> gotta love music-related christmas presents; > Jamiroquai live in Verona DVD
How is the Jamiroquai DVD? It must be fairly new because I wasn’t aware they had one out! I’ve never had a chance to see them because they never come to the US. I went to the dark side and got a mandolin for Christmas. >:) Jordan
jamiroquai dvd is good. JK spends all the show out in the rain slipping and sliding, he’s pretty good but then again – he always is… as far as shots of the band, it’s not that good, camera focusses on vocals very much so with very little on the band. Sam
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> gotta love music-related christmas presents; > Jamiroquai live in Verona DVD > How is the Jamiroquai DVD? It must be fairly new because I wasn’t aware > they had one out! > I’ve never had a chance to see them because they never come to the US. > I went to the dark side and got a mandolin for Christmas. >:) > Jordan
A lot of people think Jamiroquai is Jay. I mention the band and they say, "yeah, he’s good." Jordan
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> jamiroquai dvd is good. JK spends all the show out in the rain slipping and > sliding, he’s pretty good but then again – he always is… > as far as shots of the band, it’s not that good, camera focusses on vocals > very much so with very little on the band. > Sam > > gotta love music-related christmas presents; > > Jamiroquai live in Verona DVD > How is the Jamiroquai DVD? It must be fairly new because I wasn’t aware > they had one out! > I’ve never had a chance to see them because they never come to the US. > I went to the dark side and got a mandolin for Christmas. >:) > Jordan
gotta love music-related christmas presents; Jamiroquai live in Verona DVD Symphony + Metallica live DVD New Computer speakers (been on my laptop exclusively for the last year….laptop speakers suck. i love these…got bass and got volume 
) cd wallet bass player (upright) figurine/statue thingy tickets to see ‘the lion, the witch and the wardrobe’ on the third of january. It’s great! more to come on sunday i hope (my brother’s coming to visit and he’s a guitarist so chances are we think on similar wavelengths) — Sam www.wiredjazz.com —– Some say daydreamings for all those lazy-minded fools with nothing else to do… so let them laugh at us. —–
> bass player (upright) figurine/statue thingy
I got one of those last year. It’s like a Tiki doll kind of thing. I put Velcro on the bottom of him so he can stand on the top of my carpeted rack case. > tickets to see ‘the lion, the witch and the wardrobe’ on the third of > january.
Is this a play? I’d love to go see it. > It’s great! more to come on sunday i hope (my brother’s coming to visit and > he’s a guitarist so chances are we think on similar wavelengths)
My dad’s a guitarist and he alwaysy knows just what to get. Guitar polish, strings, new picks, etc. always find their way into my stocking.
> Symphony + Metallica live DVD
I’m not a metallica fan but that DVD really kicks ass. Multiple camera angles and all are very well done. — /" ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Todd H / | http://www.toddh.net/ X Promoting good netiquette | http://triplethreatband.com/ / http://www.toddh.net/netiquette/ | "4 lines suffice."
> I’m not a metallica fan but that DVD really kicks ass. Multiple > camera angles and all are very well done.
I’m not a diehard fan but i do listen to them so it seemed like the next step. you’re right about that tho multiple camera angles multiple audio options (5.1 band + orchestra, 2.0 band + orchestra, 2.0 just band, 2.0 just orchestra) Sam
> Is this a play? I’d love to go see it.
that it is: http://sydney.citysearch.com.au/profile?id=27659 sam
I just got SITSOM, the US only DVD version with all the bonus stuff, so I’m happy. Ian
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> gotta love music-related christmas presents; > Jamiroquai live in Verona DVD > Symphony + Metallica live DVD > New Computer speakers (been on my laptop exclusively for the last > year….laptop speakers suck. i love these…got bass and got volume ) > cd wallet > bass player (upright) figurine/statue thingy > tickets to see ‘the lion, the witch and the wardrobe’ on the third of > january. > It’s great! more to come on sunday i hope (my brother’s coming to visit and > he’s a guitarist so chances are we think on similar wavelengths) > — > Sam > www.wiredjazz.com > —– > Some say daydreamings for all those lazy-minded fools > with nothing else to do… > so let them laugh at us. > —–
> Hi, Firstly I would like to thank everyone who has replied to my other posts > in this NG. Great to see a NG that does actually try and help you out > instead of raving on with crap. Anyway, I am just starting off learning the > guitar. I am currently learning the G, A and D chords. I was wondering if > anyone knew of a website that showed some songs that were played using only > these chords. I am getting a little tired of Amazing Grace. I have had a > little bit of a look around but most songs have other chords as well that I > haven’t dealt with yet. There probably aren’t many songs that only have > these 3 chords but I thought I would ask anyway. Thanks everyone.
I don’t know your musical tastes, but the Social Distortion song "Ball and Chain" uses these chords – and these chords only – in a basic, constant pattern. It’s also fairly slow and played redundantly with both power chords and open chords. If you’ve never heard it, the chord pattern is D, A, G, D repeated continuously throughout the song, and I highly recommend checking it out as it’s a pretty easy song to play if you’re working with/know D, A, and G.
dammit, I didn’t read far enough down… heh heh
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ball and Chain by Social Distortion is just D-A-G > Rich
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, Firstly I would like to thank everyone who has replied to my other >posts > in this NG. Great to see a NG that does actually try and help you out > instead of raving on with crap. Anyway, I am just starting off learning >the > guitar. I am currently learning the G, A and D chords. I was wondering if > anyone knew of a website that showed some songs that were played using >only > these chords. I am getting a little tired of Amazing Grace. I have had a > little bit of a look around but most songs have other chords as well that >I > haven’t dealt with yet. There probably aren’t many songs that only have > these 3 chords but I thought I would ask anyway. Thanks everyone. >I don’t know your musical tastes, but the Social Distortion song "Ball and >Chain" uses these chords – and these chords only – in a basic, constant >pattern. It’s also fairly slow and played redundantly with both power >chords and open chords. If you’ve never heard it, the chord pattern is D, >A, G, D repeated continuously throughout the song, and I highly recommend >checking it out as it’s a pretty easy song to play if you’re working >with/know D, A, and G.
Theres plenty of resources on the web, just do a Google search, my taste in usic leans toward www.roughstock.com/cowpie Bear in mind that it is pretty easy to transpose other 3 chord songs into D,G,A just follow the alphabet and step each chord up or down the same amount of letters (ie down one from CFG or up one from EAB) hope I explained that understandably. Eric
OK, http://www.guitartabs.cc/index.php has tabs for most everything and just pick what you know well, and like. Dust in the wind looks hard, in a tab, but its basically just C and Am (you add and lift a finger in alternate. its like C (032010 032000 032010 032030 repeat. and then its like 002210 002200 002210 002230 repeat. See your index goes up for a measure, then your pinkie comes down. If you look at the tab, you’ll see how complex it is explained by note name ) A song like this really challenges you to learn the other chords also, which didn’t turn out to be that hard. Then you know more chords (Like D/F# sounds tricky. Its just a D with your ring finger on the E string (the big one ) second fret. I play my D with a first finger bar. Other Chords in the song are relatively easy. That is, if you’re a Kansas fan. Another great band with EASY chording, is the Eagles. I learned almost ever Eagles song the first year. They’re tight. But basically, I don’t know it you like these bands. I’d pretty much go with songs you know. Learn tabs, too, which means learn the note names, and where to get tabs from. Another great resource is http:///www.chordfind.com It lists a lot of hard to find Slash chords (like D/F#) Took me two years to realize the / is the higher ending note, not the lower.) Another great tool, I couldn’t have learned with was http:///coolfreesoftware.com ’s Chords V1.1 It outputs chords into .BMP files, and you can make wallpapers to assist you. I made a nifty one of "lonesome" cause at the tmie I couldn’t play and sing. I just made it similar to the bouncing ball technique (remember that?). Anyway you could effectively do the same thing with ANY song. Takes a while, but once their on your desktop (that’s where I put mine) you can practice, and readily take a break (I.E. not throw the guitar) to chat with real people. I’m not that good yet, but I really like the style I’m evolving (I started playing in 2001, March, dreaming of meating LeAnn Rimes. Now I just wanna meet her) Anyway, here’s a link to my originals http://s88797115.onlinehome.us/music.html Like I said, it takes practice. I probably have 3000 + hours on a guitar. But seriously, its only 2 hours a day. Well check that. since October, its all I do. I play ten hours a day if I’m so inclined. I’ve probably played 600 hours since 10-03 Remember, put your heart into it, and get the job done. I’ll pray you won’t be taken. Anopther good piece of advice is learn to play with other people soon. Sooner the better. sorry to be so long winded. Lots of luck Dale A Schwarz (Metallica calls me St. Anger!)
Play the Beatles! Come Together (truthfully it’s Dm7, G7, A but you can get away with D, A, & G) Get Back Twist And Shout Thank You Girl Why Don’t We Do It In The Road There are a slew of other tunes that you can come close to playing if you just leave out a chord or two such as "She Came In Through The Bathroom Window" which is all D, A, & G except for a few F#m’s which you can stay on the A through and C which you would have to muddle through. When I first started off this is exactly what I did and I must say it was a great incentive to learn more chords. But in the meantime it was a lot of fun. My suggestion to you is go out and buy a book of a band you really like or you could even go with a generic rock or country book (whatever you prefer). Even if you can’t play almost all of the songs you’ll be able to before you know it and in the meantime you can skip through chords you don’t know.
Thanks guys. Once again, plenty of very helpful answers. I am just trying to master these three before moving onto any more chords. I don’t really want to be pretty average at all the chords. I would rather learn them step by step and become better than average at all of them down the track. Thanks again guys.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Play the Beatles! > Come Together (truthfully it’s Dm7, G7, A but you can get away with D, A, & > G) > Get Back > Twist And Shout > Thank You Girl > Why Don’t We Do It In The Road > There are a slew of other tunes that you can come close to playing if you > just leave out a chord or two such as "She Came In Through The Bathroom > Window" which is all D, A, & G except for a few F#m’s which you can stay on > the A through and C which you would have to muddle through. When I first > started off this is exactly what I did and I must say it was a great > incentive to learn more chords. But in the meantime it was a lot of fun. > My suggestion to you is go out and buy a book of a band you really like or > you could even go with a generic rock or country book (whatever you prefer). > Even if you can’t play almost all of the songs you’ll be able to before you > know it and in the meantime you can skip through chords you don’t know.
the golden rules/steps to learning guitar: 1. learn all the creadence clearwater revival songs 2. learn chuck berry’s rhythm-lead style 3. learn all the beatles songs 4. listen to everything… don’t be one dimensional, you miss out on too much good stuff 5. most important learn open G and play like keef (aka… GOD…) to actually answer your question: bad moon rising – creadence authority song – mellencamp burning love – elvis (add elvis to rule/step No 3) you might think – cars cheers – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, Firstly I would like to thank everyone who has replied to my other posts > in this NG. Great to see a NG that does actually try and help you out > instead of raving on with crap. Anyway, I am just starting off learning the > guitar. I am currently learning the G, A and D chords. I was wondering if > anyone knew of a website that showed some songs that were played using only > these chords. I am getting a little tired of Amazing Grace. I have had a > little bit of a look around but most songs have other chords as well that I > haven’t dealt with yet. There probably aren’t many songs that only have > these 3 chords but I thought I would ask anyway. Thanks everyone.
