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>I cut my teeth on all of these bands.
They hate it when you chew on them….
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I don’t know if you misunderstood, but my Neil reference was towards the criticism that keyboards players always received if they played solos and were a very visible part of the band. No critic ever thought Neils 8 minute one-note guitar solo in "Southern Man" was musical masturbation, but anything Wakeman or Emerson did was. A keyboard player should be hidden in the back of the band. At least, in the majority of their eyes. And yes, Emerson’s antics were frowned upon while Townsend was lauded for his. Also, Emerson was very early on with his antics. ‘67 with the Nice. Actually before Hendrix’s act. Funny because Townsend’s was pure adolescent violence and Hendrix’s was love, to a degree. Emerson’s was in-between. Rape comes to mind. You’re right, he would get 15 to life! And I am sure that Emerson would tip his hat to Townsend’s ground breaking act. It was the "Isle of Wight" Festival. I believe it was their 2nd or 3rd gig. Wes Taggart
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As far as musical masturbation goes, I think Neil Young’s guitar-playing > is > at the top of the heap. I will never dispute his songwriting abilities, > but > 8 minutes of the same bent note is pushing way beyond. I don’t see Emerson > pushing out beyond where any guitar player like Van Halen or others have > gone. > Emerson has any guitar player beat in that no matter how good a guitarist > is, Emerson played a Moog synthesizer. I’ll take one note on a Moog to a > million notes from any guitar player. > In fact, I would hazard to say that Van Halen is farther into the many > notes-to-a-bar arena. Difference is that Emerson strode into a guitar > dominated world. Mucho no-no for many in the rock music jury pool. > Yes, and he did it like a guitarist complete with trashing instruments and > playing them in awkward positions. I saw a movie of early ELP at some > festival (I think it was their first major gig…was that Woodstock? > Monterey?..) and if Emerson ever had a woman in a position like he had that > keyboard he would be brought up on crimes against nature charges. > Mike Sandler > www.ampcast.com/michaelsandler
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Mike Sandler wrote > Vocals: Ian Gillian vs Jon Anderson > or: David Coverdale vs Jon Anderson >That’s a tough one. Gillan is very strong and is not stained by that >hippy-dippy New Age vibe Anderson gives off..but man is Anderson’s voice a >wonder to hear. It’s one of those voices where you feel disappointed when he >stops singing.
Really? I thought he had one of those voices where you feel disappointed when he starts singing. Jarl Sigurd to listen to vocals that sound nothing like Jon Anderson, visit http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098
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>> >Vocals: Ian Gillian vs Jon Anderson > >or: David Coverdale vs Jon Anderson > Ian Gillian has a first name that causes certain questions about his > sexual orientation. David Coverdale is fantastic at lawn maintenance. > Jon Anderson sounds like a warbling gerbil. >Mmmmm…… Ian Gillian …… Jon Anderson….. >Aaaaaaah…!!! Gillian Anderson.
And she’s a singer too… Didn’t she do vocals on a track by Hal? I used to have an MP3 with it… but can’t seem to find it anymore.
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>> >Vocals: Ian Gillian vs Jon Anderson > >or: David Coverdale vs Jon Anderson > Ian Gillian has a first name that causes certain questions about his > sexual orientation. David Coverdale is fantastic at lawn maintenance. > Jon Anderson sounds like a warbling gerbil. >Mmmmm…… Ian Gillian …… Jon Anderson….. >Aaaaaaah…!!! Gillian Anderson.
