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I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find out if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage 30’s that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie 2X12 Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and the other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa Boogie was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, the replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively tone as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, and this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one that’s in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I just found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. If this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion stating that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the Chinese people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like I’ve thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback from other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market that will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab are giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Blessings, Brian
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find out > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage 30’s > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie 2X12 > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and the > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa Boogie > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, the > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively tone > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, and > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one that’s > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I just > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. If > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion stating > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the Chinese > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like I’ve > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback from > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market that > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab are > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Blessings, > Brian
www.webervst.com
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to > find out > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage > 30’s > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa > Boogie 2X12 > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and the > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa > Boogie > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, the > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same > lively tone > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, > and > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one > that’s > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I just > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. If > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion > stating > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the > Chinese > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like > I’ve > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some > feedback from > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market that > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 > cab are > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Blessings, > Brian > www.webervst.com
look at the ceramic 1230-55
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Brian, First, check out the Weber site.. most folks around here like his quality and appreciate his help. V 30s are not for everyone, and Imanufacturers do have some parts or a run of parts that gets by QC. That being said, the rectifier cab is usually very reliable, as I have a couple; the most recent purchased just prior to Christmas. The deeper cab and the closed back should give you a lot of bass accent.The V30s tend to be midrange centric… The combination should give a tonal output that cuts through the mix.. but you need to be away from the cab as no sound escapes the back of the cab. On stage, and depending on your distance the cab may not sound right to you, but trust me, setting up your EQ to what you hear say in sound check, will be pushed forward. If you are on top of your amp, as is the case on most regular venues, you may be getting alot of mid in your ear.. but about 8 to 10 feet away, IMHO, it’s giving you what you dialed in. Another issue is that Celestion 30s tend to have ghost or harmonic notes in a certain area of the playing spectrum.. I know it to be circa the 12th fret for both my PRS and Brian Moore guitars.. strings 2 and 3.. Again some folks like that ! It doesn’t trouble me, but that’s me.. I had read in one of the groups that the 8 ohm V30 was still a British product and the 16s Chineese.. Having wanted a little lighter cab I tried the 2X12 Avatar 16 Ohm, and by golly they sounded as I expected.. For $260 and a 10 day return policy it could be a real good option if you can return the Mesa.. Peace, danny
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find out > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage 30’s > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie 2X12 > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and the > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa Boogie > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, the > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively tone > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, and > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one that’s > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I just > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. If > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion stating > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the Chinese > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like I’ve > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback from > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market that > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab are > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Blessings, > Brian
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I’ll have to check out the Weber site. I’ve been playing through Vintage 30’s for years, and they’ve always been consistent in tone and quality. This is the first time that I’ve run into a situation where 1 sounds really good, and the other 3, well frankly, just don’t cut it. If a person can get a matched set of 4 in a 4X12, but they can’t now, then my first thought is bad quality control. I even had my sound man scope things out, and he was able to definitely see the differences. Boy you’re right. The MB cab is one heavy cab. <GRIN> I love my Mesa cab, now I’d like to have a matched set of speakers to go in it, instead of 1 really good one, and 1 not so good out of 3. Hey, if the 8-ohm Vintage 30’s were still being made in the UK, then it would be well worth the investment to get a pair. I would hope that their QC at that plant would still be just as good. Blessings, Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: alt.guitar.amps Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 6:20 PM > Brian, > First, check out the Weber site.. most folks around here like his quality > and appreciate his help. > V 30s are not for everyone, and Imanufacturers do have some parts or a run > of parts that gets by QC. That being said, the rectifier cab is usually > very reliable, as I have a couple; the most recent purchased just prior to > Christmas. > The deeper cab and the closed back should give you a lot of bass accent.The > V30s tend to be midrange centric… The combination should give a tonal > output that cuts through the mix.. but you need to be away from the cab as > no sound escapes the back of the cab. On stage, and depending on your > distance the cab may not sound right to you, but trust me, setting up your > EQ to what you hear say in sound check, will be pushed forward. If you are > on top of your amp, as is the case on most regular venues, you may be > getting alot of mid in your ear.. but about 8 to 10 feet away, IMHO, it’s > giving you what you dialed in. > Another issue is that Celestion 30s tend to have ghost or harmonic notes in > a certain area of the playing spectrum.. I know it to be circa the 12th fret > for both my PRS and Brian Moore guitars.. strings 2 and 3.. Again some > folks like that ! It doesn’t trouble me, but that’s me.. > I had read in one of the groups that the 8 ohm V30 was still a British > product and the 16s Chineese.. Having wanted a little lighter cab I tried > the 