An American Way of War: Torture, Rape, Murder

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> As usual, when faced with overwhelming evidence, these types resort to > tangent drivel. "But..But.. what about so an so?"

You’re right. When faced with overwhelming evidence, of the suicide murder of innocents and beheading of "hostages" the predictable cry from the Islam

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As usual, when faced with overwhelming evidence, these types resort to tangent drivel. "But..But.. what about so an so?" — The Best in Message Board Discussions http://www.comicboards.org/religion

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So what the fuck do you call that bull shit your islamic swine brothers > do? If that is not fucking torture and coceit then you are a lying sack of > shit to. > You mother fuckers are just a whining bunch of ass holes who love to kill. > You justify it through your bull shit islamic names you give these causes, > but in the end you nothing more than a bunch of muderous thieves and > con-artists. You are the ones going to burn in hell, not the rest of the > world, you are the one sacrficing your children and are the falses > prophets spoke of in your guiding book the Quarn, Koran or however it > spelled. > You have not seen the vengence of America until you try to take our > country away like you buddies did to Kuwait and Iraq. We are armed and > will repeal your invasion attempts. > By the way those assholes had it coming to them, the Army performed all > those bullshit trials for world opinion, but most Americans felt those > asshole prisoners got off light compared to the victims of islam. At least > they are alive so the ACLU and the rest of the liberal mother fuckers can > sue the US Government to get their respect back with tidy sums of money. > The people who got their heads cut off can’t get a damn thing back. > So take your bull shit and shove-it, crawl back into your Jihad cave and > die when the bombs fall. > An American Way of War: Torture, Rape, Murder > The photographs of US soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners have become > symbols of American conceit, American hypocrisy and American > brutality. The folly of the Iraq adventure seems to be summed up by > pyres of naked, bound and hooded men smiled over by the missionaries > of American democracy. More than one right wing commentator in the > United States has likened these acts to college pranks. > http://www.counterpunch.org/siegfried06052004.html

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So what the fuck do you call that bull shit your islamic swine brothers do? If that is not fucking torture and coceit then you are a lying sack of shit to. You mother fuckers are just a whining bunch of ass holes who love to kill. You justify it through your bull shit islamic names you give these causes, but in the end you nothing more than a bunch of muderous thieves and con-artists. You are the ones going to burn in hell, not the rest of the world, you are the one sacrficing your children and are the falses prophets spoke of in your guiding book the Quarn, Koran or however it spelled. You have not seen the vengence of America until you try to take our country away like you buddies did to Kuwait and Iraq. We are armed and will repeal your invasion attempts. By the way those assholes had it coming to them, the Army performed all those bullshit trials for world opinion, but most Americans felt those asshole prisoners got off light compared to the victims of islam. At least they are alive so the ACLU and the rest of the liberal mother fuckers can sue the US Government to get their respect back with tidy sums of money. The people who got their heads cut off can’t get a damn thing back. So take your bull shit and shove-it, crawl back into your Jihad cave and die when the bombs fall.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> An American Way of War: Torture, Rape, Murder > The photographs of US soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners have become > symbols of American conceit, American hypocrisy and American > brutality. The folly of the Iraq adventure seems to be summed up by > pyres of naked, bound and hooded men smiled over by the missionaries > of American democracy. More than one right wing commentator in the > United States has likened these acts to college pranks. > http://www.counterpunch.org/siegfried06052004.html

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An American Way of War: Torture, Rape, Murder The photographs of US soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners have become symbols of American conceit, American hypocrisy and American brutality. The folly of the Iraq adventure seems to be summed up by pyres of naked, bound and hooded men smiled over by the missionaries of American democracy. More than one right wing commentator in the United States has likened these acts to college pranks. http://www.counterpunch.org/siegfried06052004.html

