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Gday, I don’t care if it’s metal, alternative, pop, rock, jazz, country, classical, whatever. If I like it, I will listen to it. If not, I won’t listen to it. Simple. I have no desire to be a musical genius. I just want to listen to what I want, when I want it. RoSsCo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Being on this NG, I have concluded that most people are stupid. I am > being serious, not negative. Very few people are true musical > geniuses. That’s the principle that "popular music" sells on: that most > people barely even have a one-year-old’s understanding of music are > easily attracted by trendy, catchy, very simple music. These people > would say, "It wouldn’t sound as good with more notes." A true genius > would recognize where notes should be added to make it a good song. > Honestly, with the songs I consider good, I can’t find a place where > more notes would be necessary, and that’s what makes them good songs. > And the good songs were not inspired by drug use, because if you knew > anything about music, you would know that Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray > Vaughan, two of the greatest guitarists ever, were at their best when > they were clean. It’s just coincidence that people like Ozzy, Black > Sabbath, and Dave Mustaine were on drugs when they wrote their best > stuff. > Music wasn’t truly appreciated as its own art until the 1700s, but the > pre-1700s weren’t music’s worst years; the 90s was the worst musical > period in history because too many steps were taken backwards, contrary > to the pre-1700s in which music was not going backwards, only slowly > forwards. It would have been better for the 90s not to happen at all. > First, commercialization kicked in, and Metallica got involved in it, > and now Megadeth is getting into it, too. And frankly, it has impaired > their ability to write good music. I am not saying metal is dead, just > weakened, but if you think these bands will lead the resurgence, good > luck, because they’re not really metal anymore. Maybe the Loads and > Risk are good, but why have scraps when you can have a whole meal like > Master of Puppets or Rust in Peace. In fact, this was the main reason I > got into metal. Just three to four years ago I used to listen to what > radio fed me, which is less than scraps, but then I heard Master of > Puppets and my musical knowledge and understanding grew by leaps and > bounds; that single album changed my whole perspective on music. Soon > after, I had heard every Metallica album, and got into Megadeth, Black > Sabbath, Ozzy, Guns N’ Roses, plus other great bands, and, more > recently, Iron Maiden. > Also some say metal is dead, which is untrue, and some have > misinterpreted me as saying that it is. As I mentioned above I believe > metal has been merely weakened by the commercialization of the 90s. It > can be revitalized, but not by a bunch of people whining on a NG. Iron > Maiden, Black Sabbath, and Ozzy are metal, but they won’t be around for > much longer. Although Pantera’s good, they’re not that good, and > therefore not in any position to lead a metal comeback either. Korn, > Limp Bizkit, and such are way too trendy and sucky plus they’re not even > music. > This is gonna get a lot of flames, I know, but only from those less > intelligent people I mentioned, who’ll just respond somewhat like this: > "fuck you fuck this fuck that". I don’t have a problem that they have > an opinion and that they want to express it, but I have a problem in the > way they express it. No one is gonna take those kind of people > seriously until they act more intelligent. Also, some of these flamers > may call me a poser or not a true fan, but the truth is, I am not a fan > of any band. I am fan of that band’s good music, and if a particular > band happened to acheive that many times in succession, that’s merely > coincidence. And of course I go to concerts. And if someone asks me, > "You like Iron Maiden?", I’m not gonna say "No, I like their good > music.", because I know what they meant when they asked me the question > and I am not some stupid technical jackass. > Hopefully this letter will spark some intelligent discussion, but as for > the less intelligent, I fear, they will be stuck trying to sound out > some of my vocabulary. > Lance Williams > Just because I don’t say it… > Don’t mean I ain’t thinkin’ it…
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You should check out some progressive metal. It’s mostly inspired by classical music, very technical, and they often use orchestras. Have a listen to bands like Rhapsody (& Luca Turilli), Blind Guardian, Kamelot, Virgin Steele and Stratovarius. Now there is some quality metal! You can find a lot of prog. metal on napster (http://www.napster.com/) David Scarlett UIN: 5666171
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> I read every damn word. It’s was a refreshing read compared to your > post.