2X12 Avatar 16 Ohm, and by golly they sounded as I expected.. For $260 > and a 10 day return policy it could be a real good option if you can return > the Mesa.. > Peace, > danny > I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find > out > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage 30’s > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie > 2X12 > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and the > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa > Boogie > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, the > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively > tone > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, and > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one > that’s > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I just > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. If > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion stating > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the > Chinese > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like > I’ve > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback > from > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market that > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab > are > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Blessings, > Brian
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I’ve got a V30 in my HRD and I love it. But I bought it several years ago. Are they making them in China now? That would suck.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find out > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage 30’s > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie 2X12 > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and the > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa Boogie > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, the > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively tone > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, and > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one that’s > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I just > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. If > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion stating > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the Chinese > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like I’ve > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback from > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market that > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab are > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Blessings, > Brian
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As far as I can tell from everything I’m being told, and reading on the net, the Vintage 30 production is all being done in China. Well I bit the bullet and pulled a pair of my Vintage 30’s that I bought back in 97 out of my Marshall 4X12 cab, and man, what a difference. My Mesa Boogie 2X12 Rectifier really sounds nice, and that’s at low volumes. I can’t wait to get it over to the church this weekend and see how it sounds cranked. Unless something changes, I’m done with the new Vintage 30’s. I’m not about to throw anymore money away on a hit or miss deal. I’m going to look at Weber, or some of these other brands. Blessings, Brian
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve got a V30 in my HRD and I love it. But I bought it several years ago. > Are they making them in China now? That would suck. > I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find > out > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage 30’s > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie > 2X12 > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and the > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa > Boogie > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, the > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively > tone > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, and > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one > that’s > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I just > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. If > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion stating > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the > Chinese > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like > I’ve > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback > from > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market that > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab > are > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Blessings, > Brian
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Looked at Randall? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > As far as I can tell from everything I’m being told, and reading on the net, > the Vintage 30 production is all being done in China. > Well I bit the bullet and pulled a pair of my Vintage 30’s that I bought > back in 97 out of my Marshall 4X12 cab, and man, what a difference. My Mesa > Boogie 2X12 Rectifier really sounds nice, and that’s at low volumes. I > can’t wait to get it over to the church this weekend and see how it sounds > cranked. Unless something changes, I’m done with the new Vintage 30’s. I’m > not about to throw anymore money away on a hit or miss deal. I’m going to > look at Weber, or some of these other brands. > Blessings, > Brian >I’ve got a V30 in my HRD and I love it. But I bought it several years ago. >Are they making them in China now? That would suck. >>I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find >out >>if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage > 30’s >>that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie >2X12 >>Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with >>Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and > the >>other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa >Boogie >>was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, > the >>replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low >>frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively >tone >>as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, > and >>this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one >that’s >>in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more >>transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I > just >>found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. > If >>this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way >>down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion > stating >>that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the >Chinese >>people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like >I’ve >>thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback >from >>other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market > that >>will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab >are >>giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any >>thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >>Blessings, >>Brian
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Somebody at the harmony central forums recently said that the new Eminence Governor is like the Vintage 30 but that it is slightly warmer and without the V30’s harsh upper frequencies. He even likes 2 of them better than the V30 + G12H30 combo, which he was very happy with prior to trying the Governor. I too have been very happy with the V30 + G12H30 combo in a 2×12, but I think the V30 sounds over compressed and buzzy by itself so I may give the governor a shot in its place. StratMatt
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve got a V30 in my HRD and I love it. But I bought it several years ago. > Are they making them in China now? That would suck. > I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find > out > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage 30’s > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie > 2X12 > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and the > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa > Boogie > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, the > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively > tone > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, and > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one > that’s > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I just > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. If > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion stating > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the > Chinese > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like > I’ve > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback > from > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market that > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab > are > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Blessings, > Brian