Almost any blues song in the key of D. Pt
Seven Spanish Angels , Willie Nelson A Man of constant sorrow, Traditional Kaw-Liga, Hank Williams Sr. < Aminor and D minor thrown in> The good stuff, Kenny Chesnee The one I loved back then , George Jones The best thing I can tell you is to go to a web site that has the style of music you want to play and check out what songs fit your criteria. I must add that it would be helpful to go ahead and learn C,F,E,B chords along with their minors and sevens. Then the sky is the limit. Puff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, Firstly I would like to thank everyone who has replied to my other posts > in this NG. Great to see a NG that does actually try and help you out > instead of raving on with crap. Anyway, I am just starting off learning the > guitar. I am currently learning the G, A and D chords. I was wondering if > anyone knew of a website that showed some songs that were played using only > these chords. I am getting a little tired of Amazing Grace. I have had a > little bit of a look around but most songs have other chords as well that I > haven’t dealt with yet. There probably aren’t many songs that only have > these 3 chords but I thought I would ask anyway. Thanks everyone.
Off-hand, Margaritaville by Jimmy Buffet uses those 3 chords. I think there’s also an Asus but you can get by with G,A, and D. Another good tune is Southern Cross by CS&N. This also uses G,A,D. Forgive me, I’m tryin to pull these off the top of my head…. If yo like country, Willie Nelsons, Poncho & Lefty uses G,A & D with a Bm thrown in. It’s a very easy song to learn. — sincerely, Russell – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, Firstly I would like to thank everyone who has replied to my other posts > in this NG. Great to see a NG that does actually try and help you out > instead of raving on with crap. Anyway, I am just starting off learning the > guitar. I am currently learning the G, A and D chords. I was wondering if > anyone knew of a website that showed some songs that were played using only > these chords. I am getting a little tired of Amazing Grace. I have had a > little bit of a look around but most songs have other chords as well that I > haven’t dealt with yet. There probably aren’t many songs that only have > these 3 chords but I thought I would ask anyway. Thanks everyone.
Bad Moon Rising by CCR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, Firstly I would like to thank everyone who has replied to my other posts > in this NG. Great to see a NG that does actually try and help you out > instead of raving on with crap. Anyway, I am just starting off learning the > guitar. I am currently learning the G, A and D chords. I was wondering if > anyone knew of a website that showed some songs that were played using only > these chords. I am getting a little tired of Amazing Grace. I have had a > little bit of a look around but most songs have other chords as well that I > haven’t dealt with yet. There probably aren’t many songs that only have > these 3 chords but I thought I would ask anyway. Thanks everyone.
Ball and Chain by Social Distortion is just D-A-G Rich
I don’t know if these are just G,A,D, but they helped me in the beginning Sheli http://www.guitarnoise.com/easy.php http://guitar.about.com/library/bleasysongs60s.htm?PM=ss15_guitar – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi, Firstly I would like to thank everyone who has replied to my other posts > in this NG. Great to see a NG that does actually try and help you out > instead of raving on with crap. Anyway, I am just starting off learning the > guitar. I am currently learning the G, A and D chords. I was wondering if > anyone knew of a website that showed some songs that were played using only > these chords. I am getting a little tired of Amazing Grace. I have had a > little bit of a look around but most songs have other chords as well that I > haven’t dealt with yet. There probably aren’t many songs that only have > these 3 chords but I thought I would ask anyway. Thanks everyone.
> Hi, Firstly I would like to thank everyone who has replied to my other > posts in this NG. Great to see a NG that does actually try and help you > out instead of raving on with crap. Anyway, I am just starting off > learning the guitar. I am currently learning the G, A and D chords. I > was wondering if anyone knew of a website that showed some songs that > were played using only these chords. I am getting a little tired of > Amazing Grace. I have had a little bit of a look around but most songs > have other chords as well that I haven’t dealt with yet. There probably > aren’t many songs that only have these 3 chords but I thought I would > ask anyway. Thanks everyone.
Try Here. There might be some other chords, but they will be diagramed for you. http://www.guitarnoise.com/easy.php Larry — HareBall ThunderSnake #52 67 Galaxie 2 door, 390, C6
> Hi, Firstly I would like to thank everyone who has replied to my other posts > in this NG. Great to see a NG that does actually try and help you out > instead of raving on with crap. Anyway, I am just starting off learning the > guitar. I am currently learning the G, A and D chords. I was wondering if > anyone knew of a website that showed some songs that were played using only > these chords. I am getting a little tired of Amazing Grace. I have had a > little bit of a look around but most songs have other chords as well that I > haven’t dealt with yet. There probably aren’t many songs that only have > these 3 chords but I thought I would ask anyway. Thanks everyone.
Ted: There are *thousands* of songs can can be played with those three chords. Since it "tis the season", try "Silent Night" – in the key of G it uses those three chords only (in a basic arrangement). Once you get a feel for where chords go in songs, you’ll see just how many of them use only three or four chords. The Old Guy —-== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups —= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers – Total Privacy via Encryption =—
Hi, Firstly I would like to thank everyone who has replied to my other posts in this NG. Great to see a NG that does actually try and help you out instead of raving on with crap. Anyway, I am just starting off learning the guitar. I am currently learning the G, A and D chords. I was wondering if anyone knew of a website that showed some songs that were played using only these chords. I am getting a little tired of Amazing Grace. I have had a little bit of a look around but most songs have other chords as well that I haven’t dealt with yet. There probably aren’t many songs that only have these 3 chords but I thought I would ask anyway. Thanks everyone.
i was thinking that exact thought yesterday! Look out world. Bass face coming up! that’s the cool thing about digital. i’m going to be taking random shots of things! OT POSTS! woohoo! Oh well. off to face the world on the post-birthday day. HSC performances today (9! Stevie Ray Vaughn, Steve Vai, Metallica, Wes Montgomery, Dirty Lucy (Australian Pop), Rent (the musical), New York New York (Frankie), Herbie Hancock) and mine and another person’s on saturday (Dreamtheater and James Morrison). I’m a busy little bass player! Out to a jazz club tonight for dinner same on saturday Sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Uh-oh… > Going into competition with Dude, huh? > — > PLL’C
> also a mini OT woohoo:
http://www.sony.com.au/product_detail.asp?CCod=16298&CCod2=16712&Prod… Uh-oh… Going into competition with Dude, huh? — PLL’C
> Got a > http://www.sony.com.au/product_detail.asp?CCod=16298&CCod2=16712&Prod… > for my birthday – it’s coming so hopefully it’ll be here soon. lots of > bass/gig shots.
My roomate has that camera. It’s pretty cool r.
Thanks PLL’C. Yep. Time does fly. I’m still doing the same thing. playing bass. only now i do it a lot more and for money. Got a http://www.sony.com.au/product_detail.asp?CCod=16298&CCod2=16712&Prod… for my birthday – it’s coming so hopefully it’ll be here soon. lots of bass/gig shots. Should be fun Sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i’m officially (as of 8 minutes ago – my time) 18. > Oh, yay for you!! > Happy birthday blokey bloke. > Scarey – I can remember thinking how mature you were for a 15yo. > How time flies. > Have a good one > — > PLL’C
thanks rob
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i’m officially (as of 8 minutes ago – my time) 18. > Happy Day Mr. Sam!!!!! > -rob > (insert ascii penguin here)
Thanks Edward – well. my fingers are falling off. My Performance exam is saturday and i have 8 performances tomorrow (other people) so i spent my birthday rehearsing/soundchecking… dropped a mic stand on monday and jammed my index finger – so i had this huge blood blister thing for a day or so. healing now. music is fun! Sam
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Damn, that’s young. > You had better play that bass until your fingers fall off. Then and only > then have you had enough. > Happy Birthday and stuff. > Edward G. > — > "You don’t always get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you > get." –Don King > — > i’m officially (as of 8 minutes ago – my time) 18. > > what fun! and i have school today. off to bed…for 6 hours – sound checks > in the morning! > — > Sam > — > —– > Some say daydreamings for all those lazy-minded fools > with nothing else to do… > so let them laugh at us. > — > —–
>i’m officially (as of 8 minutes ago – my time) 18. >:) >what fun! and i have school today. off to bed…for 6 hours – sound checks >in the morning!
Happy Birthday! Eldred — "A voice from the crowd: Right, everyone out of my garden. I’ve had enough of this!" Homepage – http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank -2.4 N2k3 rank ?
also a mini OT woohoo: http://www.sony.com.au/product_detail.asp?CCod=16298&CCod2=16712&Prod… Sam
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i’m officially (as of 8 minutes ago – my time) 18. > > what fun! and i have school today. off to bed…for 6 hours – sound checks > in the morning! > — > Sam — > —– > Some say daydreamings for all those lazy-minded fools > with nothing else to do… > so let them laugh at us. — > —–
I would second that. Kirk
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> QOTW!!!!!! > > Birthdays just aren’t that fun 20 years later. > They’re certainly preferable to the alternative. > Joe S.
>> Birthdays just aren’t that fun 20 years later. >They’re certainly preferable to the alternative. >Joe S.
Excellent point.
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> i’m officially (as of 8 minutes ago – my time) 18.
Happy Day Mr. Sam!!!!! -rob (insert ascii penguin here)
> Birthdays just aren’t that fun 20 years later.
They’re certainly preferable to the alternative. Joe S.
QOTW!!!!!!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Birthdays just aren’t that fun 20 years later. > They’re certainly preferable to the alternative. > Joe S.
> i’m officially (as of 8 minutes ago – my time) 18.
Oh, yay for you!! Happy birthday blokey bloke. Scarey – I can remember thinking how mature you were for a 15yo. How time flies. Have a good one — PLL’C
>> i’m officially (as of 8 minutes ago – my time) 18. >Oh, yay for you!! >Happy birthday blokey bloke. >Scarey – I can remember thinking how mature you were for a 15yo. >How time flies. >Have a good one
What’s even scarier is that I can remember a similar joy upon turning 18. Birthdays just aren’t that fun 20 years later.
Damn, that’s young. You had better play that bass until your fingers fall off. Then and only then have you had enough. Happy Birthday and stuff. Edward G. — "You don’t always get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get." –Don King —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i’m officially (as of 8 minutes ago – my time) 18. > > what fun! and i have school today. off to bed…for 6 hours – sound checks > in the morning! > — > Sam — > —– > Some say daydreamings for all those lazy-minded fools > with nothing else to do… > so let them laugh at us. — > —–
i’m officially (as of 8 minutes ago – my time) 18. what fun! and i have school today. off to bed…for 6 hours – sound checks in the morning! — Sam —– Some say daydreamings for all those lazy-minded fools with nothing else to do… so let them laugh at us. —–
Rob, Thank you, I thought it was just me!!!! David dgb
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i’m a youngster and i know ONE of those songs. > Thank you! > Maybe 3… > — > O> > /() > ^^
Everyone likes this one: best gr
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi all, > da band (No name yet) is looking for songs to cover. Must be recent so that > it doesn’t stress the attention span or memories of the consumer group that > might just think that were playing iriginals if the music is more than a > year old…. Yes, it is fun though…. > Anyway, I was hoping that you could add a few "(S)Hits)" to my growing list: > Tatu: All the things she said. > Dido: Thank you > Matchbox 20: Bent > Blink 182: all the small things/first date > Goo Goo Dolls: Iris > Counting Crows: Mr Jones > REM: End of the world > Creed: My Sacrifice / Higher > Nickleback: Too Bad > Chad Kroeger feat Nickleback: Hero > U2: Beautiful day > Shakira: Objection > Thanks. > cb
Wheetus – Teenage Dirtbag Jamiroquai – Little L
i’m a youngster and i know ONE of those songs. Sam
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Not all of these are recent, but they are the ones the youngsters seem > to like/recognize in my set list > DaDa – Dim > Lit – My Own Worst Enemy > Fiona Apple – Criminal > Jimmy something or other – The Middle > Dishwalla – Counting Blue Cars > Sublime – Santoria > Romantics – What I Like About You >Hi all, >da band (No name yet) is looking for songs to cover. Must be recent so that >it doesn’t stress the attention span or memories of the consumer group that >might just think that were playing iriginals if the music is more than a >year old…. Yes, it is fun though…. >Anyway, I was hoping that you could add a few "(S)Hits)" to my growing list: >Tatu: All the things she said. >Dido: Thank you >Matchbox 20: Bent >Blink 182: all the small things/first date >Goo Goo Dolls: Iris >Counting Crows: Mr Jones >REM: End of the world >Creed: My Sacrifice / Higher >Nickleback: Too Bad >Chad Kroeger feat Nickleback: Hero >U2: Beautiful day >Shakira: Objection >Thanks. >cb > — > If a man among you holds no sin upon his hand, > then let him cast a stone at me for playing in the band. > http://www.bluepearlband.com
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> Romantics – What I Like About You >> Worst thing is, this is probably a song the teens consider an "oldie." > Well, it is over 20 years old… > To think that the set list that my party band from 20 years > ago had would now be considered "classic rock", and that’s > there’s bands playing right now that have the same set list. > Im just telling you the songs that seem to work with some of the younger > crowd in my area, this is one > of them…..
