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Partington) : >I saw the ad for Killers when it was first released. I bought the album >without hearing anything on it just because of the cover. It’s still my >fave IM release. The early Maiden is the best.
Hey, my first single i ever bought was " Run to the Hills" ( It was a brand new release then… ), also becaus i liked the cover. I still like NOTB, but the later albums weren`t as good. Killers is also very good. Axels Mountain Bike Marathon Seiten: http://www.online-club.de/m8/rp14231/index.htm
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>I just finished rewatching Iron Maiden’s 10 wasted years video. >Nowadays, everyone is talking about how bad they are with Blaze >Bayley fronting. But judging, by the old clips I’ve seen from >when Paul Dianno fronted the band, they weren’t all that great >with him.
I saw them last year with Blaze. He’s great, though he doesn’t *quite* have the dynamics of Bruce. But he’s not bruce, he’s blaze. Iron Maiden will always be Steve Harris and Dave Murray to me, anyway…. Warlock
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>Iron Maiden kicks ass. here tho, are the bad points: >1) Jannick Gers. Never liked his style from the get go. Adrian and Dave were >da bomb. >2) Steve producing. Blah, can you possibly get a flatter sound? >3) Blaze. The first album he did was ok. just ok. >Somewhere in Time, Powerslave, and the Dianno albums…. ROCK.
I tend to agree, though I would have added "Number of the Beast" and "Piece of Mind" kick major ass.
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> >Iron Maiden kicks ass. here tho, are the bad points: >2) Steve producing. Blah, can you possibly get a flatter sound? > Why did they dump Martin Birch?
They didn’t dump him. He retired.
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>Iron Maiden kicks ass. here tho, are the bad points: >2) Steve producing. Blah, can you possibly get a flatter sound?
Why did they dump Martin Birch? — Planet Bog — pools of toxic chemicals bubble under a choking atomsphere of poisonous gases… but aside from that, it’s not much like Earth.
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I saw the ad for Killers when it was first released. I bought the album without hearing anything on it just because of the cover. It’s still my fave IM release. The early Maiden is the best. I was a big fan until Powerslave then it seemed to get too cheezey for me (or maybe the fact that I was no longer a teenager). "Music is more about musicality than technicality" TLP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I agree, Killers and Maiden Japan are my favorite Maiden albums. Dickinson >had his moments but I think Killers is the best Iron Maiden ever. > Paul Dianno is a really gutsy singer… When he was in the band, they > sounded like they really meant it. I always got the impression that > when Bruce joined, the band lost the passion, and it all became about > theatrics… To be honest, I never really liked Bruces’ voice when he > was with Maiden, but his later solo stuff was cool. Blaze Bayley was a > great frontman for Wolfsbane, but his charisma is lost on a large stage. > For me, the only albums I can listen to now are the first two… > Perversely, the rest seem dated! > — > Roger King >– >"It’s too bad he lives in the city, because >he’s depriving some village of a great idiot." >-Mike Milbury, on Ziggy Pallfy’s agent.
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>apparently you haven’t heard any of his solo projects, the latest being The >Chemical Wedding (not to mention some pretty awesome songs during the Maiden >years: Revelations, Powerslave, and many off of The Number of the Beast
There is not a single song on The Number of the Beast written by him. It’s an excellent album and almost everything is written by Harris.
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>>apparently you haven’t heard any of his solo projects, the latest being The >Chemical Wedding (not to mention some pretty awesome songs during the Maiden >years: Revelations, Powerslave, and many off of The Number of the Beast >There is not a single song on The Number of the Beast written by him.
Wrong. He couldn’t get credit for what he wrote on NOTB because at the time he was still bound to a writing contract with Samson (his previous band). He wrote/co-wrote Run To The Hills, Children of the Damned, The Prisoner, and Gangland. — stormrider(at)antisocial.com
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>Bruce, Harris and Adrian Smith all wrote their share of excellent >songs. It seemed though that the presence of Bruce in the band >prompted Harris to write better songs the he had before Bruce >joined.
Over a half of my favourite IM songs are on "The Number of the Beast". The album does not have a single song written by Bruce and I suppose all the songs were written before he joined. It could not be his unfluence. After 1983 Harris’s songwriting was getting worse album by album IMHO.