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Hi, I’ve been a vintage 30 guy for a long time.. and as in any device, feeature preference, style, in music what YOU like to hear from an instrument or cab, is a very personal preference. I like the tone of the 30s.. to me they are not as passive as most stuff out there, and what some may call a howel another calls a growl?? If I were you, and not satisfied with a V30, I would not replace it with something mirroring its design. The Emminance may be an option, but until you hear it in your cab, you will not know, and even then it’ll take a few gigs et al just to be sure. So if you have the wherewithall to experiment, you’re on the right track.. if not, try to find a similar cab with the speakers inplace. As for Chineese quality, Celestion has been around a good long time, and I think they beleive thier products are top notch, so by moving to China, they do cut cost, labor costs. And the machines used in China must meet the tolerances and specifications for Celestion, otherwise V30 guys and Lead guys and thier staple product folks would soon be headed else where.. Chineese resources, as Japan and Korea have proven, are equal to most US an European.. Except for price. And, having recently purchased a new Mesa Recto cab and a 4×12, in addition to the 2×12 I was using, seem right on… if anything, Mesa themselves have reduced the quality of their cabs in the standard Tolex, amp coverings and knobs… also, I am understanding that it’s the 16 Ohm V30 that is made in China.. However, hedgin my bet, that could have changed as well. so, try everything.. call Ted Weber he’s about as good as they come, and play on.. My point: You can only be the judge of what you like.. And everybody else including me are only offering our best opinion. danny
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Somebody at the harmony central forums recently said that the new Eminence > Governor is like the Vintage 30 but that it is slightly warmer and without > the V30’s harsh upper frequencies. > He even likes 2 of them better than the V30 + G12H30 combo, which he was > very happy with prior to trying the Governor. > I too have been very happy with the V30 + G12H30 combo in a 2×12, but I > think the V30 sounds over compressed and buzzy by itself so I may give the > governor a shot in its place. > StratMatt > I’ve got a V30 in my HRD and I love it. But I bought it several years ago. > Are they making them in China now? That would suck. > > I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to find > out > > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage > 30’s > > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa Boogie > 2X12 > > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and > the > > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa > Boogie > > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, > the > > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same lively > tone > > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, > and > > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one > that’s > > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds more > > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I > just > > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. > If > > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone way > > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion > stating > > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the > Chinese > > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like > I’ve > > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some feedback > from > > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market > that > > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 cab > are > > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Blessings, > > Brian
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It is amazing after I put my older Vintage 30’s from my 4X12 cab into the Boogie cab how much of a difference it really made. Even the one fairly good Vintage 30 didn’t even come close to these older ones. Now the cabinet, in my opinion sounds like it should. I’ve just got to find some replacements to put back into my 4X12 cab. Blessings, Brian
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > I’ve been a vintage 30 guy for a long time.. and as in any device, feeature > preference, style, in music what YOU like to hear from an instrument or cab, > is a very personal preference. I like the tone of the 30s.. to me they are > not as passive as most stuff out there, and what some may call a howel > another calls a growl?? > If I were you, and not satisfied with a V30, I would not replace it with > something mirroring its design. The Emminance may be an option, but until > you hear it in your cab, you will not know, and even then it’ll take a few > gigs et al just to be sure. So if you have the wherewithall to experiment, > you’re on the right track.. if not, try to find a similar cab with the > speakers inplace. > As for Chineese quality, Celestion has been around a good long time, and I > think they beleive thier products are top notch, so by moving to China, they > do cut cost, labor costs. And the machines used in China must meet the > tolerances and specifications for Celestion, otherwise V30 guys and Lead > guys and thier staple product folks would soon be headed else where.. > Chineese resources, as Japan and Korea have proven, are equal to most US an > European.. Except for price. > And, having recently purchased a new Mesa Recto cab and a 4×12, in addition > to the 2×12 I was using, seem right on… if anything, Mesa themselves have > reduced the quality of their cabs in the standard Tolex, amp coverings and > knobs… also, I am understanding that it’s the 16 Ohm V30 that is made in > China.. However, hedgin my bet, that could have changed as well. > so, try everything.. call Ted Weber he’s about as good as they come, and > play on.. My point: You can only be the judge of what you like.. And > everybody else including me are only offering our best opinion. > danny > Somebody at the harmony central forums recently said that the new Eminence > Governor is like the Vintage 30 but that it is slightly warmer and without > the V30’s harsh upper frequencies. > He even likes 2 of them better than the V30 + G12H30 combo, which he was > very happy with prior to trying the Governor. > I too have been very happy with the V30 + G12H30 combo in a 2×12, but I > think the V30 sounds over compressed and buzzy by itself so I may give the > governor a shot in its place. > StratMatt > > I’ve got a V30 in my HRD and I love it. But I bought it several years > ago. > > Are they making them in China now? That would suck. > > > I’m sorry if this topic has been discussed before, but I wanted to > find > > out > > > if anyone else has had the same problems in getting Celestion Vintage > 30’s > > > that consistently sound the same? I just recently bought a Mesa > Boogie > > 2X12 > > > Rectifier cab loaded with Vintage 30’s, and I am not happy so far with > > > Celestion’s quality control. One speaker in the cab sounds good, and > the > > > other one sounded like it had metal vibrating against the cone. Mesa > > Boogie > > > was great about getting me a replacement speaker, but to my surprise, > the > > > replacement speaker sounded like it had a filter cutting off all low > > > frequencies below a certain point. It also didn’t have the same > lively > > tone > > > as the one on the other side. So I decided to purchase one on my own, > and > > > this one has more of a lively tone, but comparing it to the other one > > that’s > > > in the cab, I find it is lacking in the mid-range area. It sounds > more > > > transparent, and doesn’t give me that great tone that I’m use to. I > just > > > found out from Lord Valve that Celestion is now making them in China. > If > > > this is the case, then it seems that their quality control has gone > way > > > down, even though, I just read something from someone at Celestion > stating > > > that they’re using the same parts, as well as carefully training the > > Chinese > > > people who are over-seeing the production. At this point, I feel like > > I’ve > > > thrown money into a wind storm, and I’d just like to hear some > feedback > > from > > > other users. I’d also like to see if there’s anything on the market > that > > > will give me the same quality tone my older Vintage 30’s in my 4X12 > cab > > are > > > giving me. And, if there’s something even better on the market. Any > > > thoughts and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > Blessings, > > > Brian