I agree, if you can’t get the crowd dancing with that song, there’s a problem (either with the crowd or the band). best gr
Take a look at my band’s setlist. It’s pretty lengthy, so maybe you could get some ideas off of it: http://www.theknownassociates.com/setlist.html Good luck! –Lee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi all, > da band (No name yet) is looking for songs to cover. Must be recent so that > it doesn’t stress the attention span or memories of the consumer group that > might just think that were playing iriginals if the music is more than a > year old…. Yes, it is fun though…. > Anyway, I was hoping that you could add a few "(S)Hits)" to my growing list: > Tatu: All the things she said. > Dido: Thank you > Matchbox 20: Bent > Blink 182: all the small things/first date > Goo Goo Dolls: Iris > Counting Crows: Mr Jones > REM: End of the world > Creed: My Sacrifice / Higher > Nickleback: Too Bad > Chad Kroeger feat Nickleback: Hero > U2: Beautiful day > Shakira: Objection > Thanks. > cb
>I think she does a song by the same name…different tune tho
Its called "Don’t Let Me Get Me" and includes the lyric "I’m my own worst enemy"… doesn’t touch the lyrical content of Lit’s minor classic IMVH and subjective O. BT68uk </pedant mode>
> Hi all, > da band (No name yet) is looking for songs to cover. Must be recent so that > it doesn’t stress the attention span or memories of the consumer group that > might just think that were playing iriginals if the music is more than a > year old…. Yes, it is fun though…. > Anyway, I was hoping that you could add a few "(S)Hits)" to my growing
list: "Kids" by Robbie & Kylie. My last band rocked it up somewhat, added a 4/4 thrash-out after the rap, before reprising the chorus and adding a surprise early ending. Also gave the drummer the excuse to wear sparkly hotpants and a blonde wig… ahem… BT68uk
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Not all of these are recent, but they are the ones the youngsters >> seem to like/recognize in my set list >> Lit – My Own Worst Enemy > Isn’t that by Pink? > Who? ;)
I think she does a song by the same name…different tune tho >> Romantics – What I Like About You > Worst thing is, this is probably a song the teens consider an "oldie." > Well, it is over 20 years old… > To think that the set list that my party band from 20 years > ago had would now be considered "classic rock", and that’s > there’s bands playing right now that have the same set list.
Im just telling you the songs that seem to work with some of the younger crowd in my area, this is one of them….. — If a man among you holds no sin upon his hand, then let him cast a stone at me for playing in the band. http://www.bluepearlband.com
>Not all of these are recent, but they are the ones the youngsters seem >to like/recognize in my set list >Lit – My Own Worst Enemy
Isn’t that by Pink? >Romantics – What I Like About You
Worst thing is, this is probably a song the teens consider an "oldie." >REM: End of the world
Ibid. Zooty
>>Not all of these are recent, but they are the ones the youngsters seem >to like/recognize in my set list >Lit – My Own Worst Enemy > Isn’t that by Pink?
Who? ;) >Romantics – What I Like About You > Worst thing is, this is probably a song the teens consider an "oldie."
Well, it is over 20 years old… To think that the set list that my party band from 20 years ago had would now be considered "classic rock", and that’s there’s bands playing right now that have the same set list.
> i’m a youngster and i know ONE of those songs.
Thank you! Maybe 3… — O> /() ^^
I know three…. not bad for going on 21….. I remember that Dishwalla song from when I was in middle school but I don’t remember how it goes…. I have some friends into pop/punk so I’ve heard the Lit song…. and "What I Like About You"…. wasn’t that on a McDonald’s commercial for a while? Hmm.. three songs… I almost seem to have a half of a clue of what my peers are listening too…… don’t vote me out of the club of ‘too busy with the bass to notice pop culture’ just yet…. here’s a good story: I’m in my dorm last year (before I joined the high society of 4 college kids crammed into cheap, 100 year old houses nobody else wants to live in but us kids), it’s the first week of class so my new roomates bring in some lady friends and being the music major my room is littered with posters of thelonius monk, parker, hendrix, miles, etc, and I’ve got a few guitars and basses around (they were very spacious dorms). So one of the girls asks me if I can play that Uncle Cracker song (???) so I give them the look of ??? and tell them I’ve never heard of him and they don’t believe me. They try a few more requests and the eventually either start to believe I’ve *actually* never heard of these guys, or I’m being cruel to them or something. So they wander off and I go back to playing Donna Lee in 12 keys. But, ’tis not a loss as I know girls who are not only impressed by Donna Lee, but can recognise it and/or play it too.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i’m a youngster and i know ONE of those songs. > Thank you! > Maybe 3… > — > O> > /() > ^^
Aerosmith – Walk this way (people know it) Barenaked Ladies – One Week Amiel – Love Song Cake – Distance Green Day – When i Come Around/Time of your Life Incubus – Drive John Mayer – My Stupid Mouth Metallica – Nothing else Matters Presidents of the United States of America – Peaches Puddle of Mud – She Hates Me Queens of the Stone Age – No One Knows Red Hot Chili peppers – any of the new album Tenacious D – Tribute The Strokes – Last Nite 399shy – good vibes that covers a pretty wide range of genres…. Sam
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all, > da band (No name yet) is looking for songs to cover. Must be recent so that > it doesn’t stress the attention span or memories of the consumer group that > might just think that were playing iriginals if the music is more than a > year old…. Yes, it is fun though…. > Anyway, I was hoping that you could add a few "(S)Hits)" to my growing list: > Tatu: All the things she said. > Dido: Thank you > Matchbox 20: Bent > Blink 182: all the small things/first date > Goo Goo Dolls: Iris > Counting Crows: Mr Jones > REM: End of the world > Creed: My Sacrifice / Higher > Nickleback: Too Bad > Chad Kroeger feat Nickleback: Hero > U2: Beautiful day > Shakira: Objection > Thanks. > cb
Not all of these are recent, but they are the ones the youngsters seem to like/recognize in my set list DaDa – Dim Lit – My Own Worst Enemy Fiona Apple – Criminal Jimmy something or other – The Middle Dishwalla – Counting Blue Cars Sublime – Santoria Romantics – What I Like About You – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hi all, >da band (No name yet) is looking for songs to cover. Must be recent so that >it doesn’t stress the attention span or memories of the consumer group that >might just think that were playing iriginals if the music is more than a >year old…. Yes, it is fun though…. >Anyway, I was hoping that you could add a few "(S)Hits)" to my growing list: >Tatu: All the things she said. >Dido: Thank you >Matchbox 20: Bent >Blink 182: all the small things/first date >Goo Goo Dolls: Iris >Counting Crows: Mr Jones >REM: End of the world >Creed: My Sacrifice / Higher >Nickleback: Too Bad >Chad Kroeger feat Nickleback: Hero >U2: Beautiful day >Shakira: Objection >Thanks. >cb
– If a man among you holds no sin upon his hand, then let him cast a stone at me for playing in the band. http://www.bluepearlband.com
Hi all, da band (No name yet) is looking for songs to cover. Must be recent so that it doesn’t stress the attention span or memories of the consumer group that might just think that were playing iriginals if the music is more than a year old…. Yes, it is fun though…. Anyway, I was hoping that you could add a few "(S)Hits)" to my growing list: Tatu: All the things she said. Dido: Thank you Matchbox 20: Bent Blink 182: all the small things/first date Goo Goo Dolls: Iris Counting Crows: Mr Jones REM: End of the world Creed: My Sacrifice / Higher Nickleback: Too Bad Chad Kroeger feat Nickleback: Hero U2: Beautiful day Shakira: Objection Thanks. cb
> Harold Bloom the scholar says that the whole notion of objectivity is a myth > and a fallacy as well as next to impossible to practice. No fact merely > stands by itself without any need for interpretation or arranging. What > thinking people should be striving for is an ‘informed subjectivity’. I > agree with Bloom totally on that. And based on that reasoning, and yours, > Mr. Running, it is eminently possible for an opinion to be as fundamentally > wrong as a day is long. At the root of logic is the principle that a true > premise can lead to a false conclusion, but a false premise cannot EVER lead > to a true conclusion.
I think you’ve fumbled the catch there. If a true premise leads to a false conclusion, the logic is inconsistent. On the other hand, plenty of logics allow that false => x is true for all x, so false => true is true, so a true proposition can be derived from a false premise. Apologies if you just mistyped. If you have a false premise, what happens is that your conclusions carry no weight because /anything/ can be proved from a false premise (modulo some quibbles about domain of reasoning and incompleteness). > An opinion is merely a conclusion drawn from premises > which themselves have been drawn from an imperfect world. > It is folly to assert that some opinions do not make more > sense than others.
true — * http://www.chaos.org.uk/~jf/Stuff-I-dont-want.html
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A wise man once said, "Opinions can’t be right or wrong." They are > opinions, after all. > But then he changed his mind when he remembered he was much smarter than > everyone else and his opinions are actually more right than others’. > — > O< "Is that allowed?" > (( > )) > <( ) > Z | > |_ > Steve
That is exactly what I was trying to say Brian, and thank you for eloquently putting it. But ya know, you are just wrong to some people. Opinions just can’t be right or wrong, period, according to some (not me). Funny how "relativists" become "absolutist" when they are taking a stand that everything is "relative." — This nascent group of rag-tag ex-food service slingers aims to please you, the listener. Check us out at: http://echofission.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I agree. Some opinions have more value, but none are right or wrong. > I’ve been resisting joining these related threads, but I can’t stand it any > more. All this talk about how opinions can’t be right or wrong is bullshit. > Of course they can be right or wrong! > Example: "It’s my opinion that Steve Lehmann got exactly the big brou-ha-ha > he hoped for when he posted about gay marriage." That opinion is correct. > Example: A scientist states the opinion that there is life on Mars. That > opinion is either 100% right or 100% wrong — we may not know the answer > now, but that doesn’t affect the correctness of the opinion. > Example: A religious person holds the opinion that there is a God. That > opinion is either 100% right or 100% wrong. > Example: An expert witness at trial states that it is his opinion that a > car that locks up its brakes while traveling 70 miles per hour could not > possibly leave a four-wheel skid mark on dry pavement that is nine hundred > seventy-five feet long. That opinion is 100% correct — the fact that the > cross-examining attorney forces the expert to admit that he has never > conducted a specific test to attempt to create such a skid does not affect > the underlying correctness of the opinion. > Don’t confuse the fact that we might not know the answer with the > possibility that there is no correct answer. And, most importantly, just > because someone disagrees with an opinion does not ipso facto mean the > opinion is wrong. Attempting to throw something into doubt does not mean > that the doubt is justified. In other words, just saying to someone, > "That’s just your opinion," doesn’t mean that the statement is wrong.