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‘Journalists from outside were able to visit places in Iraq where prisoners of Saddam Hussein’s regime had been held. When the Kurds captured Kirkuk, Gwynne Roberts described a visit: ‘ ‘The Kurds guided me into the pitch-black vaults of the security building used as a torture centre. In one cell pieces of human flesh -ear lobes -were nailed to the wall, and blood spattered the ceiling. A large metal fan hung from the ceiling and my guide told me prisoners were attached to the fan and beaten with clubs as they twirled. There were hooks in the ceiling used to suspend victims. A torture victim told me that prisoners were also crucified, nails driven through their hands into the wall. A favourite technique was to hang men from the hooks and attach a heavy weight to their testicles. ‘ ‘These reports were rightly front-page news, but that was partly because Saddam Hussein was the enemy in the Gulf War. The appalling nature of his regime was highly visible and the world was ready to listen to such accounts. For years Amnesty International and others had been reporting similar tortures in Iraq, with little resulting publicity. ‘ ‘And from Kuwait, soon after the Iraqis were driven out, came reports that it was the turn of Palestinians to be tortured. Victims of the new wave of torture were interviewed in Farwaniya Hospital. One Palestinian had half his body ‘1 was tortured with electrical shocks. I became paralysed. ..I was held by an intelligence unit. ..I do not know what is my destiny. I was captured only because I am a Palestinian. They threw me in this hospital. I want to get out of here…out of Kuwait…Please help me. ‘ One thing is clear from this. Cruelty infects the victims like a virus. It spreads itself, transmits itself through violence and anger aimed at the original perpetrator, you can become the perpetrator as well. Cruelty enhances domination. In domination there is safety. Saddam Hussein and others like him are perpetually concerned with personal safety, at the same time as they undermine it by greater and greater acts of cruelty.

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THIS DOES NOT HOLD A CANDLE TO THE GRUESOME BARBARIC ACTS OF THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST WHO EVIDENTLY SPEAK FOR THERE RELIGION SINCE NO ONE ELSE SPEAKS UP!!!!!

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> No idea, how’s this relevant to the thread ? > LOL, That one flew right over his head…

So how is the war on drugs relevant to the "war on islam" ? Please explain so that a feeble intellect like mine can be enlightened. I await your wisdom..

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> No idea, how’s this relevant to the thread ?

LOL, That one flew right over his head…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message > > > > > > > > > The truth doesn’t bother me; it’s the gross hypocrisy. I > > > believe > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > example would be a Mafia hit man expressing indignation > about > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > stealing a pack of gum. > > > > > > > > Mafia is the right word too. Both the Mafia and Islam says "We > can > > > do > > > > > > > > anything we want to you but don’t dare touch us–An attack on > one > > > is > > > > > > > > an attack on the whole family" > > > > > > > Two office buildings get knocked down in Manhattan and suddenly > it’s > > > a > > > > > war > > > > > > for > > > > > > > Civilization. How does that differ from "an attack on one is > an > > > attack > > > > > > on the > > > > > > > whole family"? > > > > > > I believe it was many, including religious figures, in the Muslim > > > world > > > > > who > > > > > > incorrectly declared the US attack on Afghanistan was a war > against > > > Islam > > > > > > that created the impression. The general lack of assistance from > > > Islamic > > > > > > countries in apprehending the perpetrators of 9/11and seeming > support > > > > > > (Palestinians dancing in the streets) did little to eliminate the > > > > > impression > > > > > > that Islam is a all-for-one and one-for-all religion. Besides, if > all > > > > > your > > > > > > concept is that it was only two office buildings being knocked > down > > > then I > > > > > > suppose it is a deadend discussion. The enormity of the crime, > using > > > four > > > > > > airliners filled with innocent people, to advance one groups > personal > > > > > agenda > > > > > > is beyond belief even of a jaded America. It would have been far > > > worse > > > > > had > > > > > > all four jet liners accomplished their primary objective. Add > this to > > > the > > > > > > many previous attacks occurring for years against embassies and > other > > > > > > innocent civilians with the sole intent of hurting non Muslim > > > countries. > > > > > > You can disagree but the idea of a religious war is a one sided > issue. > > > > > For > > > > > > the most part, Americans and other Westerners could care less what > > > your > > > > > > religious belief is. It is Muslims who can’t seem to understand > or > > > accept > > > > > > that life and goodness can occur under any other government than > one > > > > > under > > > > > > Islamic Law. > > > > > ..And besides, if it truely WAS a war on Islam then Islam would no > > > longer > > > > > exist, simple as that. > > > > How’s that ‘War on Drugs’ going by the way? > > > No idea, how’s this relevant to the thread ? > > It speaks to the past success and future wisdom of waging war on things > like > > desired drugs or religions. Beyond the strained equivalence of "religion > is > > the opiate of the masses", making war on a religion usually means the > religion > > wins. > > In other words, it is relevant to this thread because "if it truely WAS a > war on > > Islam" then you would likely no longer exist. Certainly your way of life > would > > be destroyed and your civilization corroded and weakened. > But the whole point is, it ISN’T a war on Islam !!! > Some of the attack dogs in this newsgroup and neocon media seem to indicate that > it is. Trying to mute this sort of message makes strategic sense, it gives you > an advantage if the "enemy" doesn’t know you are attacking them, but it would be > prudent for Islam to assume it is under attack given the rhetoric floating > around.