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apparently you haven’t heard any of his solo projects, the latest being The Chemical Wedding (not to mention some pretty awesome songs during the Maiden years: Revelations, Powerslave, and many off of The Number of the Beast although he wasn’t given credits due to legal reasons from his prior band). -samiam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Bruce is an excellent singer. but songwriting? I don’t think so >– >Gavin Spearhead >Spearhead Inc. >Homepages: >Coversongs list http://www.telekabel.nl/~wieger/covers.htm >Bolt Thrower Homepage: http://www.telekabel.nl/~wieger/btfaq.htm >Official Altar Homepage >http://www.telekabel.nl/~wieger/altar/altar.html
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Iron Maiden kicks ass. here tho, are the bad points: 1) Jannick Gers. Never liked his style from the get go. Adrian and Dave were da bomb. 2) Steve producing. Blah, can you possibly get a flatter sound? 3) Blaze. The first album he did was ok. just ok. Somewhere in Time, Powerslave, and the Dianno albums…. ROCK. Anubis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I just finished rewatching Iron Maiden’s 10 wasted years video. >Nowadays, everyone is talking about how bad they are with Blaze >Bayley fronting. But judging, by the old clips I’ve seen from >when Paul Dianno fronted the band, they weren’t all that great >with him. It seems like Bruce Dickensen’s presence brought an >added dimension to the band. Not only the did the vocals and >the songwriting improve, but the guitar work of Murray and >Smith improved as well(go figure). Also the Iron Maiden lineup >remained fairly stable when Bruce was there. It had been a >revolving door before he joined. This leads me to ask, how >much of Iron Maiden’s greatness was due to Bruce’s influence, as >opposed to Steve Harris’ influence.
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Paul Dianno is a really gutsy singer… When he was in the band, they sounded like they really meant it. I always got the impression that when Bruce joined, the band lost the passion, and it all became about theatrics… To be honest, I never really liked Bruces’ voice when he was with Maiden, but his later solo stuff was cool. Blaze Bayley was a great frontman for Wolfsbane, but his charisma is lost on a large stage. For me, the only albums I can listen to now are the first two… Perversely, the rest seem dated! writes >I just finished rewatching Iron Maiden’s 10 wasted years video. >Nowadays, everyone is talking about how bad they are with Blaze >Bayley fronting. But judging, by the old clips I’ve seen from >when Paul Dianno fronted the band, they weren’t all that great >with him. It seems like Bruce Dickensen’s presence brought an >added dimension to the band. Not only the did the vocals and >the songwriting improve, but the guitar work of Murray and >Smith improved as well(go figure). Also the Iron Maiden lineup >remained fairly stable when Bruce was there. It had been a >revolving door before he joined. This leads me to ask, how >much of Iron Maiden’s greatness was due to Bruce’s influence, as >opposed to Steve Harris’ influence.
"Woof, woof!" said the badger, with an enigmatic smile… — Roger King
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I agree, Killers and Maiden Japan are my favorite Maiden albums. Dickinson had his moments but I think Killers is the best Iron Maiden ever. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Paul Dianno is a really gutsy singer… When he was in the band, they > sounded like they really meant it. I always got the impression that > when Bruce joined, the band lost the passion, and it all became about > theatrics… To be honest, I never really liked Bruces’ voice when he > was with Maiden, but his later solo stuff was cool. Blaze Bayley was a > great frontman for Wolfsbane, but his charisma is lost on a large stage. > For me, the only albums I can listen to now are the first two… > Perversely, the rest seem dated! > writes >I just finished rewatching Iron Maiden’s 10 wasted years video. >Nowadays, everyone is talking about how bad they are with Blaze >Bayley fronting. But judging, by the old clips I’ve seen from >when Paul Dianno fronted the band, they weren’t all that great >with him. It seems like Bruce Dickensen’s presence brought an >added dimension to the band. Not only the did the vocals and >the songwriting improve, but the guitar work of Murray and >Smith improved as well(go figure). Also the Iron Maiden lineup >remained fairly stable when Bruce was there. It had been a >revolving door before he joined. This leads me to ask, how >much of Iron Maiden’s greatness was due to Bruce’s influence, as >opposed to Steve Harris’ influence. > "Woof, woof!" said the badger, with an enigmatic smile… > — > Roger King
– "It’s too bad he lives in the city, because he’s depriving some village of a great idiot." -Mike Milbury, on Ziggy Pallfy’s agent.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just finished rewatching Iron Maiden’s 10 wasted years video. > Nowadays, everyone is talking about how bad they are with Blaze > Bayley fronting. But judging, by the old clips I’ve seen from > when Paul Dianno fronted the band, they weren’t all that great > with him. It seems like Bruce Dickensen’s presence brought an > added dimension to the band. Not only the did the vocals and > the songwriting improve, but the guitar work of Murray and > Smith improved as well(go figure). Also the Iron Maiden lineup > remained fairly stable when Bruce was there. It had been a > revolving door before he joined. This leads me to ask, how > much of Iron Maiden’s greatness was due to Bruce’s influence, as > opposed to Steve Harris’ influence. > Steve Harris wrote most of the songs by himself that I really like best, > go figure > Alex the great, 7th son, hallowed be thy name etc > Most of the other songs are less heavy and powerful as those. > Bruce is an excellent singer. but songwriting? I don’t think so
Bruce, Harris and Adrian Smith all wrote their share of excellent songs. It seemed though that the presence of Bruce in the band prompted Harris to write better songs the he had before Bruce joined. There’s nothing like a little competition to push someone to make an extra effort. When you think about it, how many other bands could boast 3 excellent songwriters.