> Harold Bloom the scholar says that the whole notion of objectivity is a myth > and a fallacy as well as next to impossible to practice. No fact merely > stands by itself without any need for interpretation or arranging.
Sure they do. You are breathing right now, aren’t you? Fact. No arranging. It just IS. What – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> thinking people should be striving for is an ‘informed subjectivity’. I > agree with Bloom totally on that. And based on that reasoning, and yours, > Mr. Running, it is eminently possible for an opinion to be as fundamentally > wrong as a day is long. At the root of logic is the principle that a true > premise can lead to a false conclusion, but a false premise cannot EVER lead > to a true conclusion. An opinion is merely a conclusion drawn from premises > which themselves have been drawn from an imperfect world. It is folly to > assert that some opinions do not make more sense than others. > Edward G. > — > A system that robs Peter to pay Paul will always have Paul’s support. > — > > I agree. Some opinions have more value, but none are right or wrong. > I’ve been resisting joining these related threads, but I can’t stand it > any > more. All this talk about how opinions can’t be right or wrong is > bullshit. > Of course they can be right or wrong! > Example: "It’s my opinion that Steve Lehmann got exactly the big > brou-ha-ha > he hoped for when he posted about gay marriage." That opinion is correct. > Example: A scientist states the opinion that there is life on Mars. That > opinion is either 100% right or 100% wrong — we may not know the answer > now, but that doesn’t affect the correctness of the opinion. > Example: A religious person holds the opinion that there is a God. That > opinion is either 100% right or 100% wrong. > Example: An expert witness at trial states that it is his opinion that a > car that locks up its brakes while traveling 70 miles per hour could not > possibly leave a four-wheel skid mark on dry pavement that is nine hundred > seventy-five feet long. That opinion is 100% correct — the fact that the > cross-examining attorney forces the expert to admit that he has never > conducted a specific test to attempt to create such a skid does not affect > the underlying correctness of the opinion. > Don’t confuse the fact that we might not know the answer with the > possibility that there is no correct answer. And, most importantly, just > because someone disagrees with an opinion does not ipso facto mean the > opinion is wrong. Attempting to throw something into doubt does not mean > that the doubt is justified. In other words, just saying to someone, > "That’s just your opinion," doesn’t mean that the statement is wrong.
Harold Bloom the scholar says that the whole notion of objectivity is a myth and a fallacy as well as next to impossible to practice. No fact merely stands by itself without any need for interpretation or arranging. What thinking people should be striving for is an ‘informed subjectivity’. I agree with Bloom totally on that. And based on that reasoning, and yours, Mr. Running, it is eminently possible for an opinion to be as fundamentally wrong as a day is long. At the root of logic is the principle that a true premise can lead to a false conclusion, but a false premise cannot EVER lead to a true conclusion. An opinion is merely a conclusion drawn from premises which themselves have been drawn from an imperfect world. It is folly to assert that some opinions do not make more sense than others. Edward G. — A system that robs Peter to pay Paul will always have Paul’s support. —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I agree. Some opinions have more value, but none are right or wrong. > I’ve been resisting joining these related threads, but I can’t stand it any > more. All this talk about how opinions can’t be right or wrong is bullshit. > Of course they can be right or wrong! > Example: "It’s my opinion that Steve Lehmann got exactly the big brou-ha-ha > he hoped for when he posted about gay marriage." That opinion is correct. > Example: A scientist states the opinion that there is life on Mars. That > opinion is either 100% right or 100% wrong — we may not know the answer > now, but that doesn’t affect the correctness of the opinion. > Example: A religious person holds the opinion that there is a God. That > opinion is either 100% right or 100% wrong. > Example: An expert witness at trial states that it is his opinion that a > car that locks up its brakes while traveling 70 miles per hour could not > possibly leave a four-wheel skid mark on dry pavement that is nine hundred > seventy-five feet long. That opinion is 100% correct — the fact that the > cross-examining attorney forces the expert to admit that he has never > conducted a specific test to attempt to create such a skid does not affect > the underlying correctness of the opinion. > Don’t confuse the fact that we might not know the answer with the > possibility that there is no correct answer. And, most importantly, just > because someone disagrees with an opinion does not ipso facto mean the > opinion is wrong. Attempting to throw something into doubt does not mean > that the doubt is justified. In other words, just saying to someone, > "That’s just your opinion," doesn’t mean that the statement is wrong.
> I’ve been resisting joining these related threads, but I can’t stand it any > more. All this talk about how opinions can’t be right or wrong is bullshit. > Of course they can be right or wrong!
Facts are right and wrong. Opinions based on facts are more valued, but still opinions. I think people stating opinions as facts is where we all run into trouble. One definition of opinion is "belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge." Once you hit "positive knowledge" it’s no longer opinion. It’s fact. > Example: "It’s my opinion that Steve Lehmann got exactly the big brou-ha-ha > he hoped for when he posted about gay marriage." That opinion is correct.
How can you say that’s right? That opinion is not based on any kind of fact at all. (As an aside, I wasn’t looking for a "brou-ha-ha". It was local news and I found it interesting, so I thought I’d share.) > Example: A scientist states the opinion that there is life on Mars. That > opinion is either 100% right or 100% wrong — we may not know the answer > now, but that doesn’t affect the correctness of the opinion.
Right, but it’s his opinion. You can choose to value his opinion or not. Your choice. Whether or not the facts are correct doesn’t change the fact that it’s one person’s opinion. It might still be his opinion even if it’s proved wrong. > Example: A religious person holds the opinion that there is a God. That > opinion is either 100% right or 100% wrong.
Their opinion. Can’t even be proved wrong or right. Good example. > Example: An expert witness at trial states that it is his opinion that a > car that locks up its brakes while traveling 70 miles per hour could not > possibly leave a four-wheel skid mark on dry pavement that is nine hundred > seventy-five feet long. That opinion is 100% correct — the fact that the > cross-examining attorney forces the expert to admit that he has never > conducted a specific test to attempt to create such a skid does not affect > the underlying correctness of the opinion.
Again, one can choose to value opinions or not. If you want someone who knows a lot about something, pick them well. Their opinion is still their opinion, unless they can state clear facts. Then it’s not their opinion in question, but the quality of their facts. One usually hopes that their opinion is right. One will usually fight to defend it. > Don’t confuse the fact that we might not know the answer with the > possibility that there is no correct answer. And, most importantly, just > because someone disagrees with an opinion does not ipso facto mean the > opinion is wrong. Attempting to throw something into doubt does not mean > that the doubt is justified. In other words, just saying to someone, > "That’s just your opinion," doesn’t mean that the statement is wrong.
But it does mean that they don’t value it. Oh – and mostly I was just trolling for the contradictoramus-man. My head hurts. — O< "Pthbt!" (( )) <( ) Z | |_ Steve
Interesting discussion: It would appear that whether opinions are right or wrong, is not always the case. Sometimes they are right/wrong. Sometimes they are just preference. From our discussion, we so far have two types of opinions: Those that are preference (subjective) types of opinions (based on subjective tastes) - These would be very hard to ultimately prove right or wrong. Those that are observation (objective) types of opinions (based on facts, factual experience, logical premises, and even gut instinct). -These ultimately are proven right or wrong. To tie up Brian’s ideas: "If an opinion is made in a forest and a fact isn’t there to back it up, does that make the opinion wrong?" — This nascent group of rag-tag ex-food service slingers aims to please you, the listener. Check us out at: http://echofission.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Meh. You never know. Sometimes a little smiley face goes a long way. :) > — > O< "Pthbt!" > (( > )) > <( ) > Z | > |_ > Steve > I guess you missed my lame attempt at poking fun at you with the "opinions > can’t be right or wrong" thing. Come on now, you know me to be more of an > absolutist then a relativist…didn’t you find it a little peculiar that I > was suddenly saying "opinions can’t be right or wrong?" > — > This nascent group of rag-tag > ex-food service slingers aims to > please you, the listener. > Check us out at: > http://echofission.com > > The whole thing that started this for me was when you replied to > someone’s > > post with the very words "opinions can’t be right or wrong." That’s > all > > you said. Then you say something different (See below). All I was > really > > looking for was a clarification of your inconsistancy. > > Oh – and adding the "(types of)" changes the meaning of your quote. > > And another thing – I didn’t take any philosophy courses (which I would > have > > thought was obvious by now….) > > — > > O< "Pthbt!" > > (( > > )) > > <( ) > > Z | > > |_ > > Steve > message > > > Steve, you are getting it! > > > Now requote me: > > > "Some (types of) opinions are more right than others." > > > As in certain opinions regarding taste (vanilla vs chocolate) is > purely > of > > > the subjective type of opinion. Neither is right or wrong. > > > "Some opinions are right and some are wrong." > > > Other opinions that lean more towards OBJECTIVE types of opinions, > based > > on > > > fact, or based on a postulate/premise. Those opinions are right or > wrong. > > > Even if there is no proof currently, as Brian says, they will be > > ultimately > > > proven right or wrong. That however doesn’t change the rightness or > > > wrongness of said opinion if it hasn’t been proven yet. (every hear of > t > he > > > phrase SEE I TOLD YOU SO?) > > > Perhaps now you will start thinking outside the box your college > philosohy > > > 101 has caged you in all this time. > > > Again, "some opinions are more right than others, and some opinions > are > > > right and some are wrong." > > > I chose to engage you now, since you are serious about the issue > rather > > than > > > seeming to pick a squabble with me and make the issue personal. Let’s > keep > > > it on that level. > > > — > > > This nascent group of rag-tag > > > ex-food service slingers aims to > > > please you, the listener. > > > Check us out at: > > > http://echofission.com > > > > <good points snipped> > > > > > Right. But it’s still either right or wrong. And, if someone > chooses > > > not > > > > > to "value" someone else’s opinion, that doesn’t affect the > rightness > > or > > > > > wrongness of the opinion. > > > > But where do we draw the line? There’s a difference between someone > who > > > > says "Metallica sucks." and someone who says in court "It’s > impossible > > for > > > > that person to be the murderer." > > > > I guess to a point we’re arguing semantics. > > > > Steve
> I must have missed the memo in which we were all instructed to accept Harold > Bloom’s opinions as fact. I gave up on "scholars" as sources of truth > twenty years ago in college.
and a good thing you, and most people possessing wisdom, did. The greatest scholars in the finest institutions of learning once held that the Earth as the center of the universe was an obvious truth.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> <good points snipped> > > Right. But it’s still either right or wrong. And, if someone chooses > not > > to "value" someone else’s opinion, that doesn’t affect the rightness or > > wrongness of the opinion. > But where do we draw the line? There’s a difference between someone who > says "Metallica sucks." and someone who says in court "It’s impossible for > that person to be the murderer." > I guess to a point we’re arguing semantics. > I guess I have to agree with your last comment, because there are purely > subjective opinions — such as, "Metallica sucks." My point is, it is not > true to say that all opinions are neither right nor wrong. Opinions can be > right or wrong, and they can also be purely subjective and neither right nor > wrong. Here’s the exchange that got this all started: > PD: "I agree that gays should be able to get married, but having a > differing opinion doesn’t make one a lunatic." > J.Shaughnessy: "…but blindly following a narrow definition of right and > wrong based on a book of ancient stories, and attempting to force that > definition onto the gereal populace, does." > PD: "In your opinion." > Beelzebubba: "No, he’s right." > PD: "Opinions are neither right or wrong." > That last comment is incorrect, and that’s my main point.