Why would it be prudent ? If you assume that you are under attack then you are going to start behaving towards the west as if you WERE under attack and that is not the case. Western tolerance is a pretty fickle thing, over the last 50 years western europe and the US have become pretty peaceful and tolerant areas of the world, but if Islam decides that it is at war with the west then sooner or later an Islamic extremist will perform an atrocity that dwarfs 9/11. This would be a very bad thing for Islam, you’ve seen islamophobia grow hugely after 9/11, if Islamic terrorists destroy a western city and the people in the middle east all applaud then what do you think the west will do ? > Can you give any recent examples of religion winning when a war has been > fought against it ? > Holocaust. Utah. Iraq (Saddam was a secularist and the country may become > Shiite).

Holocaust, I assume you mean WW2. This wasn’t a war against a religion this was a war against nazism. Utah ????? When ? I know american history fairly well and I’m pretty sure the Mormons have never faught any wars.. Iraq was UK/US destroying Saddam’s evil, a shiite takeover is not a given deal yet, they may end up with a lot more influence but not all power. > How recent is "recent"? Rome.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > message > > > > > > > > > > The truth doesn’t bother me; it’s the gross hypocrisy. > I > > > > believe > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > example would be a Mafia hit man expressing indignation > > about > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > stealing a pack of gum. > > > > > > > > > Mafia is the right word too. Both the Mafia and Islam says > "We > > can > > > > do > > > > > > > > > anything we want to you but don’t dare touch us–An attack > on > > one > > > > is > > > > > > > > > an attack on the whole family" > > > > > > > > Two office buildings get knocked down in Manhattan and > suddenly > > it’s > > > > a > > > > > > war > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > Civilization. How does that differ from "an attack on one > is > > an > > > > attack > > > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > whole family"? > > > > > > > I believe it was many, including religious figures, in the > Muslim > > > > world > > > > > > who > > > > > > > incorrectly declared the US attack on Afghanistan was a war > > against > > > > Islam > > > > > > > that created the impression. The general lack of assistance > from > > > > Islamic > > > > > > > countries in apprehending the perpetrators of 9/11and seeming > > support > > > > > > > (Palestinians dancing in the streets) did little to eliminate > the > > > > > > impression > > > > > > > that Islam is a all-for-one and one-for-all religion. > Besides, if > > all > > > > > > your > > > > > > > concept is that it was only two office buildings being knocked > > down > > > > then I > > > > > > > suppose it is a deadend discussion. The enormity of the > crime, > > using > > > > four > > > > > > > airliners filled with innocent people, to advance one groups > > personal > > > > > > agenda > > > > > > > is beyond belief even of a jaded America. It would have been > far > > > > worse > > > > > > had > > > > > > > all four jet liners accomplished their primary objective. Add > > this to > > > > the > > > > > > > many previous attacks occurring for years against embassies > and > > other > > > > > > > innocent civilians with the sole intent of hurting non Muslim > > > > countries. > > > > > > > You can disagree but the idea of a religious war is a one > sided > > issue. > > > > > > For > > > > > > > the most part, Americans and other Westerners could care less > what > > > > your > > > > > > > religious belief is. It is Muslims who can’t seem to > understand > > or > > > > accept > > > > > > > that life and goodness can occur under any other government > than > > one > > > > > > under > > > > > > > Islamic Law. > > > > > > ..And besides, if it truely WAS a war on Islam then Islam would > no > > > > longer > > > > > > exist, simple as that. > > > > > How’s that ‘War on Drugs’ going by the way? > > > > No idea, how’s this relevant to the thread ? > > > It speaks to the past success and future wisdom of waging war on > things > > like > > > desired drugs or religions. Beyond the strained equivalence of > "religion > > is > > > the opiate of the masses", making war on a religion usually means the > > religion > > > wins. > > > In other words, it is relevant to this thread because "if it truely > WAS a > > war on > > > Islam" then you would likely no longer exist. Certainly your way of > life > > would > > > be destroyed and your civilization corroded and weakened. > > But the whole point is, it ISN’T a war on Islam !!! > Some of the attack dogs in this newsgroup and neocon media seem to > indicate that > it is. Trying to mute this sort of message makes strategic sense, it > gives you > an advantage if the "enemy" doesn’t know you are attacking them, but it > would be > prudent for Islam to assume it is under attack given the rhetoric floating > around. > I’m sorry but you are flat out incorrect.

