out of the desire of teenagers to have fun music that they could dance and party to. As the fame factor kicked in and the incredible amount of money that could be made as a music star become self-evident, rock musicians became focused on stardom, which led to an ever-increasing display of outrage and sensationalism. Jazz originated as dancing/party music, but by the time of the be-boppers (1940’s), jazz musicians had made the irrevokable choice to pursue intellectual and artistic fulfullment instead of simply playing whatever made their audiences happy. Think about this – the "rock and roll fantasy" is that any kid with a desire to be famous can buy a used guitar, learn three chords, and be a star. Partying, groupies, and lots of money equal stardom. Now, I’m not saying that rock musicians don’t practice, don’t pay their dues, or don’t care what they sound like. There are certainly some fine musicians who play rock – Eric Clapton and Carlos Santana come to mind. But I think that the primary motivation for rock musicians is to become "rock stars". Jazz, on the other hand, is a highly developed musical style that is best not attempted by amateurs. The desire to become a really good jazz musician is achieved only by many years of concentrated study with a mentor/teacher, endless practice, and the realization that their efforts will be judged by listeners who pay attention only to what they play, not their clothes, hair, or their latest music video. I believe that if you asked jazz and rock musicians what made them choose music, these would be the honest answers that they would give. Mike PS – A few more thoughts: Rock musicians don’t swing. It’s a style thing that takes a lot of work, and was never added to rock music. No, the "shuffle" doesn’t count. Another interesting difference is the approach to the standard repertory. Ask any rock guitarist to play "Stairway To Heaven" and he probably will be able to play it note-for-note, beginning to end. But his band would never NEVER play "Stairway To Heaven" at a gig, and he would never be caught dead using any of Jimmy Page’s phrases in a solo. Rock musicians are totally hung up on playing only their own songs, and are obsessed with playing "something different" each time they solo. To play in a "cover band" is considered the worst form of torture to a rock musician. Jazz players, on the other hand, have a standard repertory of tunes like "All Blues", "What Is This Thing Called Love", "Cherokee", "Autumn Leaves", "I Got Rhythm", "Sweet Georgia Brown", etc., which they play routinely at jam sessions and on gigs. They also enjoy "quoting" – inserting bits of classic jazz solos or phrases from song melodies in their playing.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Virtually anyone who is familiar with 20th Century popular music can > listen to jazz music or a rock music and identify it as such. But what > essential ingredients does a piece of music has to have for it to be > classified as jazz or be classified as rock? Both jazz and rock > evolved from the blues but evolved in different ways. What aspects > of this evolution make a piece of music sound like Jazz? What > aspects of that evolution make a piece of music sound like Rock? > What about hybrids like Fusion. What aspects of Jazz and Rock > do they have to combine to make them be considered such? > Jarl Sigurd > to listen to my unique brand of heavy metal/jazz/shred fusion > visit: http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098
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> : What essential ingredients does a piece of music has to have for it to be > : classified as jazz or be classified as rock? > Rock is what rock musicians play. Jazz is what jazz musicians play. > Think about it.
Makes a lot more sense than all of the half-baked, and erronious, versions of what evolved out of what that I’ve read so far. nsmf
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hey jarl? still waiting for that blow job? f
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Virtually anyone who is familiar with 20th Century popular music can > listen to jazz music or a rock music and identify it as such. But what > essential ingredients does a piece of music has to have for it to be > classified as jazz or be classified as rock? Both jazz and rock > evolved from the blues but evolved in different ways. What aspects > of this evolution make a piece of music sound like Jazz? What > aspects of that evolution make a piece of music sound like Rock? > What about hybrids like Fusion. What aspects of Jazz and Rock > do they have to combine to make them be considered such? > Jarl Sigurd > to listen to my unique brand of heavy metal/jazz/shred fusion > visit: http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098
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Wes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Anybody here remember that goofball that had the big thing about Jeri Ryan? > Posted here continuously, must have been about a year ago, until the > authorities were able to sedate him and take him back to his padded room. > Oh yeah! I just remembered — it was Omar Estacio. I thought he was pretty > funny, too. > Virtually anyone who is familiar with 20th Century popular music can > listen to jazz music or a rock music and identify it as such. But what > essential ingredients does a piece of music has to have for it to be > classified as jazz or be classified as rock? Both jazz and rock > evolved from the blues but evolved in different ways. What aspects > of this evolution make a piece of music sound like Jazz? What > aspects of that evolution make a piece of music sound like Rock? > What about hybrids like Fusion. What aspects of Jazz and Rock > do they have to combine to make them be considered such? > Jarl Sigurd > to listen to my unique brand of heavy metal/jazz/shred fusion > visit: http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098
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: What essential ingredients does a piece of music has to have for it to be : classified as jazz or be classified as rock? Rock is what rock musicians play. Jazz is what jazz musicians play. Think about it. — Marcel-Franck Simon Hewlett Packard "Papa Loko, ou se’ van, wa pouse’-n ale’ Florham Park, NJ the rmb troll faq is at http://liquid2k.net/rmbtroll. spread the word!