Actually Brian in THIS context, the opinion can be neither right or wrong. My statement should have read: Opinions (on this matter) can neither be right or wrong. — This nascent group of rag-tag ex-food service slingers aims to please you, the listener. Check us out at: http://echofission.com PD’s first – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> comment, about lunatics, is also wrong, despite it being his opinion. The > definition of lunacy is based purely upon a person’s state of mind, > manifested by that person’s opinions being outside of norms. Then, JS’s > comment may or may not be wrong, depending on whether those facts fit the > definition of lunacy — but they either do or don’t. Then, PD’s response > that it’s just JS’s opinion, is apparently right, but that doesn’t make JS’s > opinion wrong. And then, by the same token, Beelzebubba’s opinion may or > may not be correct, depending on whether JS’s statement is correct or not. > The definition of lunacy is intermittent insanity, thought to be caused by > the phases of the moon. Insanity is defined as a condition rendering a > person incapable of normal, rational conduct or judgment. "Normal" means in > conformity with an accepted standard, "rational" means based upon reason or > logic. It is usually fairly simple to define accepted standards, and it’s > also simple to look at behavior and say whether it’s based on logic or > reason, those both being well-defined concepts. So, it is possible to say > whether the behavior those guys were arguing about constitutes lunacy or > not, and thus, opinions on that can be right or wrong. > But again, the main point is, it is possible for opinions to be right or > wrong.
> I think you’ve fumbled the catch there. If a true premise > leads to a false conclusion, the logic is inconsistent. On > the other hand, plenty of logics allow that false => x is > true for all x, so false => true is true, so a true > proposition can be derived from a false premise. Apologies > if you just mistyped.
nope..you made a common logic mistake in that statement…it’s called the "undistributed middle term" x has be exist in both sides. undistributed example: a cat (y) is and animal (x) a dog (z) is an animal (x) (both true statements) therefore, a dog is a cat. obviously not true middle term x is not properly distributed in the statement. This logic error is often used in arguments, but it violates the rules. and yes, opinions can be wrong, and in a 2 sided squabble, one very often is wrong. only relativism holds the no "wrong" position.
Meh. You never know. Sometimes a little smiley face goes a long way. :) — O< "Pthbt!" (( )) <( ) Z | |_ Steve
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I guess you missed my lame attempt at poking fun at you with the "opinions > can’t be right or wrong" thing. Come on now, you know me to be more of an > absolutist then a relativist…didn’t you find it a little peculiar that I > was suddenly saying "opinions can’t be right or wrong?" > — > This nascent group of rag-tag > ex-food service slingers aims to > please you, the listener. > Check us out at: > http://echofission.com > The whole thing that started this for me was when you replied to someone’s > post with the very words "opinions can’t be right or wrong." That’s all > you said. Then you say something different (See below). All I was really > looking for was a clarification of your inconsistancy. > Oh – and adding the "(types of)" changes the meaning of your quote. > And another thing – I didn’t take any philosophy courses (which I would > have > thought was obvious by now….) > — > O< "Pthbt!" > (( > )) > <( ) > Z | > |_ > Steve message > > Steve, you are getting it! > > Now requote me: > > "Some (types of) opinions are more right than others." > > As in certain opinions regarding taste (vanilla vs chocolate) is purely > of > > the subjective type of opinion. Neither is right or wrong. > > "Some opinions are right and some are wrong." > > Other opinions that lean more towards OBJECTIVE types of opinions, based > on > > fact, or based on a postulate/premise. Those opinions are right or > wrong. > > Even if there is no proof currently, as Brian says, they will be > ultimately > > proven right or wrong. That however doesn’t change the rightness or > > wrongness of said opinion if it hasn’t been proven yet. (every hear of t > he > > phrase SEE I TOLD YOU SO?) > > Perhaps now you will start thinking outside the box your college > philosohy > > 101 has caged you in all this time. > > Again, "some opinions are more right than others, and some opinions are > > right and some are wrong." > > I chose to engage you now, since you are serious about the issue rather > than > > seeming to pick a squabble with me and make the issue personal. Let’s > keep > > it on that level. > > — > > This nascent group of rag-tag > > ex-food service slingers aims to > > please you, the listener. > > Check us out at: > > http://echofission.com > > > <good points snipped> > > > > Right. But it’s still either right or wrong. And, if someone > chooses > > not > > > > to "value" someone else’s opinion, that doesn’t affect the rightness > or > > > > wrongness of the opinion. > > > But where do we draw the line? There’s a difference between someone > who > > > says "Metallica sucks." and someone who says in court "It’s impossible > for > > > that person to be the murderer." > > > I guess to a point we’re arguing semantics. > > > Steve
I guess you missed my lame attempt at poking fun at you with the "opinions can’t be right or wrong" thing. Come on now, you know me to be more of an absolutist then a relativist…didn’t you find it a little peculiar that I was suddenly saying "opinions can’t be right or wrong?" — This nascent group of rag-tag ex-food service slingers aims to please you, the listener. Check us out at: http://echofission.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The whole thing that started this for me was when you replied to someone’s > post with the very words "opinions can’t be right or wrong." That’s all > you said. Then you say something different (See below). All I was really > looking for was a clarification of your inconsistancy. > Oh – and adding the "(types of)" changes the meaning of your quote. > And another thing – I didn’t take any philosophy courses (which I would have > thought was obvious by now….) > — > O< "Pthbt!" > (( > )) > <( ) > Z | > |_ > Steve > Steve, you are getting it! > Now requote me: > "Some (types of) opinions are more right than others." > As in certain opinions regarding taste (vanilla vs chocolate) is purely of > the subjective type of opinion. Neither is right or wrong. > "Some opinions are right and some are wrong." > Other opinions that lean more towards OBJECTIVE types of opinions, based > on > fact, or based on a postulate/premise. Those opinions are right or wrong. > Even if there is no proof currently, as Brian says, they will be > ultimately > proven right or wrong. That however doesn’t change the rightness or > wrongness of said opinion if it hasn’t been proven yet. (every hear of t he > phrase SEE I TOLD YOU SO?) > Perhaps now you will start thinking outside the box your college philosohy > 101 has caged you in all this time. > Again, "some opinions are more right than others, and some opinions are > right and some are wrong." > I chose to engage you now, since you are serious about the issue rather > than > seeming to pick a squabble with me and make the issue personal. Let’s keep > it on that level. > — > This nascent group of rag-tag > ex-food service slingers aims to > please you, the listener. > Check us out at: > http://echofission.com > > <good points snipped> > > > Right. But it’s still either right or wrong. And, if someone chooses > not > > > to "value" someone else’s opinion, that doesn’t affect the rightness > or > > > wrongness of the opinion. > > But where do we draw the line? There’s a difference between someone who > > says "Metallica sucks." and someone who says in court "It’s impossible > for > > that person to be the murderer." > > I guess to a point we’re arguing semantics. > > Steve
> <good points snipped> > Right. But it’s still either right or wrong. And, if someone chooses not > to "value" someone else’s opinion, that doesn’t affect the rightness or > wrongness of the opinion. > But where do we draw the line? There’s a difference between someone who > says "Metallica sucks." and someone who says in court "It’s impossible for > that person to be the murderer." > I guess to a point we’re arguing semantics.
I guess I have to agree with your last comment, because there are purely subjective opinions — such as, "Metallica sucks." My point is, it is not true to say that all opinions are neither right nor wrong. Opinions can be right or wrong, and they can also be purely subjective and neither right nor wrong. Here’s the exchange that got this all started: PD: "I agree that gays should be able to get married, but having a differing opinion doesn’t make one a lunatic." J.Shaughnessy: "…but blindly following a narrow definition of right and wrong based on a book of ancient stories, and attempting to force that definition onto the gereal populace, does." PD: "In your opinion." Beelzebubba: "No, he’s right." PD: "Opinions are neither right or wrong." That last comment is incorrect, and that’s my main point. PD’s first comment, about lunatics, is also wrong, despite it being his opinion. The definition of lunacy is based purely upon a person’s state of mind, manifested by that person’s opinions being outside of norms. Then, JS’s comment may or may not be wrong, depending on whether those facts fit the definition of lunacy — but they either do or don’t. Then, PD’s response that it’s just JS’s opinion, is apparently right, but that doesn’t make JS’s opinion wrong. And then, by the same token, Beelzebubba’s opinion may or may not be correct, depending on whether JS’s statement is correct or not. The definition of lunacy is intermittent insanity, thought to be caused by the phases of the moon. Insanity is defined as a condition rendering a person incapable of normal, rational conduct or judgment. "Normal" means in conformity with an accepted standard, "rational" means based upon reason or logic. It is usually fairly simple to define accepted standards, and it’s also simple to look at behavior and say whether it’s based on logic or reason, those both being well-defined concepts. So, it is possible to say whether the behavior those guys were arguing about constitutes lunacy or not, and thus, opinions on that can be right or wrong. But again, the main point is, it is possible for opinions to be right or wrong.
The whole thing that started this for me was when you replied to someone’s post with the very words "opinions can’t be right or wrong." That’s all you said. Then you say something different (See below). All I was really looking for was a clarification of your inconsistancy. Oh – and adding the "(types of)" changes the meaning of your quote. And another thing – I didn’t take any philosophy courses (which I would have thought was obvious by now….) — O< "Pthbt!" (( )) <( ) Z | |_ Steve
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Steve, you are getting it! > Now requote me: > "Some (types of) opinions are more right than others." > As in certain opinions regarding taste (vanilla vs chocolate) is purely of > the subjective type of opinion. Neither is right or wrong. > "Some opinions are right and some are wrong." > Other opinions that lean more towards OBJECTIVE types of opinions, based on > fact, or based on a postulate/premise. Those opinions are right or wrong. > Even if there is no proof currently, as Brian says, they will be ultimately > proven right or wrong. That however doesn’t change the rightness or > wrongness of said opinion if it hasn’t been proven yet. (every hear of the > phrase SEE I TOLD YOU SO?) > Perhaps now you will start thinking outside the box your college philosohy > 101 has caged you in all this time. > Again, "some opinions are more right than others, and some opinions are > right and some are wrong." > I chose to engage you now, since you are serious about the issue rather than > seeming to pick a squabble with me and make the issue personal. Let’s keep > it on that level. > — > This nascent group of rag-tag > ex-food service slingers aims to > please you, the listener. > Check us out at: > http://echofission.com > <good points snipped> > > Right. But it’s still either right or wrong. And, if someone chooses > not > > to "value" someone else’s opinion, that doesn’t affect the rightness or > > wrongness of the opinion. > But where do we draw the line? There’s a difference between someone who > says "Metallica sucks." and someone who says in court "It’s impossible for > that person to be the murderer." > I guess to a point we’re arguing semantics. > Steve
<good points snipped> > Right. But it’s still either right or wrong. And, if someone chooses not > to "value" someone else’s opinion, that doesn’t affect the rightness or > wrongness of the opinion.