Um, it is prudent for Islam to assume it is under attack and adopt the appropriate defensive postures. That’s just plain logic. > I doubt if you could find one > source where the US states it is a war on Islam but there are hundreds in > which Muslims state it is a war on Islam.

Incorrect. There are "sources" on both sides with say it is a war on Islam. Unless you have a very elastic definition of "source" that changes its meaning when being applied to either the US or Muslims. > Unless, of course, you are saying > Islam is equivilent to terrorism then I would have to agree with your > position.

Terrorism is a tactic Jeff. Islam is a religion. They can’t be equivalent. > Granted, many Muslims may have a perception that there is a war > against Islam but I believe that says a lot about Islamic thinking.

As it is a prudent posture it says something about logical thinking as well. > David > Koresh (the Waco, Texas debaucle) is an excellent example of the leader of a > group creating paranoia among its adherents and having his followers > believing.

And was Koresh’s paranoia somewhat justified? What happened to him by the way? > Perceptions can be confusing. Funny me when I view or hear > about a group of people beheading someone while the perpetuators are yelling > Allah Akbar,

How about shooting civilians while heavy metal music blares from speakers? > or that group takes the word Crusade to mean something other > than an identifier,

Like "mercenary" being only an identifier? > or when a suicide attack causes the deaths of children > with the gleeful yells of Allah Akbar accompanied by dancing in the streets, > the pursuit of known terrorist causes outrage from Islamic leaders from > countries not even on that continent and you tell me it is not a one sided > religious war.

It’s at least two sided Jeff – as your rant indicates. So, as I say, it is prudent for Islam to assume it is under attack. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Can you give any recent examples of religion winning when a war has been > > fought against it ? > Holocaust. Utah. Iraq (Saddam was a secularist and the country may > become > Shiite). > How recent is "recent"? Rome.

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I’m sorry but you are flat out incorrect. I doubt if you could find one source where the US states it is a war on Islam but there are hundreds in which Muslims state it is a war on Islam. Unless, of course, you are saying Islam is equivilent to terrorism then I would have to agree with your position. Granted, many Muslims may have a perception that there is a war against Islam but I believe that says a lot about Islamic thinking. David Koresh (the Waco, Texas debaucle) is an excellent example of the leader of a group creating paranoia among its adherents and having his followers believing. Perceptions can be confusing. Funny me when I view or hear about a group of people beheading someone while the perpetuators are yelling Allah Akbar, or that group takes the word Crusade to mean something other than an identifier, or when a suicide attack causes the deaths of children with the gleeful yells of Allah Akbar accompanied by dancing in the streets, the pursuit of known terrorist causes outrage from Islamic leaders from countries not even on that continent and you tell me it is not a one sided religious war. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Can you give any recent examples of religion winning when a war has been > fought against it ? > Holocaust. Utah. Iraq (Saddam was a secularist and the country may become > Shiite). > How recent is "recent"? Rome.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > > > > > The truth doesn’t bother me; it’s the gross hypocrisy. I > > believe > > > > > another > > > > > > > > example would be a Mafia hit man expressing indignation > about > > > > someone > > > > > > > > stealing a pack of gum. > > > > > > > Mafia is the right word too. Both the Mafia and Islam says "We > can > > do > > > > > > > anything we want to you but don’t dare touch us–An attack on > one > > is > > > > > > > an attack on the whole family" > > > > > > Two office buildings get knocked down in Manhattan and suddenly > it’s > > a > > > > war > > > > > for > > > > > > Civilization. How does that differ from "an attack on one is > an > > attack > > > > > on the > > > > > > whole family"? > > > > > I believe it was many, including religious figures, in the Muslim > > world > > > > who > > > > > incorrectly declared the US attack on Afghanistan was a war > against > > Islam > > > > > that created the impression. The general lack of assistance from > > Islamic > > > > > countries in apprehending the perpetrators of 9/11and seeming > support > > > > > (Palestinians dancing in the streets) did little to eliminate the > > > > impression > > > > > that Islam is a all-for-one and one-for-all religion. Besides, if > all > > > > your > > > > > concept is that it was only two office buildings being knocked > down > > then I > > > > > suppose it is a deadend discussion. The enormity of the crime, > using > > four > > > > > airliners filled with innocent people, to advance one groups > personal > > > > agenda > > > > > is beyond belief even of a jaded America. It would have been far > > worse > > > > had > > > > > all four jet liners accomplished their primary objective. Add > this to > > the > > > > > many previous attacks occurring for years against embassies and > other > > > > > innocent civilians with the sole intent of hurting non Muslim > > countries. > > > > > You can disagree but the idea of a religious war is a one sided > issue. > > > > For > > > > > the most part, Americans and other Westerners could care less what > > your > > > > > religious belief is. It is Muslims who can’t seem to understand > or > > accept > > > > > that life and goodness can occur under any other government than > one > > > > under > > > > > Islamic Law. > > > > ..And besides, if it truely WAS a war on Islam then Islam would no > > longer > > > > exist, simple as that. > > > How’s that ‘War on Drugs’ going by the way? > > No idea, how’s this relevant to the thread ? > It speaks to the past success and future wisdom of waging war on things > like > desired drugs or religions. Beyond the strained equivalence of "religion > is > the opiate of the masses", making war on a religion usually means the > religion > wins. > In other words, it is relevant to this thread because "if it truely WAS a > war on > Islam" then you would likely no longer exist. Certainly your way of life > would > be destroyed and your civilization corroded and weakened. > But the whole point is, it ISN’T a war on Islam !!!