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> >Steve Harris wrote most of the songs by himself that I really like best, >go figure Alex the great, 7th son, hallowed be thy name etc > I wonder if there is link between bass playing and song writing? > (Geezer form Black Sabbath, Marco Hietala from Tarot (he also sings!), > etc…)
If you are a songwriter, its easier to get a band to perform your material if you agree to join them as a bass player. Bass players are hard to find, and if your primary interest is in getting your songs performed, your chances are better if you are a bassist than if you are a guitarist or drummer. Harris and Geezer both started as guitarists but quickly switched to bass when they found it was easier to get in a band that way.
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>Steve Harris wrote most of the songs by himself that I really like best, >go figure Alex the great, 7th son, hallowed be thy name etc
I wonder if there is link between bass playing and song writing? (Geezer form Black Sabbath, Marco Hietala from Tarot (he also sings!), etc…)
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Even JPJ wrote alot of those awesome blues stomp grooves that Zep are best know for. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Steve Harris wrote most of the songs by himself that I really like best, >go figure Alex the great, 7th son, hallowed be thy name etc > I wonder if there is link between bass playing and song writing? > (Geezer form Black Sabbath, Marco Hietala from Tarot (he also sings!), > etc…)
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I just finished rewatching Iron Maiden’s 10 wasted years video. Nowadays, everyone is talking about how bad they are with Blaze Bayley fronting. But judging, by the old clips I’ve seen from when Paul Dianno fronted the band, they weren’t all that great with him. It seems like Bruce Dickensen’s presence brought an added dimension to the band. Not only the did the vocals and the songwriting improve, but the guitar work of Murray and Smith improved as well(go figure). Also the Iron Maiden lineup remained fairly stable when Bruce was there. It had been a revolving door before he joined. This leads me to ask, how much of Iron Maiden’s greatness was due to Bruce’s influence, as opposed to Steve Harris’ influence.
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Just listen to Bruce’s solo stuff. If you like it as well, then there you are. If not, maybe it was a collaboration thing. Some musicians I’ve played with have made my music "magical" others just eeh!.(average) Anyway it’s your call. I personally think Steve Harris is overated at any level, but you do have to give him credit, he did a lot for (lead) bass in the heavy metal genre.
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> Just listen to Bruce’s solo stuff. If you like it as well, then there >you are. If not, maybe it was a collaboration thing. Some musicians I’ve >played with have made my music "magical" others just eeh!.(average) Anyway >it’s your call. I personally think Steve Harris is overated at any level, >but you do have to give him credit, he did a lot for (lead) bass in the >heavy metal genre.
i see steve harris as a very fine musician. he just happens to be a bass player as well. look at the song credits. he wrote as many, if not more, songs than when dickinson was about. both wrote good songs tho. i don’t know of many, if any, bassists that could fill harris’ role (remember he wrote songs too) in maiden at any time since the early 80’s. but then i haven’t heard every bassist that there is…. go figure. but they are more of a live band than a studio one (at least when i saw them) and harris certainly gets the energy levels way up there. jmho T
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> I just finished rewatching Iron Maiden’s 10 wasted years video. > Nowadays, everyone is talking about how bad they are with Blaze > Bayley fronting. But judging, by the old clips I’ve seen from > when Paul Dianno fronted the band, they weren’t all that great > with him. It seems like Bruce Dickensen’s presence brought an > added dimension to the band. Not only the did the vocals and > the songwriting improve, but the guitar work of Murray and > Smith improved as well(go figure). Also the Iron Maiden lineup > remained fairly stable when Bruce was there. It had been a > revolving door before he joined. This leads me to ask, how > much of Iron Maiden’s greatness was due to Bruce’s influence, as > opposed to Steve Harris’ influence.