But where do we draw the line? There’s a difference between someone who says "Metallica sucks." and someone who says in court "It’s impossible for that person to be the murderer." I guess to a point we’re arguing semantics. Steve
Steve, you are getting it! Now requote me: "Some (types of) opinions are more right than others." As in certain opinions regarding taste (vanilla vs chocolate) is purely of the subjective type of opinion. Neither is right or wrong. "Some opinions are right and some are wrong." Other opinions that lean more towards OBJECTIVE types of opinions, based on fact, or based on a postulate/premise. Those opinions are right or wrong. Even if there is no proof currently, as Brian says, they will be ultimately proven right or wrong. That however doesn’t change the rightness or wrongness of said opinion if it hasn’t been proven yet. (every hear of the phrase SEE I TOLD YOU SO?) Perhaps now you will start thinking outside the box your college philosohy 101 has caged you in all this time. Again, "some opinions are more right than others, and some opinions are right and some are wrong." I chose to engage you now, since you are serious about the issue rather than seeming to pick a squabble with me and make the issue personal. Let’s keep it on that level. — This nascent group of rag-tag ex-food service slingers aims to please you, the listener. Check us out at: http://echofission.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> <good points snipped> > Right. But it’s still either right or wrong. And, if someone chooses not > to "value" someone else’s opinion, that doesn’t affect the rightness or > wrongness of the opinion. > But where do we draw the line? There’s a difference between someone who > says "Metallica sucks." and someone who says in court "It’s impossible for > that person to be the murderer." > I guess to a point we’re arguing semantics. > Steve
> Facts are right and wrong. Opinions based on facts are more valued, but > still opinions. I think people stating opinions as facts is where we all > run into trouble. > One definition of opinion is "belief stronger than impression and less > strong than positive knowledge." Once you hit "positive knowledge" it’s no > longer opinion. It’s fact.
But the underlying circumstances haven’t changed, have they? The fact existed all along, independent of anyone’s understanding of it. The only thing that changed is someone’s perception of it became verified as "positive knowledge." So, anyone who held that opinion was correct. > Example: "It’s my opinion that Steve Lehmann got exactly the big > brou-ha-ha > he hoped for when he posted about gay marriage." That opinion is
correct. > How can you say that’s right? That opinion is not based on any kind of fact > at all.
Sure it is. I know you’re an intelligent guy. You and I know that if you post a controversial topic here, you’re going to get an argument. You can act innocent, but you and I know darned well you were looking for the reaction you got. Your follow-up threads sure don’t contradict that conclusion. > (As an aside, I wasn’t looking for a "brou-ha-ha". It was local news and I > found it interesting, so I thought I’d share.)
Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more. > Example: A scientist states the opinion that there is life on Mars. That > opinion is either 100% right or 100% wrong — we may not know the answer > now, but that doesn’t affect the correctness of the opinion. > Right, but it’s his opinion. You can choose to value his opinion or not. > Your choice. Whether or not the facts are correct doesn’t change the fact > that it’s one person’s opinion. It might still be his opinion even if it’s > proved wrong.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. It’s right or it’s wrong! > Example: A religious person holds the opinion that there is a God. That > opinion is either 100% right or 100% wrong. > Their opinion. Can’t even be proved wrong or right. Good example.
Because it has to be one or the other — it’s not in some gray, iffy zone of subjectivism. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Example: An expert witness at trial states that it is his opinion that a > car that locks up its brakes while traveling 70 miles per hour could not > possibly leave a four-wheel skid mark on dry pavement that is nine hundred > seventy-five feet long. That opinion is 100% correct — the fact that the > cross-examining attorney forces the expert to admit that he has never > conducted a specific test to attempt to create such a skid does not affect > the underlying correctness of the opinion. > Again, one can choose to value opinions or not. If you want someone who > knows a lot about something, pick them well. Their opinion is still their > opinion, unless they can state clear facts. Then it’s not their opinion in > question, but the quality of their facts.
Right. But it’s still either right or wrong. And, if someone chooses not to "value" someone else’s opinion, that doesn’t affect the rightness or wrongness of the opinion.
YES!!! — O< "Pthbt!" (( )) <( ) Z | |_ Steve
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Man, you are one sad sack of shit. > — > This nascent group of rag-tag > ex-food service slingers aims to > please you, the listener. > Check us out at: > http://echofission.com > A wise man once said, "Opinions can’t be right or wrong." They are > opinions, after all. > But then he changed his mind when he remembered he was much smarter than > everyone else and his opinions are actually more right than others’. > — > O< "Is that allowed?" > (( > )) > <( ) > Z | > |_ > Steve
> Harold Bloom the scholar says that the whole notion of objectivity is a myth > and a fallacy as well as next to impossible to practice.
I must have missed the memo in which we were all instructed to accept Harold Bloom’s opinions as fact. I gave up on "scholars" as sources of truth twenty years ago in college. > No fact merely > stands by itself without any need for interpretation or arranging.
That’s not true — there are facts that we will never even know exist. The fact that people feel a need to interpret or arrange what they perceive does not alter the underlying condition which creates the perception. > What > thinking people should be striving for is an ‘informed subjectivity’. I > agree with Bloom totally on that.
It’s possible to create an infinite number of mental exercises in which you can imagine how "facts" might not be "facts" — it doesn’t take a "scholar" to do that, my kids play the "But, Dad, what if…?" game all the time with me. The only purpose that mental exercise serves is to kill your free time, it has no useful function in our daily existence. You want to debate the "fact" that the sun is shining down right now, and if I put my hand out my window, I will feel its warmth? Go ahead, let me know when you’ve come to a useful conclusion. It’s my opinion that thinking people should always keep their minds open enough that they do not feel the need to compress the ever-changing reality they are confronted with from minute to minute into pre-conceived notions that fit someone else’s scholarly writings. It’s no different than people believing religious dogma, blinding them to the real world that’s right before them, waiting to be understood. > And based on that reasoning, and yours, > Mr. Running, it is eminently possible for an opinion to be as fundamentally > wrong as a day is long. At the root of logic is the principle that a true > premise can lead to a false conclusion, but a false premise cannot EVER lead > to a true conclusion.
Certainly a false premise can lead to a true conclusion! All it takes is faulty logic, and/or plain old blind luck. This happens all the time. > An opinion is merely a conclusion drawn from premises > which themselves have been drawn from an imperfect world.
The world is what it is — it’s neither perfect nor imperfect. > It is folly to > assert that some opinions do not make more sense than others.
That’s true, and it is also folly to state categorically that there is no black-and-white in this world. There is black-and-white truth or falsehood, whether we are able to perceive or understand it or not. Our perception or understanding may not be adequate, but there are underlying facts which exist. And that, Mr. Graham, is my opinion. Damned if I know whether its’ right or wrong, but it’s definitely one or the other.
Seems that way.. http://tinyurl.com/eis6 — PLL’C
Very good! — O< "Pthbt!" (( )) <( ) Z | |_ Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Seems that way.. > http://tinyurl.com/eis6 > — > PLL’C
> I agree. Some opinions have more value, but none are right or wrong.
I’ve been resisting joining these related threads, but I can’t stand it any more. All this talk about how opinions can’t be right or wrong is bullshit. Of course they can be right or wrong! Example: "It’s my opinion that Steve Lehmann got exactly the big brou-ha-ha he hoped for when he posted about gay marriage." That opinion is correct. Example: A scientist states the opinion that there is life on Mars. That opinion is either 100% right or 100% wrong — we may not know the answer now, but that doesn’t affect the correctness of the opinion. Example: A religious person holds the opinion that there is a God. That opinion is either 100% right or 100% wrong. Example: An expert witness at trial states that it is his opinion that a car that locks up its brakes while traveling 70 miles per hour could not possibly leave a four-wheel skid mark on dry pavement that is nine hundred seventy-five feet long. That opinion is 100% correct — the fact that the cross-examining attorney forces the expert to admit that he has never conducted a specific test to attempt to create such a skid does not affect the underlying correctness of the opinion. Don’t confuse the fact that we might not know the answer with the possibility that there is no correct answer. And, most importantly, just because someone disagrees with an opinion does not ipso facto mean the opinion is wrong. Attempting to throw something into doubt does not mean that the doubt is justified. In other words, just saying to someone, "That’s just your opinion," doesn’t mean that the statement is wrong.
> A wise man once said, "Opinions can’t be right or wrong." They are > opinions, after all. > But then he changed his mind when he remembered he was much smarter than > everyone else and his opinions are actually more right than others’. > — > O< "Is that allowed?"
Sorry I beheaded the feathered friend with the axe of brief quoting. While opinions may not be right or wrong, some hold more water than others that’s for sure. Some opinions are certainly more informed than others. And some opiners are certainly more credible and reliable than others. Depends on the subject of course…. Best Regards, — /" ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Todd H / | http://www.toddh.net/ X Promoting good netiquette | http://triplethreatband.com/ / http://www.toddh.net/netiquette/ | "4 lines suffice."
I agree. Some opinions have more value, but none are right or wrong. — O< "Pthbt!" (( )) <( ) Z | |_ Steve
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A wise man once said, "Opinions can’t be right or wrong." They are > opinions, after all. > But then he changed his mind when he remembered he was much smarter than > everyone else and his opinions are actually more right than others’. > — > O< "Is that allowed?" > Sorry I beheaded the feathered friend with the axe of brief quoting. > > While opinions may not be right or wrong, some hold more water than > others that’s for sure. Some opinions are certainly more informed > than others. And some opiners are certainly more credible and > reliable than others. Depends on the subject of course…. > Best Regards, > — > /" ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Todd H > / | http://www.toddh.net/ > X Promoting good netiquette | http://triplethreatband.com/ > / http://www.toddh.net/netiquette/ | "4 lines suffice."
A wise man once said, "Opinions can’t be right or wrong." They are opinions, after all. But then he changed his mind when he remembered he was much smarter than everyone else and his opinions are actually more right than others’. — O< "Is that allowed?" (( )) <( ) Z | |_ Steve
McD- Not sure, but I believe your hero used a Morley wah in his rig……. Andy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What is the feeling of this group when it comes to distortion for the bass? > Wah? > Please spare me any lectures about bassists not needing them ect. > I’m about to play with a Metallica cover band and I’m in need of these two > items so I can do some Cliff em all style stuff.