Some of the attack dogs in this newsgroup and neocon media seem to indicate that it is. Trying to mute this sort of message makes strategic sense, it gives you an advantage if the "enemy" doesn’t know you are attacking them, but it would be prudent for Islam to assume it is under attack given the rhetoric floating around. > Can you give any recent examples of religion winning when a war has been > fought against it ?

Holocaust. Utah. Iraq (Saddam was a secularist and the country may become Shiite). How recent is "recent"? Rome. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > > > > The truth doesn’t bother me; it’s the gross hypocrisy. I > believe > > > > another > > > > > > > example would be a Mafia hit man expressing indignation about > > > someone > > > > > > > stealing a pack of gum. > > > > > > Mafia is the right word too. Both the Mafia and Islam says "We can > do > > > > > > anything we want to you but don’t dare touch us–An attack on one > is > > > > > > an attack on the whole family" > > > > > Two office buildings get knocked down in Manhattan and suddenly it’s > a > > > war > > > > for > > > > > Civilization. How does that differ from "an attack on one is an > attack > > > > on the > > > > > whole family"? > > > > I believe it was many, including religious figures, in the Muslim > world > > > who > > > > incorrectly declared the US attack on Afghanistan was a war against > Islam > > > > that created the impression. The general lack of assistance from > Islamic > > > > countries in apprehending the perpetrators of 9/11and seeming support > > > > (Palestinians dancing in the streets) did little to eliminate the > > > impression > > > > that Islam is a all-for-one and one-for-all religion. Besides, if all > > > your > > > > concept is that it was only two office buildings being knocked down > then I > > > > suppose it is a deadend discussion. The enormity of the crime, using > four > > > > airliners filled with innocent people, to advance one groups personal > > > agenda > > > > is beyond belief even of a jaded America. It would have been far > worse > > > had > > > > all four jet liners accomplished their primary objective. Add this to > the > > > > many previous attacks occurring for years against embassies and other > > > > innocent civilians with the sole intent of hurting non Muslim > countries. > > > > You can disagree but the idea of a religious war is a one sided issue. > > > For > > > > the most part, Americans and other Westerners could care less what > your > > > > religious belief is. It is Muslims who can’t seem to understand or > accept > > > > that life and goodness can occur under any other government than one > > > under > > > > Islamic Law. > > > ..And besides, if it truely WAS a war on Islam then Islam would no > longer > > > exist, simple as that. > > How’s that ‘War on Drugs’ going by the way? > No idea, how’s this relevant to the thread ? > It speaks to the past success and future wisdom of waging war on things like > desired drugs or religions. Beyond the strained equivalence of "religion is > the opiate of the masses", making war on a religion usually means the religion > wins. > In other words, it is relevant to this thread because "if it truely WAS a war on > Islam" then you would likely no longer exist. Certainly your way of life would > be destroyed and your civilization corroded and weakened.