<clap clap> That was great. What wit you have. — Cheerio, Mal
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too much right brain not enough left!
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Wow a typo big deal > Being on this NG, I have concluded that most people are stupid. > Go out into the real world for once then. Who told you to be here? You > are very stupid. You state "this ng", when you cross posted to five > groups. *You* would conclude that, from reading FIVE metal groups. > Stupid asshole.
– Lance Williams Just because I don’t say it… Don’t mean I ain’t thinkin’ it…
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>Being on this NG, I have concluded that most people are stupid. I am >being serious, not negative. [..]
Sure you are being serious, hence a post starting a new thread about "this newsgroup" crossposted to seven different newsgroups. Happy trolling. —
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I bet you didn’t even read it. I know I didn’t. > — > Cheerio, > Mal > Well said. I couldn’t agree with you more. > Dan
I read every damn word. It’s was a refreshing read compared to your post. Dan
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>Also some say metal is dead, which is untrue, and some have >misinterpreted me as saying that it is. As I mentioned above I believe >metal has been merely weakened by the commercialization of the 90s. It >can be revitalized, but not by a bunch of people whining on a NG. Iron >Maiden, Black Sabbath, and Ozzy are metal, but they won’t be around for >much longer. Although Pantera’s good, they’re not that good, and >therefore not in any position to lead a metal comeback either. Korn, >Limp Bizkit, and such are way too trendy and sucky plus they’re not even >music.
Why must something be mainstream for you to understand it? You want to hear quality metal? It’s real easy. I posted several websites, which you seemingly ignored. Metal isn’t dead, it isn’t anywhere *close* to being dead. Just cause you don’t see metal on MTV or hear it on the radio doesn’t mean it’s not out there. You say commericialization has ruined metal? No, it hasn’t! There’s lots of good metal out there, it’s just NOT commercial. Try any of these: Blind Guardian Rhapsody Luca Turilli Skyclad In Flames Iced Earth Helloween Gamma Ray HammerFall Nightwish Destiny’s End White Skull Virgin Steele Grave Digger Rage Running Wild Children of Bodom Heimdall Therion Amorphis King Diamond Mercyful Fate Iron Savior Jag Panzer (Morgana) Lefay Savatage Royal Hunt Shadow Gallery Stratovarius Secret Sphere Edguy U.D.O. Armored Saint Metal Church Angel Dust Demons and Wizards Seven Witches Domine Squealer Freedom Call >Lance Williams >Just because I don’t say it… >Don’t mean I ain’t thinkin’ it…
Danny Shiflet "You, don’t have to wait, I’ll be too late, When you meet to jump off the edge. I’m not like you and I don’t wanna be, Follow the times to a place you can’t see Don’t call in doubt what the fashion may bring and you’ll be…falling down!"-Edguy, Falling Down
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I bet you didn’t even read it. I know I didn’t. — Cheerio, Mal
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well said. I couldn’t agree with you more. > Dan
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Being on this NG, I have concluded that most people are stupid. I am >being serious, not negative. Very few people are true musical >geniuses. That’s the principle that "popular music" sells on: that most >people barely even have a one-year-old’s understanding of music are >easily attracted by trendy, catchy, very simple music. These people >would say, "It wouldn’t sound as good with more notes." A true genius >would recognize where notes should be added to make it a good song. >Honestly, with the songs I consider good, I can’t find a place where >more notes would be necessary, and that’s what makes them good songs. >And the good songs were not inspired by drug use, because if you knew >anything about music, you would know that Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray >Vaughan, two of the greatest guitarists ever, were at their best when >they were clean. It’s just coincidence that people like Ozzy, Black >Sabbath, and Dave Mustaine were on drugs when they wrote their best >stuff. >Music wasn’t truly appreciated as its own art until the 1700s, but the >pre-1700s weren’t music’s worst years; the 90s was the worst musical >period in history because too many steps were taken backwards, contrary >to the pre-1700s in which music was not going backwards, only slowly >forwards. It would have been better for the 90s not to happen at all. >First, commercialization kicked in, and Metallica got involved in it, >and now Megadeth is getting into it, too. And frankly, it has impaired >their ability to write good music. I am not saying metal is dead, just >weakened, but if you think these bands will lead the resurgence, good >luck, because they’re not really metal anymore. Maybe the Loads and >Risk are good, but why have scraps when you can have a whole meal like >Master of Puppets or Rust in Peace. In fact, this was the main reason I >got into metal. Just three to four years ago I used to listen to what >radio fed me, which is less than scraps, but then I heard Master of >Puppets and my musical knowledge and understanding grew by leaps and >bounds; that single album changed my whole perspective on music. Soon >after, I had heard every Metallica album, and got into Megadeth, Black >Sabbath, Ozzy, Guns N’ Roses, plus other great bands, and, more >recently, Iron Maiden. >Also some say metal is dead, which is untrue, and some have >misinterpreted me as saying that it is. As I mentioned above I believe >metal has been merely weakened by the commercialization of the 90s. It >can be revitalized, but not by a bunch of people whining on a NG. Iron >Maiden, Black Sabbath, and Ozzy are metal, but they won’t be around for >much longer. Although Pantera’s good, they’re not that good, and >therefore not in any position to lead a metal comeback either. Korn, >Limp Bizkit, and such are way too trendy and sucky plus they’re not even >music. >This is gonna get a lot of flames, I know, but only from those less >intelligent people I mentioned, who’ll just respond somewhat like this: >"fuck you fuck this fuck that". I don’t have a problem that they have >an opinion and that they want to express it, but I have a problem in the >way they express it. No one is gonna take those kind of people >seriously until they act more intelligent. Also, some of these flamers >may call me a poser or not a true fan, but the truth is, I am not a fan >of any band. I am fan of that band’s good music, and if a particular >band happened to acheive that many times in succession, that’s merely >coincidence. And of course I go to concerts. And if someone asks me, >"You like Iron Maiden?", I’m not gonna say "No, I like their good >music.", because I know what they meant when they asked me the question >and I am not some stupid technical jackass. >Hopefully this letter will spark some intelligent discussion, but as for >the less intelligent, I fear, they will be stuck trying to sound out >some of my vocabulary. >Lance Williams >Just because I don’t say it… >Don’t mean I ain’t thinkin’ it…
This is Usenet. And on the 9th day, Bill Gates created Windows 3.11, and on the tenth day, Steve Case created AOL. It all went downhill from there. Usenet is full of idiots now, don’t expect decent conversation anymore. =) Oh and besides, insinuating people who flame other people will flame you just because you posted this isn’t a good way to get intelligent replies, y’know, they’ll take one look at it and go: "Easy piss-off!" whee!
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> Being on this NG, I have concluded that most people are stupid.
Go out into the real world for once then. Who told you to be here? You are very stupid. You state "this ng", when you cross posted to five groups. *You* would conclude that, from reading FIVE metal groups. Stupid asshole.