don’t know about disto, but i use a morley bass wha pedal (blue body) very usable, without to have to press a switch. the effect is on since you touch the pedal with your feet, same system like the BAD HORSIE, morley wha pedal "steve vai" model for guitar. and the sound is a quit bit more modern than the cry baby. i really like it; and like a lot mix it with my octaver. i know it exist a new model, son of mine, which merit you to try. for the disto, the only i tried was the DOD FX50B; and it’s a crap. cheap but crap .. :) good luck in your quest — basst
Hi. I need a Bass’s Overdrive pedals. I see this pedals Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi Danelectro DO-1 Daddy O Overdrive I know the dealer but i don’t know this specific pedals… I have a BOSS Bass Overdrive but i must change it. What are your opinions about that pedals? Thanks for alll Bye
sorry.. no idea wich pedal is usable.. as described i use a guitar-tube-preamp for overdrive. but i realy want to know, if there is anybody out, who gets a good sound out of the "BOSS Bass Overdrive" i bought it but never used it, because it allways sounds like grap. nick
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi. I need a Bass’s Overdrive pedals. > I see this pedals > Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi > Danelectro DO-1 Daddy O Overdrive > I know the dealer but i don’t know this specific pedals… > I have a BOSS Bass Overdrive but i must change it. > What are your opinions about that pedals? > Thanks for alll > Bye
Muff Pi is more of a fuzz type of overdrive. Not sure about the other… But if you see a Sans Amp TRIAC, try it. That is what I use, and it is superior to anything else I have tried. Warm sound. 3-band EQ. 3 types of amp sim, and PROGRAMMABLE (i.e., you can store 3 different types of overdrive and you can recall them at the push of a button with your foot). Doesn’t suck the bass tone out of your bass. I am not sure why more bassists don’t use this pedal (probably b/c they think it is only for guitar). The pedal will allow you to get the coveted Sans Amp bass DI sound, but is more flexible with the exception of the XLR out of the DI. The TRIAC is purely a programmable overdrive pedal, and nothing else. It also sells for around 80 bucks. http://tech21nyc.com/ click on products, then scroll to TRI-A.C. sound samples from the website: http://tech21nyc.com/Sounds/TRIAC-Bass.mp3 — This nascent group of rag-tag ex-food service slingers aims to please you, the listener. Check us out at: http://echofission.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi. I need a Bass’s Overdrive pedals. > I see this pedals > Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi > Danelectro DO-1 Daddy O Overdrive > I know the dealer but i don’t know this specific pedals… > I have a BOSS Bass Overdrive but i must change it. > What are your opinions about that pedals? > Thanks for alll > Bye
Although I would never say it’s the greatest, I get a usable sound that I’m quite happy with on mine by turning the volume down to about half on the Bass, so I’m driving it a little less hard. I also turn the gain and balance almost all the way down I don’t use distortion often enough to warrant shelling out the bux for a boutique pedal, but I probably will replace the ODB-3 with something better one day. Joe S.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> sorry.. no idea wich pedal is usable.. as described i use a > guitar-tube-preamp for overdrive. > but i realy want to know, if there is anybody out, who gets a good sound out > of the "BOSS Bass Overdrive" > i bought it but never used it, because it allways sounds like grap. > nick > Hi. I need a Bass’s Overdrive pedals. > I see this pedals > Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi > Danelectro DO-1 Daddy O Overdrive > I know the dealer but i don’t know this specific pedals… > I have a BOSS Bass Overdrive but i must change it. > What are your opinions about that pedals? > Thanks for alll > Bye
get the digitech x-series bass overdrive, it’s great and has tons of tone options BF
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi. I need a Bass’s Overdrive pedals. > I see this pedals > Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi > Danelectro DO-1 Daddy O Overdrive > I know the dealer but i don’t know this specific pedals… > I have a BOSS Bass Overdrive but i must change it. > What are your opinions about that pedals? > Thanks for alll > Bye
never used one live, but i like the SansAmp bestest of bestest of all. the big muff was too muddy. no definition at all. in my frustrations, i opted to go without a pedal and just crank up the mids in my rig and let them growl out. it’s not a distorted tone, but it’s aggressive. good luck c
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi. I need a Bass’s Overdrive pedals. > I see this pedals > Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi > Danelectro DO-1 Daddy O Overdrive > I know the dealer but i don’t know this specific pedals… > I have a BOSS Bass Overdrive but i must change it. > What are your opinions about that pedals? > Thanks for alll > Bye
> Hi. I need a Bass’s Overdrive pedals. > I see this pedals > Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi > Danelectro DO-1 Daddy O Overdrive > I know the dealer but i don’t know this specific pedals… > I have a BOSS Bass Overdrive but i must change it. > What are your opinions about that pedals?
I’ve heard good things about the Big Muff, but it’s technically more of a "fuzz" pedal than an "overdrive"…depending on how specific your tastes are, it may not be for you. As for the Danelectro, I’ve never been impressed with their pedals; I’m not sure if I tried the DO-1, but I recommend that you do before you consider buying one. On the positive side, when I was checking out pedals with my bassist, we were most impressed with the Marshall Guvnor II (I think that’s what it was called) and the DOD Blues Driver. The Marshall has an extra "low bass" EQ knob, which is very usefull because distortion pedals tend to suck out your low end. He went with the Blues Driver, though, because it was the only one that had a usable gain range; the others went straight from "clean" to "buzzy". Of course, Tech 21 SansAmps have consistently blown me away (live and in the studio) with an amazing bass overdrive tone, but they’re a little pricier… Good luck, Morgan.
I have tried most overdrive effects available and have not been overly impressed with many. The Boss ODB-3 was awful giving a buzzy sound and a total loss of effect and keep your bottom end. The EHX Hot Tubes is the best so far with it actually having two Ec33 valves installed giving true valve dynamic overdrive, although a little pricey, without relying on solid state effects. — Alun www.bassics.org
I’ve got an Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi, and I like it. Granted I’m after the Cliff Burton Metallica sound. Haven’t tried anything else yet. Brett
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi. I need a Bass’s Overdrive pedals. > I see this pedals > Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi > Danelectro DO-1 Daddy O Overdrive > I know the dealer but i don’t know this specific pedals… > I have a BOSS Bass Overdrive but i must change it. > What are your opinions about that pedals? > Thanks for alll > Bye
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve got an Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi, and I like it. Granted I’m after > the Cliff Burton Metallica sound. Haven’t tried anything else yet. > Brett > Hi. I need a Bass’s Overdrive pedals. > I see this pedals > Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi > Danelectro DO-1 Daddy O Overdrive > I know the dealer but i don’t know this specific pedals… > I have a BOSS Bass Overdrive but i must change it. > What are your opinions about that pedals? > Thanks for alll > Bye
Newbie talking here, the Big Muff Pi USA RI (never tried the other) sounds very warm/thick/smooth with 0 (it really sounds good with 0 sustain) to high sustain sets, as mentioned there’s that Burton’s Pulling Teeth sound. But at very high gain (past 3h) I like the russian (black one) too, wich sounds much less compressed, more open and harsher (not as fuzzy, more regular distortion) and with more texture (altough with less gain and sustain), you can instantly have let’s say… MayheM’s "Chainsaw Gutsfuck" sound lol (I know it sounds nasty, but I find it a very good example) or even more Rat (I can only compare to the turbo) sounding, as Nirvana’s "breed". Either are strong distortions (with plenty of bottom end), if you can, try an ibanez ts9dx (has settings for more bass) too for a milder overdrive. Good luck.
I got a big kick out of running a J bass though a Rat. It didn’t work the other way around though. –e http://tapkae.com "Speak truth to Power." J.B. Kiesling for President, 2004
> I got a big kick out of running a J bass though a Rat. It didn’t work the > other way around though.
So… the J bass didn’t work when you ran and pulled a big rat out of the kick? /Hogge
http://www.fnac.com/Shelf/article.asp?PRID=1436125&SID=edff4f82%2Dec0… c%2D2f0a%2D3f63e560253b&UID=07232aee8%2D8da8%2D9948%2D0b1d%2D909d68ae28aa&A I D=&Origin=GOOGLE&Pe=1&No=1&Mu=-13&Fr=0&Mn=65&Ra=-28&To=0 the link you can listen some extracts of the album. his tittle is "St Anger" you can find the single which name "St Anger" too on kazaa; just to hear it .. ;) basst
QUESTION: What is one of your biggest motivations in writing music? I don’t just mean all the lyrics, but when you write specific riffs, is there any sort of feeling that you just pour into the guitar, or is it more technical than that? HETFIELD: Well on this record, just jammin’ with the guys. Just getting this, I don’t know, this overwelming of UGGGGH, that. Just UGMMM. Wanting to play and you’re playing your favourite guitar. Plug it into some amp that sounds SO GOOD. Turnin’ it WAY UP. Being in your own clubhouse, so you could play as loud as you want. Just plugging into a new amp, just really gets me motivated. When the crunch is there, I just write like ten riffs, and it feels really good. So, that’s not very technical. [transcribed from video interview on metallica.com website, April 7, 2003] NI}{ER
> HETFIELD: > Well on this record, just jammin’ with the guys. Just getting this, I don’t > know, this overwelming of UGGGGH, that. Just UGMMM. Wanting to play and > you’re playing your favourite guitar. Plug it into some amp that sounds SO > GOOD. Turnin’ it WAY UP. Being in your own clubhouse, so you could play as > loud as you want. Just plugging into a new amp, just really gets me > motivated. When the crunch is there, I just write like ten riffs, and it > feels really good. So, that’s not very technical.
I thought this guy was in rehab? Didn’t work, obviously. HAHAHA. Bernard — www.piller.at
Is he writing music or taking a crap? Hard to tell the difference from those noises.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> QUESTION: > What is one of your biggest motivations in writing music? I don’t just mean > all the lyrics, but when you write specific riffs, is there any sort of > feeling that you just pour into the guitar, or is it more technical than > that? > HETFIELD: > Well on this record, just jammin’ with the guys. Just getting this, I don’t > know, this overwelming of UGGGGH, that. Just UGMMM. Wanting to play and > you’re playing your favourite guitar. Plug it into some amp that sounds SO > GOOD. Turnin’ it WAY UP. Being in your own clubhouse, so you could play as > loud as you want. Just plugging into a new amp, just really gets me > motivated. When the crunch is there, I just write like ten riffs, and it > feels really good. So, that’s not very technical. > [transcribed from video interview on metallica.com website, April 7, 2003] > NI}{ER
Articulate, Make a great prime minister.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> QUESTION: > What is one of your biggest motivations in writing music? I don’t just mean > all the lyrics, but when you write specific riffs, is there any sort of > feeling that you just pour into the guitar, or is it more technical than > that? > HETFIELD: > Well on this record, just jammin’ with the guys. Just getting this, I don’t > know, this overwelming of UGGGGH, that. Just UGMMM. Wanting to play and > you’re playing your favourite guitar. Plug it into some amp that sounds SO > GOOD. Turnin’ it WAY UP. Being in your own clubhouse, so you could play as > loud as you want. Just plugging into a new amp, just really gets me > motivated. When the crunch is there, I just write like ten riffs, and it > feels really good. So, that’s not very technical. > [transcribed from video interview on metallica.com website, April 7, 2003] > NI}{ER
Inspired by a great sounding amp that you can turn up as loud as you want and jam with some bud’s in your own clubhouse….hhmmmm inspiring….. I’m not thier #1 fan, but I’ll be interested to hear what they came up with…may even buy it if the reviews are good. Eric
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> QUESTION: > What is one of your biggest motivations in writing music? I don’t just mean > all the lyrics, but when you write specific riffs, is there any sort of > feeling that you just pour into the guitar, or is it more technical than > that? > HETFIELD: > Well on this record, just jammin’ with the guys. Just getting this, I don’t > know, this overwelming of UGGGGH, that. Just UGMMM. Wanting to play and > you’re playing your favourite guitar. Plug it into some amp that sounds SO > GOOD. Turnin’ it WAY UP. Being in your own clubhouse, so you could play as > loud as you want. Just plugging into a new amp, just really gets me > motivated. When the crunch is there, I just write like ten riffs, and it > feels really good. So, that’s not very technical. > [transcribed from video interview on metallica.com website, April 7, 2003] > NI}{ER
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> QUESTION: > What is one of your biggest motivations in writing music? I don’t just mean > all the lyrics, but when you write specific riffs, is there any sort of > feeling that you just pour into the guitar, or is it more technical than > that? > HETFIELD: > Well on this record, just jammin’ with the guys. Just getting this, I don’t > know, this overwelming of UGGGGH, that. Just UGMMM. Wanting to play and > you’re playing your favourite guitar. Plug it into some amp that sounds SO > GOOD. Turnin’ it WAY UP. Being in your own clubhouse, so you could play as > loud as you want. Just plugging into a new amp, just really gets me > motivated. When the crunch is there, I just write like ten riffs, and it > feels really good. So, that’s not very technical.
Ugggghhh…. Fire….. Baaad !!