But the whole point is, it ISN’T a war on Islam !!! Can you give any recent examples of religion winning when a war has been fought against it ?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > > > The truth doesn’t bother me; it’s the gross hypocrisy. I > believe > > > another > > > > > > example would be a Mafia hit man expressing indignation about > > someone > > > > > > stealing a pack of gum. > > > > > Mafia is the right word too. Both the Mafia and Islam says "We can > do > > > > > anything we want to you but don’t dare touch us–An attack on one > is > > > > > an attack on the whole family" > > > > Two office buildings get knocked down in Manhattan and suddenly it’s > a > > war > > > for > > > > Civilization. How does that differ from "an attack on one is an > attack > > > on the > > > > whole family"? > > > I believe it was many, including religious figures, in the Muslim > world > > who > > > incorrectly declared the US attack on Afghanistan was a war against > Islam > > > that created the impression. The general lack of assistance from > Islamic > > > countries in apprehending the perpetrators of 9/11and seeming support > > > (Palestinians dancing in the streets) did little to eliminate the > > impression > > > that Islam is a all-for-one and one-for-all religion. Besides, if all > > your > > > concept is that it was only two office buildings being knocked down > then I > > > suppose it is a deadend discussion. The enormity of the crime, using > four > > > airliners filled with innocent people, to advance one groups personal > > agenda > > > is beyond belief even of a jaded America. It would have been far > worse > > had > > > all four jet liners accomplished their primary objective. Add this to > the > > > many previous attacks occurring for years against embassies and other > > > innocent civilians with the sole intent of hurting non Muslim > countries. > > > You can disagree but the idea of a religious war is a one sided issue. > > For > > > the most part, Americans and other Westerners could care less what > your > > > religious belief is. It is Muslims who can’t seem to understand or > accept > > > that life and goodness can occur under any other government than one > > under > > > Islamic Law. > > ..And besides, if it truely WAS a war on Islam then Islam would no > longer > > exist, simple as that. > How’s that ‘War on Drugs’ going by the way? > No idea, how’s this relevant to the thread ?

It speaks to the past success and future wisdom of waging war on things like desired drugs or religions. Beyond the strained equivalence of "religion is the opiate of the masses", making war on a religion usually means the religion wins. In other words, it is relevant to this thread because "if it truely WAS a war on Islam" then you would likely no longer exist. Certainly your way of life would be destroyed and your civilization corroded and weakened.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > > The truth doesn’t bother me; it’s the gross hypocrisy. I believe > > another > > > > > example would be a Mafia hit man expressing indignation about > someone > > > > > stealing a pack of gum. > > > > Mafia is the right word too. Both the Mafia and Islam says "We can do > > > > anything we want to you but don’t dare touch us–An attack on one is > > > > an attack on the whole family" > > > Two office buildings get knocked down in Manhattan and suddenly it’s a > war > > for > > > Civilization. How does that differ from "an attack on one is an attack > > on the > > > whole family"? > > I believe it was many, including religious figures, in the Muslim world > who > > incorrectly declared the US attack on Afghanistan was a war against Islam > > that created the impression. The general lack of assistance from Islamic > > countries in apprehending the perpetrators of 9/11and seeming support > > (Palestinians dancing in the streets) did little to eliminate the > impression > > that Islam is a all-for-one and one-for-all religion. Besides, if all > your > > concept is that it was only two office buildings being knocked down then I > > suppose it is a deadend discussion. The enormity of the crime, using four > > airliners filled with innocent people, to advance one groups personal > agenda > > is beyond belief even of a jaded America. It would have been far worse > had > > all four jet liners accomplished their primary objective. Add this to the > > many previous attacks occurring for years against embassies and other > > innocent civilians with the sole intent of hurting non Muslim countries. > > You can disagree but the idea of a religious war is a one sided issue. > For > > the most part, Americans and other Westerners could care less what your > > religious belief is. It is Muslims who can’t seem to understand or accept > > that life and goodness can occur under any other government than one > under > > Islamic Law. > ..And besides, if it truely WAS a war on Islam then Islam would no longer > exist, simple as that. > How’s that ‘War on Drugs’ going by the way?