Steve Harris wrote most of the songs by himself that I really like best, go figure Alex the great, 7th son, hallowed be thy name etc Most of the other songs are less heavy and powerful as those. Bruce is an excellent singer. but songwriting? I don’t think so — Gavin Spearhead Spearhead Inc. Homepages: Coversongs list http://www.telekabel.nl/~wieger/covers.htm Bolt Thrower Homepage: http://www.telekabel.nl/~wieger/btfaq.htm Official Altar Homepage http://www.telekabel.nl/~wieger/altar/altar.html
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I think the when Dianno was in IM, they were good in comparison to the other metal bands of the era. But yeah, it’s the music with Bruce that made them the metal monsters they are (were?). I think they could be that good again if 1) Steve hands over production to someone outside the band, and 2) they make the rumors true by replacing Blaze with a singer worthy of the Maiden legacy. I’m not sure I agree with Maiden being a "revolving door" before Bruce, at least since they issued their first album. There was only one change–guitarist–between the self-titled LP and Bruce joining. Now, if you’re talking about before Iron Maiden (the LP) was recorded, that’s another story…. -eric – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I just finished rewatching Iron Maiden’s 10 wasted years video. >Nowadays, everyone is talking about how bad they are with Blaze >Bayley fronting. But judging, by the old clips I’ve seen from >when Paul Dianno fronted the band, they weren’t all that great >with him. It seems like Bruce Dickensen’s presence brought an >added dimension to the band. Not only the did the vocals and >the songwriting improve, but the guitar work of Murray and >Smith improved as well(go figure). Also the Iron Maiden lineup >remained fairly stable when Bruce was there. It had been a >revolving door before he joined. This leads me to ask, how >much of Iron Maiden’s greatness was due to Bruce’s influence, as >opposed to Steve Harris’ influence.
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It’s an instance where you have that "perfect" chemistry. Steve’s writing, Bruce’s vocals, and everything just CLICKED. I recently got the "Somewhere in Time" CD. It is AWESOME! Damn, is this album good! Too bad it was their LAST good album. The only lineup that works for Maiden is what we had through the 80s. The downfall started when Adrian left. When Bruce left, the band died as far as I am concerned. Blaze is HORRIBLE!! IM was a real force in the 80s. I don’t know if they can ever get that back, even if they re-united. Listening to the final Live album with Bruce was disappointing compared to the performance on Live After Death. -DC http://www.judas-priest.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I just finished rewatching Iron Maiden’s 10 wasted years video. > Nowadays, everyone is talking about how bad they are with Blaze > Bayley fronting. But judging, by the old clips I’ve seen from > when Paul Dianno fronted the band, they weren’t all that great > with him. It seems like Bruce Dickensen’s presence brought an > added dimension to the band. Not only the did the vocals and > the songwriting improve, but the guitar work of Murray and > Smith improved as well(go figure). Also the Iron Maiden lineup > remained fairly stable when Bruce was there. It had been a > revolving door before he joined. This leads me to ask, how > much of Iron Maiden’s greatness was due to Bruce’s influence, as > opposed to Steve Harris’ influence.
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> It’s an instance where you have that "perfect" chemistry. Steve’s > writing, Bruce’s vocals, and everything just CLICKED. I recently got the > "Somewhere in Time" CD. It is AWESOME! Damn, is this album good! Too bad > it was their LAST good album.
No way, Seventh Son is a great album. Better than Somewhere in Time, IMO. -mike
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Bruce D. is one of my favorite singers….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It’s an instance where you have that "perfect" chemistry. Steve’s > writing, Bruce’s vocals, and everything just CLICKED. I recently got the > "Somewhere in Time" CD. It is AWESOME! Damn, is this album good! Too bad > it was their LAST good album. > No way, Seventh Son is a great album. Better than Somewhere in Time, IMO. > -mike