That gorgeous woman ended up my gorgeous wife. Not really. I’ll let you use use your horny imagination to picture what happened w her. That night happened long long ago. Rw
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Likewise, about the worst thing I’ve done at a gig is pop the singer in her head with my Alembic Series II (a large bass). She’s gonna crap when my Buzzard (an even bigger bass) arrives. Our singer once accidentally stepped on our guitarist’s multi-FX stomp box mid song. He went from a nice acoustic tone to horrible screaming distortion during a mellow tune. My band’s site: www.strongerthandirt.com
What ever happened to the gorgeous young woman? Yeah, I’m shallow, just interested in the horny parts. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > 1. Decided to use my new acoustic-electric hollow body sgl cutaway bass at a > gig, never having used it before, even at rehearsal. After years and years of > heavy electric basses, just the bizarre feel of wearing this big-assed, yet > light-weight acoustic bass freaked me out so bad that I just forgot what I was > playing and had a rough time making it through the set. Really dumb! > 2. Got lazy one night, Nah…I don’t need to bring a spare bass tonight. Just > the P Bass will be fine. I broke the low E on the 1st note of the 1st song and > had no strings with me. Really dumb! > 3. Got really plastered/smashed at a gig one night. Coming back onstage after > the 1st break, I decided to put out my cigarette in a flash-pot that had > already been ignited in the 1st set. Hey, its already exploded…it’ll be ok. > Its better than mashing out the butt on the stage floor. WRONG–even though the > flash-pot had already ignited, there was flash powder residue still present, > enough to get about a 2 foot flame that burnt my right hand badly. After the > initial shock, I said I was ok and we started the set. About 2 minutes into the > 1st song, our stage lights started geting smaller and smaller and I passed out, > I guess from the pain. Woke up in the basment dressing room with a gorgeous > young woman holding a wet cloth on my forehead. (that part was good) Anyway, > that kind of sobered me up a bit. We took the stage again and I played the rest > if the night dunking my right hand into a bucket of ice about every minute or > so, for 2 more sets. Ok, so this was not a gear goof, but it was REALLY REALLY > REALLY DUMB!
– Neal Pollack Carbondale, CO 81623 "A still tongue fills a wise head." –Blind Jim Brewer
I got it Steve and it was funny. You’re doin’ fine. I don’t have a clue of the name of the club in Wichita. The danger of that pyro stuff in the hands of an drunken road crew is definately a scary thought.We used to just be in fear for our own safety at the time. Never thought about a tragedy like the GW deal happening. That ceiling was so low….what were they thinking? One of my old band mates saw Led Zeppelin in Phoenix one night (I saw the same tour but at the Kingdome) and said that a huge flash pot went off right in front of Page. Said it knocked him backwards. Page was so stoned-out in those days, probably didn’t phase him.
Everybody is Steve to me
In a previous band our roadie plugged my amp’s speaker-out jack into one of its input jacks. There was this weird smell, then… Unit #02582: Endangered Old-Growth Redwood Toothpick Artisans, LLC [TINEOGRTALLC] — I wish outer space guys would conquer the Earth and make people their pets, because I’d like to have one of those little beds with my name on it.
reminds me of the James Hetfield incident a few years ago, where he got his arm and other body parts singed during a Metallica show. Luckily I have no flash pot stories of my own! I did (with the help of a soundman who happened to be a bass player) bring down a big heating pipe in a club in west virginia a few years ago. He had the bass well beyond cranked, and I remember my C# on the A string would produce a loud metallic rattle from somewhere in the ceiling….very ominous sound too, not the usual ceiling rattle. The bass was so loud that I played most of the songs with my right hand on the fingerboard of the bass, with my volume on about halfway. This was a beater Yamaha BBN5 that I used on the road alot too-no fancy electronics or anything-passive nonetheless! I warned him after the soundcheck to lower the bass in the P.A. too, I even warned the club owner! The pipe came crashing down, luckily behind the stage, although it almost clipped the drummers melon. Show went on fine-luckily it was during the summer and the pipe wasn’t being used to heat the club! I also have manged to clip the singer in one of the bands that I work with in the head with the headstock of my Lakland a few times. those damn small stages-oops! hehehe
I was just giving ya a hard time and trying to be funny – which rarely works out for me for some reason. : ) I used to play in a rock band that used those things too. It was the road crew that loved using them, mostly because I think they enjoyed scaring the crap out of all of us guys in the band at the least expected time – dang, who knew they would blow one off during the set’s only ballad??? All of us guys in the band that sang hated em too because they were always giving us soar throats – between those and the stupid fog machine. I can almost taste that gun-powder-y taste in my throat just thinking about them. Hey – what was that club in Wichita called? I may have played there back in the ’80’s. Was it a two-story type deal sorta on the outskirts of town?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Steve that was many years ago. And yes I am right handed and do indeed play > with a pick. I guess I was lucky. My face was certainly in the vicinity, but > luckily I was not feeling curious as I was concerned about the stage carpet. We > did not use the flash stuff all that often. One other time we were playing at a > club in (I think) Wichita, Ks. During the 1st break, I was hanging out in the > parking lot, on what was a very hot humid summer night. All of the sudden I see > a HUGE waft of what I know to be smoke from flash powder, come billowing out of > the door to the parking lot. One of our crew had set the stuff off while arming > the pots for the start of the next set. That flash powder is damn volatile. Its > nothing like the stuff those Great White idiots were using. But as I proved, > dangerous nonetheless.
Steve that was many years ago. And yes I am right handed and do indeed play with a pick. I guess I was lucky. My face was certainly in the vicinity, but luckily I was not feeling curious as I was concerned about the stage carpet. We did not use the flash stuff all that often. One other time we were playing at a club in (I think) Wichita, Ks. During the 1st break, I was hanging out in the parking lot, on what was a very hot humid summer night. All of the sudden I see a HUGE waft of what I know to be smoke from flash powder, come billowing out of the door to the parking lot. One of our crew had set the stuff off while arming the pots for the start of the next set. That flash powder is damn volatile. Its nothing like the stuff those Great White idiots were using. But as I proved, dangerous nonetheless.
No that was my dangerous past. My present/future is pretty tame.
Judges’ ruling…….hmmmm, we’ll accept it if he happens to play with a pick and happened to have a pick in his right hand along with the smoke. Oh man, what a story. I’m glad you didn’t stick your face in there to make sure you were putting the smoke all the way out. And I really hope that happened BEFORE the Great White incident or I would have to agree that you do indeed have a perilous future ahead of you.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> *BZZT* – I’m going to need a judge’s ruling on this – #3 doesn’t really > involve your gear….. > (great story though) > — > O< "Pthbt!" > (( > )) > <( ) > Z | > |_ > Steve > 1. Decided to use my new acoustic-electric hollow body sgl cutaway bass at > a > gig, never having used it before, even at rehearsal. After years and years > of > heavy electric basses, just the bizarre feel of wearing this big-assed, > yet > light-weight acoustic bass freaked me out so bad that I just forgot what I > was > playing and had a rough time making it through the set. Really dumb! > 2. Got lazy one night, Nah…I don’t need to bring a spare bass tonight. > Just > the P Bass will be fine. I broke the low E on the 1st note of the 1st song > and > had no strings with me. Really dumb! > 3. Got really plastered/smashed at a gig one night. Coming back onstage > after > the 1st break, I decided to put out my cigarette in a flash-pot that had > already been ignited in the 1st set. Hey, its already exploded…it’ll be > ok. > Its better than mashing out the butt on the stage floor. WRONG–even > though the > flash-pot had already ignited, there was flash powder residue still > present, > enough to get about a 2 foot flame that burnt my right hand badly. After > the > initial shock, I said I was ok and we started the set. About 2 minutes > into the > 1st song, our stage lights started geting smaller and smaller and I passed > out, > I guess from the pain. Woke up in the basment dressing room with a > gorgeous > young woman holding a wet cloth on my forehead. (that part was good) > Anyway, > that kind of sobered me up a bit. We took the stage again and I played the > rest > if the night dunking my right hand into a bucket of ice about every minute > or > so, for 2 more sets. Ok, so this was not a gear goof, but it was REALLY > REALLY > REALLY DUMB!
You have a dangerous future ahead of you.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> 1. Decided to use my new acoustic-electric hollow body sgl cutaway bass at a > gig, never having used it before, even at rehearsal. After years and years of > heavy electric basses, just the bizarre feel of wearing this big-assed, yet > light-weight acoustic bass freaked me out so bad that I just forgot what I was > playing and had a rough time making it through the set. Really dumb! > 2. Got lazy one night, Nah…I don’t need to bring a spare bass tonight. Just > the P Bass will be fine. I broke the low E on the 1st note of the 1st song and > had no strings with me. Really dumb! > 3. Got really plastered/smashed at a gig one night. Coming back onstage after > the 1st break, I decided to put out my cigarette in a flash-pot that had > already been ignited in the 1st set. Hey, its already exploded…it’ll be ok. > Its better than mashing out the butt on the stage floor. WRONG–even though the > flash-pot had already ignited, there was flash powder residue still present, > enough to get about a 2 foot flame that burnt my right hand badly. After the > initial shock, I said I was ok and we started the set. About 2 minutes into the > 1st song, our stage lights started geting smaller and smaller and I passed out, > I guess from the pain. Woke up in the basment dressing room with a gorgeous > young woman holding a wet cloth on my forehead. (that part was good) Anyway, > that kind of sobered me up a bit. We took the stage again and I played the rest > if the night dunking my right hand into a bucket of ice about every minute or > so, for 2 more sets. Ok, so this was not a gear goof, but it was REALLY REALLY > REALLY DUMB!
*BZZT* – I’m going to need a judge’s ruling on this – #3 doesn’t really involve your gear….. (great story though) — O< "Pthbt!" (( )) <( ) Z | |_ Steve
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> 1. Decided to use my new acoustic-electric hollow body sgl cutaway bass at a > gig, never having used it before, even at rehearsal. After years and years of > heavy electric basses, just the bizarre feel of wearing this big-assed, yet > light-weight acoustic bass freaked me out so bad that I just forgot what I was > playing and had a rough time making it through the set. Really dumb! > 2. Got lazy one night, Nah…I don’t need to bring a spare bass tonight. Just > the P Bass will be fine. I broke the low E on the 1st note of the 1st song and > had no strings with me. Really dumb! > 3. Got really plastered/smashed at a gig one night. Coming back onstage after > the 1st break, I decided to put out my cigarette in a flash-pot that had > already been ignited in the 1st set. Hey, its already exploded…it’ll be ok. > Its better than mashing out the butt on the stage floor. WRONG–even though the > flash-pot had already ignited, there was flash powder residue still present, > enough to get about a 2 foot flame that burnt my right hand badly. After the > initial shock, I said I was ok and we started the set. About 2 minutes into the > 1st song, our stage lights started geting smaller and smaller and I passed out, > I guess from the pain. Woke up in the basment dressing room with a gorgeous > young woman holding a wet cloth on my forehead. (that part was good) Anyway, > that kind of sobered me up a bit. We took the stage again and I played the rest > if the night dunking my right hand into a bucket of ice about every minute or > so, for 2 more sets. Ok, so this was not a gear goof, but it was REALLY REALLY > REALLY DUMB!
1. Decided to use my new acoustic-electric hollow body sgl cutaway bass at a gig, never having used it before, even at rehearsal. After years and years of heavy electric basses, just the bizarre feel of wearing this big-assed, yet light-weight acoustic bass freaked me out so bad that I just forgot what I was playing and had a rough time making it through the set. Really dumb! 2. Got lazy one night, Nah…I don’t need to bring a spare bass tonight. Just the P Bass will be fine. I broke the low E on the 1st note of the 1st song and had no strings with me. Really dumb! 3. Got really plastered/smashed at a gig one night. Coming back onstage after the 1st break, I decided to put out my cigarette in a flash-pot that had already been ignited in the 1st set. Hey, its already exploded…it’ll be ok. Its better than mashing out the butt on the stage floor. WRONG–even though the flash-pot had already ignited, there was flash powder residue still present, enough to get about a 2 foot flame that burnt my right hand badly. After the initial shock, I said I was ok and we started the set. About 2 minutes into the 1st song, our stage lights started geting smaller and smaller and I passed out, I guess from the pain. Woke up in the basment dressing room with a gorgeous young woman holding a wet cloth on my forehead. (that part was good) Anyway, that kind of sobered me up a bit. We took the stage again and I played the rest if the night dunking my right hand into a bucket of ice about every minute or so, for 2 more sets. Ok, so this was not a gear goof, but it was REALLY REALLY REALLY DUMB!