Here it is: http://www.thei.aust.com/music3/pow55.html
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Dear God, you are kidding, right ? >To even put the names of the guys in Deep Purple beside the names of >the musicians of YES is absurd. I don’t mean to imply that the Deep >Purple guy’s couldn’t play – they could and quite well. Jon Lord is an >excellent Hammond player and Richie Blackmore is a smokin’ thrash >guitar-type. But the guys from YES are on an entirely different plane >of musicianship. There really is no guitar player (now or ever) that >could stand up to Steve Howe. And while Wakeman is often guilty of >terrible musical masturbation, the YES albums he played on in the 70’s >displayed a level of musicianship unparalled in keyboard terms. Chris >Squire is (next to Jaco) simply the best bass player to ever approach >the instrument. Now Jon Anderson – ok as singers go but being the mind >behind the best of the YES melodies, he is undeniably a genius. Just >listen to Olias of Sunhillow if you need proof. >I’m sorry but there simply is NO comparision between YES and Deep >Purple. Geez, at least compare Genesis if you want to have a >discussion… >JD
YES – dodgy keyboard prog rock Deep Purple – funk metal. Cool. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->If you had to compare them as individual musicians, how would the >classic lineups of Deep Purple from the 70’s compare with the classic >lineups of Yes in the 1970’s? Who is the better musician in each category? >Guitar: Richie Blackmore vs Steve Howe >Drums: Ian Paice vs Bill Bruford >Keyboards: John Lord vs Rick Wakeman >Bass: Roger Glover vs Chris Squire >or: Glen Hughes vs Chris Squire >Vocals: Ian Gillian vs Jon Anderson >or: David Coverdale vs Jon Anderson >Jarl Sigurd >to listen to my first 3 attempts at composing Heavy Metal Music, >visit: http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098
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>I don’t know if you misunderstood, but my Neil reference was towards the >criticism that keyboards players always received if they played solos and >were a very visible part of the band. No critic ever thought Neils 8 minute >one-note guitar solo in "Southern Man" was musical masturbation, but >anything Wakeman or Emerson did was. A keyboard player should be hidden in >the back of the band. At least, in the majority of their eyes.
Wow, now that just goes to show how one man’s garbage is another man’s gold. The guitar solo in Southern Man by Neil Young is, to me, one of the all-time best guitar solos ever recorded. It is perfect in the context of the song, which is the trick that most players miss most of the time. Sure, it’s sloppy but that doesn’t mean it is bad. It is a beautiful slopiness. Sure, it is centered around just a few notes but I’d rather hear one note played 10 times if it is the right note. The way the tempo changes during the solo and moves to double-time and the way Neil reacts to that with his solo is just excellent. I FEEL that guitar solo more than anything someone who would have played 1000 notes in that space could ever make me feel (except boredom) .But then, that song (and the entire After The Goldrush album) has always meant alot to me. I picked up on it when I was 16 (1972) and when I was just learning how to play guitar and I used to spend hours trying to learn to play like Neil Young AND Steve Howe. Just goes to show – there are many different ways to be a great guitar player and alot of it comes from knowing how to play the right thing in the right places at the right time. JD
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I cut my teeth on all of these bands. Pitting one band or player against another like it was a contest is just plain dumb. It was all good at that time. I liked "Burn" I liked "Siberian Khatru". Both cool songs, both cool bands…not much in common between the two. Can’ t we all just get along? Cheers, Rw
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My point is that it is as much musical masturbation as anyone else playing for 8 minutes. 8 minute guitar solo is fantastic to the critics, 8 minute keyboard solo is musical masturbation. Neil is a great song writer and if he wanted to do the one note solo in one song that would be fine for me. In every song puts you into the "just want to hear myself" league. Again I am pushing for equal judgement. This not whether Neil is better than Clapton or minute solo is ok for the goose, then it should be ok for the gander. I personally love the long version of "Whipping Post" which would be, by any standard, filled with wankery. And if you go song by song, I think you will find that ELP had more "short" pieces than Yes. Maybe that makes Yes private school wank rock vs public. Maybe there is the desire to have your music more aloof and uptown. Wes