No idea, how’s this relevant to the thread ?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > The truth doesn’t bother me; it’s the gross hypocrisy. I believe > another > > > > example would be a Mafia hit man expressing indignation about > someone > > > > stealing a pack of gum. > > > Mafia is the right word too. Both the Mafia and Islam says "We can do > > > anything we want to you but don’t dare touch us–An attack on one is > > > an attack on the whole family" > > Two office buildings get knocked down in Manhattan and suddenly it’s a > war > for > > Civilization. How does that differ from "an attack on one is an attack > on the > > whole family"? > I believe it was many, including religious figures, in the Muslim world > who > incorrectly declared the US attack on Afghanistan was a war against Islam > that created the impression. The general lack of assistance from Islamic > countries in apprehending the perpetrators of 9/11and seeming support > (Palestinians dancing in the streets) did little to eliminate the > impression > that Islam is a all-for-one and one-for-all religion. Besides, if all > your > concept is that it was only two office buildings being knocked down then I > suppose it is a deadend discussion. The enormity of the crime, using four > airliners filled with innocent people, to advance one groups personal > agenda > is beyond belief even of a jaded America. It would have been far worse > had > all four jet liners accomplished their primary objective. Add this to the > many previous attacks occurring for years against embassies and other > innocent civilians with the sole intent of hurting non Muslim countries. > You can disagree but the idea of a religious war is a one sided issue. > For > the most part, Americans and other Westerners could care less what your > religious belief is. It is Muslims who can’t seem to understand or accept > that life and goodness can occur under any other government than one > under > Islamic Law. > ..And besides, if it truely WAS a war on Islam then Islam would no longer > exist, simple as that.

How’s that ‘War on Drugs’ going by the way?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > The truth doesn’t bother me; it’s the gross hypocrisy. I believe > another > > > example would be a Mafia hit man expressing indignation about someone > > > stealing a pack of gum. > > Mafia is the right word too. Both the Mafia and Islam says "We can do > > anything we want to you but don’t dare touch us–An attack on one is > > an attack on the whole family" > Two office buildings get knocked down in Manhattan and suddenly it’s a war > for > Civilization. How does that differ from "an attack on one is an attack > on the > whole family"? > I believe it was many, including religious figures, in the Muslim world who > incorrectly declared the US attack on Afghanistan was a war against Islam > that created the impression. The general lack of assistance from Islamic > countries in apprehending the perpetrators of 9/11and seeming support > (Palestinians dancing in the streets) did little to eliminate the impression > that Islam is a all-for-one and one-for-all religion. Besides, if all your > concept is that it was only two office buildings being knocked down then I > suppose it is a deadend discussion. The enormity of the crime, using four > airliners filled with innocent people, to advance one groups personal agenda > is beyond belief even of a jaded America. It would have been far worse had > all four jet liners accomplished their primary objective. Add this to the > many previous attacks occurring for years against embassies and other > innocent civilians with the sole intent of hurting non Muslim countries. > You can disagree but the idea of a religious war is a one sided issue. For > the most part, Americans and other Westerners could care less what your > religious belief is. It is Muslims who can’t seem to understand or accept > that life and goodness can occur under any other government than one under > Islamic Law.

..And besides, if it truely WAS a war on Islam then Islam would no longer exist, simple as that.

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> The truth doesn’t bother me; it’s the gross hypocrisy. I believe another > example would be a Mafia hit man expressing indignation about someone > stealing a pack of gum. > Mafia is the right word too. Both the Mafia and Islam says "We can do > anything we want to you but don’t dare touch us–An attack on one is > an attack on the whole family"

Two office buildings get knocked down in Manhattan and suddenly it’s a war for Civilization. How does that differ from "an attack on one is an attack on the whole family"? …

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > The truth doesn’t bother me; it’s the gross hypocrisy. I believe another > > example would be a Mafia hit man expressing indignation about someone > > stealing a pack of gum. > Mafia is the right word too. Both the Mafia and Islam says "We can do > anything we want to you but don’t dare touch us–An attack on one is > an attack on the whole family" > Two office buildings get knocked down in Manhattan and suddenly it’s a war for > Civilization. How does that differ from "an attack on one is an attack on the > whole family"?

I believe it was many, including religious figures, in the Muslim world who incorrectly declared the US attack on Afghanistan was a war against Islam that created the impression. The general lack of assistance from Islamic countries in apprehending the perpetrators of 9/11and seeming support (Palestinians dancing in the streets) did little to eliminate the impression that Islam is a all-for-one and one-for-all religion. Besides, if all your concept is that it was only two office buildings being knocked down then I suppose it is a deadend discussion. The enormity of the crime, using four airliners filled with innocent people, to advance one groups personal agenda is beyond belief even of a jaded America. It would have been far worse had all four jet liners accomplished their primary objective. Add this to the many previous attacks occurring for years against embassies and other innocent civilians with the sole intent of hurting non Muslim countries. You can disagree but the idea of a religious war is a one sided issue. For the most part, Americans and other Westerners could care less what your religious belief is. It is Muslims who can’t seem to understand or accept that life and goodness can occur under any other government than one under Islamic Law. > – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> …

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> The truth doesn’t bother me; it’s the gross hypocrisy. I believe another > example would be a Mafia hit man expressing indignation about someone > stealing a pack of gum.