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Being on this NG, I have concluded that most people are stupid. I am being serious, not negative. Very few people are true musical geniuses. That’s the principle that "popular music" sells on: that most people barely even have a one-year-old’s understanding of music are easily attracted by trendy, catchy, very simple music. These people would say, "It wouldn’t sound as good with more notes." A true genius would recognize where notes should be added to make it a good song. Honestly, with the songs I consider good, I can’t find a place where more notes would be necessary, and that’s what makes them good songs. And the good songs were not inspired by drug use, because if you knew anything about music, you would know that Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan, two of the greatest guitarists ever, were at their best when they were clean. It’s just coincidence that people like Ozzy, Black Sabbath, and Dave Mustaine were on drugs when they wrote their best stuff. Music wasn’t truly appreciated as its own art until the 1700s, but the pre-1700s weren’t music’s worst years; the 90s was the worst musical period in history because too many steps were taken backwards, contrary to the pre-1700s in which music was not going backwards, only slowly forwards. It would have been better for the 90s not to happen at all. First, commercialization kicked in, and Metallica got involved in it, and now Megadeth is getting into it, too. And frankly, it has impaired their ability to write good music. I am not saying metal is dead, just weakened, but if you think these bands will lead the resurgence, good luck, because they’re not really metal anymore. Maybe the Loads and Risk are good, but why have scraps when you can have a whole meal like Master of Puppets or Rust in Peace. In fact, this was the main reason I got into metal. Just three to four years ago I used to listen to what radio fed me, which is less than scraps, but then I heard Master of Puppets and my musical knowledge and understanding grew by leaps and bounds; that single album changed my whole perspective on music. Soon after, I had heard every Metallica album, and got into Megadeth, Black Sabbath, Ozzy, Guns N’ Roses, plus other great bands, and, more recently, Iron Maiden. Also some say metal is dead, which is untrue, and some have misinterpreted me as saying that it is. As I mentioned above I believe metal has been merely weakened by the commercialization of the 90s. It can be revitalized, but not by a bunch of people whining on a NG. Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, and Ozzy are metal, but they won’t be around for much longer. Although Pantera’s good, they’re not that good, and therefore not in any position to lead a metal comeback either. Korn, Limp Bizkit, and such are way too trendy and sucky plus they’re not even music. This is gonna get a lot of flames, I know, but only from those less intelligent people I mentioned, who’ll just respond somewhat like this: "fuck you fuck this fuck that". I don’t have a problem that they have an opinion and that they want to express it, but I have a problem in the way they express it. No one is gonna take those kind of people seriously until they act more intelligent. Also, some of these flamers may call me a poser or not a true fan, but the truth is, I am not a fan of any band. I am fan of that band’s good music, and if a particular band happened to acheive that many times in succession, that’s merely coincidence. And of course I go to concerts. And if someone asks me, "You like Iron Maiden?", I’m not gonna say "No, I like their good music.", because I know what they meant when they asked me the question and I am not some stupid technical jackass. Hopefully this letter will spark some intelligent discussion, but as for the less intelligent, I fear, they will be stuck trying to sound out some of my vocabulary. Lance Williams Just because I don’t say it… Don’t mean I ain’t thinkin’ it…
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Well said. I couldn’t agree with you more. Dan
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Also some say metal is dead, which is untrue, and some have >misinterpreted me as saying that it is. As I mentioned above I believe >metal has been merely weakened by the commercialization of the 90s. It >can be revitalized, but not by a bunch of people whining on a NG. Iron >Maiden, Black Sabbath, and Ozzy are metal, but they won’t be around for >much longer. Although Pantera’s good, they’re not that good, and >therefore not in any position to lead a metal comeback either. Korn, >Limp Bizkit, and such are way too trendy and sucky plus they’re not even >music. > Why must something be mainstream for you to understand it? You want to hear > quality metal? It’s real easy. I posted several websites, which you > seemingly ignored. Metal isn’t dead, it isn’t anywhere *close* to being > dead. Just cause you don’t see metal on MTV or hear it on the radio doesn’t > mean it’s not out there. You say commericialization has ruined metal? No, it > hasn’t! There’s lots of good metal out there, it’s just NOT commercial. Try > any of these:
I totally agree with you. You know, there seem to be a lot of people out there who only listen to 3-5 bands. Lame. I think that’s where this sort of mentality of "metal being dead" arises from. Sure, metal isn’t as commercially viable, but its far from dead. There’s still tons of stuff coming out, and I think a lot of it is much more creative than the old stuff. Bands are trying new things, which should’ve been done awhile ago. Celtic Frost was a band that did a lot of experimentation, and I think that flew over most peoples’ heads. But I see a lot of that stuff in today’s metal. I think if people were a bit more open-minded the scene would be a lot more prosperous.