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I don’t know if you misunderstood, but my Neil reference was towards the >criticism that keyboards players always received if they played solos and >were a very visible part of the band. No critic ever thought Neils 8 minute >one-note guitar solo in "Southern Man" was musical masturbation, but >anything Wakeman or Emerson did was. A keyboard player should be hidden in >the back of the band. At least, in the majority of their eyes. > Wow, now that just goes to show how one man’s garbage is another man’s > gold. The guitar solo in Southern Man by Neil Young is, to me, one of > the all-time best guitar solos ever recorded. It is perfect in the > context of the song, which is the trick that most players miss most of > the time. Sure, it’s sloppy but that doesn’t mean it is bad. It is a > beautiful slopiness. Sure, it is centered around just a few notes but > I’d rather hear one note played 10 times if it is the right note. The > way the tempo changes during the solo and moves to double-time and the > way Neil reacts to that with his solo is just excellent. I FEEL that > guitar solo more than anything someone who would have played 1000 > notes in that space could ever make me feel (except boredom) .But > then, that song (and the entire After The Goldrush album) has always > meant alot to me. I picked up on it when I was 16 (1972) and when I > was just learning how to play guitar and I used to spend hours trying > to learn to play like Neil Young AND Steve Howe. Just goes to show – > there are many different ways to be a great guitar player and alot of > it comes from knowing how to play the right thing in the right places > at the right time. > JD
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Last I checked, Deep Purple was up 3-2 going into the 3rd period. Adam
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heh she’s leaving Xfiles next year y’know.. :-(
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Vocals: Ian Gillian vs Jon Anderson > >or: David Coverdale vs Jon Anderson > Ian Gillian has a first name that causes certain questions about his > sexual orientation. David Coverdale is fantastic at lawn maintenance. > Jon Anderson sounds like a warbling gerbil. > Mmmmm…… Ian Gillian …… Jon Anderson….. > Aaaaaaah…!!! Gillian Anderson. > Stuart.
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FWIW……While I have long since mastered the bass parts to "Rouindabout"….I can’t say the same for "Smoke On The Water"…That sixth note throws me every time.. Hawkeye
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How about: Guitar: Richie Blackmore Guitar: Steve Howe Guitar: Robert Fripp Drums: Bill Bruford Drums: Carl Palmer Organ: John Lord Organ: Rod Argent Synth: Rick Wakeman Synth: Keith Emerson Bass: Chris Squire Bass: Tony Levin Vocals: Ian Gillian Vocals: Jon Anderson Flute: Ian Anderson Shakuhachi Samples: Peter Gabriel Front Cover: Roger Dean Inner Cover: H.R. Geiger and the London Philharmonic Orchestra.
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> If you had to compare them as individual musicians, how would the > classic lineups of Deep Purple from the 70’s compare with the classic > lineups of Yes in the 1970’s? Who is the better musician in each category? > Guitar: Richie Blackmore vs Steve Howe
Howe…much more versatile even though he has that gawdawful tone. > Drums: Ian Paice vs Bill Bruford
Bruford is God. Any questions? > Keyboards: John Lord vs Rick Wakeman
Wakeman is more versatile. > Bass: Roger Glover vs Chris Squire > or: Glen Hughes vs Chris Squire
Again, I go with Yes. > Vocals: Ian Gillian vs Jon Anderson > or: David Coverdale vs Jon Anderson
That’s a tough one. Gillan is very strong and is not stained by that hippy-dippy New Age vibe Anderson gives off..but man is Anderson’s voice a wonder to hear. It’s one of those voices where you feel disappointed when he stops singing. Mike Sandler www.ampcast.com/michaelsandler
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>> If you had to compare them as individual musicians, how would the > classic lineups of Deep Purple from the 70’s compare with the classic > lineups of Yes in the 1970’s? Who is the better musician in each >category?
Seems to me that they had entirely different specialties. How do you compare them? They were not rival bands. What’s the point? Herman’s Hermits outsold the Beatles worldwide one year (1966). We ought to compare them. Edward G. ‘It’s not a gang; it’s a club.’
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YO! It’s JARL again….. AND – HE’S CROSSPOSTING!!! Jarl, please stick to one newsgroup for your trolling. While you’re at it, please compare the roofing tiles on my house with the sound of a 1943 Indian motorcycle. I’m sure your opinion would help me decide. — Ed Edwards Leader: Ezekiel’s Wheel