Mafia is the right word too. Both the Mafia and Islam says "We can do anything we want to you but don’t dare touch us–An attack on one is an attack on the whole family" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Can’t take the truth?! > > Being chastised for torture, by a Muslim, is like the village idiot > > chastising Einstein for a math error. > > > An American Way of War: Torture, Rape, Murder > > > The photographs of US soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners have become > symbols > > > of American conceit, American hypocrisy and American brutality. The > folly > of > > > the Iraq adventure seems to be summed up by pyres of naked, bound and > hooded > > > men smiled over by the missionaries > > > of American democracy. More than one right wing commentator in the > United > > > States has likened these acts to college pranks. > > > http://www.counterpunch.org/siegfried06052004.html

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> An American Way of War: Torture, Rape, Murder > The photographs of US soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners have become > symbols of American conceit, American hypocrisy and American > brutality. The folly of the Iraq adventure seems to be summed up by > pyres of naked, bound and hooded men smiled over by the missionaries > of American democracy. More than one right wing commentator in the > United States has likened these acts to college pranks. > http://www.counterpunch.org/siegfried06052004.html

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Or the Nazis complaining that the Soviets were not respecting their soldier’s human rights..

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The truth doesn’t bother me; it’s the gross hypocrisy. I believe another > example would be a Mafia hit man expressing indignation about someone > stealing a pack of gum. > Can’t take the truth?! > > Being chastised for torture, by a Muslim, is like the village idiot > > chastising Einstein for a math error. > > > An American Way of War: Torture, Rape, Murder > > > The photographs of US soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners have become > > symbols > > > of American conceit, American hypocrisy and American brutality. The > folly > > of > > > the Iraq adventure seems to be summed up by pyres of naked, bound and > > hooded > > > men smiled over by the missionaries > > > of American democracy. More than one right wing commentator in the > United > > > States has likened these acts to college pranks. > > > http://www.counterpunch.org/siegfried06052004.html

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The truth doesn’t bother me; it’s the gross hypocrisy. I believe another example would be a Mafia hit man expressing indignation about someone stealing a pack of gum.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Can’t take the truth?! > Being chastised for torture, by a Muslim, is like the village idiot > chastising Einstein for a math error. > > An American Way of War: Torture, Rape, Murder > > The photographs of US soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners have become > symbols > > of American conceit, American hypocrisy and American brutality. The > folly > of > > the Iraq adventure seems to be summed up by pyres of naked, bound and > hooded > > men smiled over by the missionaries > > of American democracy. More than one right wing commentator in the > United > > States has likened these acts to college pranks. > > http://www.counterpunch.org/siegfried06052004.html

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Careful, or there will be panties on your head! > An American Way of War: Torture, Rape, Murder > > The photographs of US soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners have become > symbols of American conceit, American hypocrisy and American > brutality. The folly of the Iraq adventure seems to be summed up by > pyres of naked, bound and hooded men smiled over by the missionaries > of American democracy. More than one right wing commentator in the > United States has likened these acts to college pranks. > > http://www.counterpunch.org/siegfried06052004.html

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No Woder!!

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Being chastised for torture, by a Muslim, is like the village idiot chastising Einstein for a math error.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> An American Way of War: Torture, Rape, Murder > The photographs of US soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners have become symbols > of American conceit, American hypocrisy and American brutality. The folly of > the Iraq adventure seems to be summed up by pyres of naked, bound and hooded > men smiled over by the missionaries > of American democracy. More than one right wing commentator in the United > States has likened these acts to college pranks. > http://www.counterpunch.org/siegfried06052004.html

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Can’t take the truth?!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Being chastised for torture, by a Muslim, is like the village idiot > chastising Einstein for a math error. > An American Way of War: Torture, Rape, Murder > The photographs of US soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners have become > symbols > of American conceit, American hypocrisy and American brutality. The folly > of > the Iraq adventure seems to be summed up by pyres of naked, bound and > hooded > men smiled over by the missionaries > of American democracy. More than one right wing commentator in the United > States has likened these acts to college pranks. > http://www.counterpunch.org/siegfried06052004.html

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i like the way that people like you continue to make such a big deal over these prison pictures but fail to condemn the weekly murders of innocent western civillians, like the bbc cameraman today. it stinks of racism, pure and simple.

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