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>Blues is American, nothing else. It was developed mostly by >Americans who happened to be black.
Well, they also happened to be from Africa. And that implies not only color of skin, but also culture – you know: music and traditions and all that 
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> Why? He had a Steinberger trumpet according to his autobiography. The only > problem was getting accustomed to a trumpet without a mouthpiece.
That would be a Steiner trumpet (officially, a Steiner EVI.) Vide http://members.aol.com/Patchman1/Nyle_Steiner_Homepage.html — Tom Duff. Nature loves to hide itself.
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>Rock is what rock musicians play. Jazz is what jazz musicians play.
So we’ll get Ozzy Osbourne to cover everything Louis Armstrong did, KISS can cover Duke Ellington’s output, Lyrnyrd Skynyrd can do Dave Brubeck, etc., and those will be rock songs ’cause it’s rock musicians playing ‘em. Hmmm…something just doesn’t seem right here… Robert McKay These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise
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nn1.netcom.ca>: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Virtually anyone who is familiar with 20th Century popular music can >listen to jazz music or a rock music and identify it as such. But what >essential ingredients does a piece of music has to have for it to be >classified as jazz or be classified as rock? Both jazz and rock >evolved from the blues but evolved in different ways. What aspects >of this evolution make a piece of music sound like Jazz? What >aspects of that evolution make a piece of music sound like Rock? >What about hybrids like Fusion. What aspects of Jazz and Rock >do they have to combine to make them be considered such? >Jarl Sigurd >to listen to my unique brand of heavy metal/jazz/shred fusion >visit: http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098
"bitches brew" fukked jazz about 30 years ago. there is no more jazz, and whatever heavy meat does with jaaaazzzz is just quoting showtunes. the word "jazz" originally meant "fuck". this metal stuff isn’t fuck, it’s just pissing. mike
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I don’t think so. It seems like Blues came from Africa and were evolved and divided into: – Rock’n'Roll (Basically Black music played faster by White musicians) – Swing, Fox, Big Bands and Jazz. It seems like having a horn section is what helps you defining in what family certain music belongs to. ( Mainly some decade ago. Today this hint is no longer valid). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Both jazz and rock evolved from the blues but evolved in different ways. >Um… are you sure? Blues and rock evolved from Jazz. >Kabillion
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> Both jazz and rock evolved from the blues but evolved in different ways. > Um… are you sure? Blues and rock evolved from Jazz.
It would perhaps be more correct to say that blues and jazz had their beginnings at the same time – late 19th and early 20th centuries, but blues became more developed more quickly, existing in a form we’d recognize as blues quite a while before anything we’d recognize as jazz. As for rock, I think it more fair to call it an offshoot of both jazz and blues. Marc Sabatella Check out my latest CD, "Falling Grace" Also "A Jazz Improvisation Primer", Sounds, Scores, & More: http://www.outsideshore.com/
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> I don’t think so. > It seems like Blues came from Africa and were evolved and divided > into:
Blues is American, nothing else. It was developed mostly by Americans who happened to be black. Jazz and rock evolved from blues.. the jazz guys filled in the holes left by most blues structures. I have said that the jazz guys kept learning where the blues guys stopped. A generality, yes, but the jazz guys I play with like it when I tell’em that.
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I was under the impression that they developed as contemporaries (sp?) more or less. You can make the argument that jazz developed out of ragtime, which actually developed out of the native music of slaves brought to new orleans. I forget the composers name, but he incorporated some of the ideas he heard, and scott joplin later expanded that. Later, guys like Jelly Roll Morton developed this even more into dixieland, which lead to dance music/swing, which led to bop etc etc… That’s the impression I had, so I guess rock + jazz are related to the point that they became popular music of their times, and rock definitely owes a lot of forms to both jazz and blues. Shit i lost my point in there somewhere… pete
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Virtually anyone who is familiar with 20th Century popular music can > listen to jazz music or a rock music and identify it as such. But what > essential ingredients does a piece of music has to have for it to be > classified as jazz or be classified as rock? Both jazz and rock > evolved from the blues but evolved in different ways. What aspects > of this evolution make a piece of music sound like Jazz? What > aspects of that evolution make a piece of music sound like Rock? > What about hybrids like Fusion. What aspects of Jazz and Rock > do they have to combine to make them be considered such? > Jarl Sigurd > to listen to my unique brand of heavy metal/jazz/shred fusion > visit: http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098
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I remember Omar… what a goof! I also remember something else. "Songs about Trains." — -rob O> /() ^^ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Anybody here remember that goofball that had the big thing about Jeri Ryan? > Posted here continuously, must have been about a year ago, until the > authorities were able to sedate him and take him back to his padded room. > Oh yeah! I just remembered — it was Omar Estacio. I thought he was pretty > funny, too. > Virtually anyone who is familiar with 20th Century popular music can > listen to jazz music or a rock music and identify it as such. But what > essential ingredients does a piece of music has to have for it to be > classified as jazz or be classified as rock? Both jazz and rock > evolved from the blues but evolved in different ways. What aspects > of this evolution make a piece of music sound like Jazz? What > aspects of that evolution make a piece of music sound like Rock? > What about hybrids like Fusion. What aspects of Jazz and Rock > do they have to combine to make them be considered such? > Jarl Sigurd > to listen to my unique brand of heavy metal/jazz/shred fusion > visit: http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098
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Virtually anyone who is familiar with 20th Century popular music can listen to jazz music or a rock music and identify it as such. But what essential ingredients does a piece of music has to have for it to be classified as jazz or be classified as rock? Both jazz and rock evolved from the blues but evolved in different ways. What aspects of this evolution make a piece of music sound like Jazz? What aspects of that evolution make a piece of music sound like Rock? What about hybrids like Fusion. What aspects of Jazz and Rock do they have to combine to make them be considered such? Jarl Sigurd to listen to my unique brand of heavy metal/jazz/shred fusion visit: http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098
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Both jazz and rock evolved from the blues but evolved in different ways. Um… are you sure? Blues and rock evolved from Jazz. Kabillion
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All instrumentation must be performed using a Steinberger, even the drums, in order for the song to be considered a jazz song or a rock song. — Bud LeCompte
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Virtually anyone who is familiar with 20th Century popular music can > listen to jazz music or a rock music and identify it as such. But what > essential ingredients does a piece of music has to have for it to be > classified as jazz or be classified as rock? Both jazz and rock > evolved from the blues but evolved in different ways. What aspects > of this evolution make a piece of music sound like Jazz? What > aspects of that evolution make a piece of music sound like Rock? > What about hybrids like Fusion. What aspects of Jazz and Rock > do they have to combine to make them be considered such? > Jarl Sigurd > to listen to my unique brand of heavy metal/jazz/shred fusion > visit: http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098
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:All instrumentation must be performed using a Steinberger, even the drums, :in order for the song to be considered a jazz song or a rock song. Damn! How many Miles CDs do I have to dump? bk
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Anybody here remember that goofball that had the big thing about Jeri Ryan? Posted here continuously, must have been about a year ago, until the authorities were able to sedate him and take him back to his padded room. Oh yeah! I just remembered — it was Omar Estacio. I thought he was pretty funny, too.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Virtually anyone who is familiar with 20th Century popular music can > listen to jazz music or a rock music and identify it as such. But what > essential ingredients does a piece of music has to have for it to be > classified as jazz or be classified as rock? Both jazz and rock > evolved from the blues but evolved in different ways. What aspects > of this evolution make a piece of music sound like Jazz? What > aspects of that evolution make a piece of music sound like Rock? > What about hybrids like Fusion. What aspects of Jazz and Rock > do they have to combine to make them be considered such? > Jarl Sigurd > to listen to my unique brand of heavy metal/jazz/shred fusion > visit: http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098