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Many people on this forum say that bass is very related to drums. When I started playing bass that didn’t fall into my mind at all, but more I play more I agree. The ideal would of course be to learn playing but I hardly have time to play my bass ….. Therefore my question: Are there any good web-sites, books or can anyone recommend any music examples that shows how the bass play when the drums play this and that? Like more of this stuff: http://www.bassplayer.com/article/mainv/0,7220,32647,00.html Terje
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Check out all of Ed Friedland’s columns from the past few months. They have great examples of how the bass and the drums fit together. Personally, I’m a kick hugger. _ ‘ ): Ted Partin / http://members.aol.com/dblbassted
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>Are there any good web-sites, books or can anyone >recommend any music examples that shows how the bass play when the drums
I think Ed Friedland’s monthly ‘BP’ column ‘The Right Foot’ handles these issues rather well. He is keenly aware of the bass and drums’ joint necessity to gwoove well. Edward G. "You can observe a lot just by watchin’." –Yogi Berra
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> Check out all of Ed Friedland’s columns from the past few months. They have > great examples of how the bass and the drums fit together. Personally, I’m a > kick hugger.
I’m a drummer, and I’m a bass hugger. Glenn D.
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I play around the drums in a variety of ways… sometimes I’m a kick-hugger, othertimes I’ll play in the spaces… it’s a fluid thing, and you just have to work on it on your own terms. It’s a subjective thing as well, because what fits to one person might not fit to another.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Many people on this forum say that bass is very related to drums. When I > started playing bass that didn’t fall into my mind at all, but more I play > more I agree. The ideal would of course be to learn playing but I hardly > have time to play my bass ….. > Therefore my question: Are there any good web-sites, books or can anyone > recommend any music examples that shows how the bass play when the drums > play this and that? Like more of this stuff: > http://www.bassplayer.com/article/mainv/0,7220,32647,00.html > Terje
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following message: > Are there any good web-sites, books or can anyone > recommend any music examples that shows how the bass play when the drums > I think Ed Friedland’s monthly ‘BP’ column ‘The Right Foot’ handles these > issues rather well. He is keenly aware of the bass and drums’ joint necessity > to gwoove well. > Edward G. > "You can observe a lot just by watchin’." –Yogi Berra
Gwoovin’….I think we has another AGB-ism. heheh 
-Z
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I find the more I play with this particular drummer I have ( a real monster), I listen most to his overall grove (kick/snare/hat pattern). I tend to play more melodically than most players in my genre (hard rock-cover bands), but only in the context of the overall groove. As far as books geared towards said bass/ drums interaction, I know of none but you might listen to these players I enjoy – Carl Palmer, John Wetton, Sting, Geddy (F#$% yea!!!), Wootten, Jaco, anything by the Dregs, Eric Johnson’s live stuff, the Who, and as strange as it may seem, ACDC… simplicity at its’ finest I also think it comes with "time in service" playing with good drummers… there’s nothing like the feeling of the kick coming though 4k watts of JBL subs…. shakes your balls….
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Many people on this forum say that bass is very related to drums. When I > started playing bass that didn’t fall into my mind at all, but more I play > more I agree. The ideal would of course be to learn playing but I hardly > have time to play my bass ….. > Therefore my question: Are there any good web-sites, books or can anyone > recommend any music examples that shows how the bass play when the drums > play this and that? Like more of this stuff: > http://www.bassplayer.com/article/mainv/0,7220,32647,00.html > Terje
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i like to gwoove on my bwass — The Man: Kristoff Lajoie – www.kristoff.4t.com The Band: Audio Out - www.audioout.live.com.au "I tried to kill myself by swallowing a frisbee a couple of times and believe me, it’s pretty cool." http://realultimatepower.net/
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Just like i thought! When i started playing bass bass, and heard it was part of the ‘rhythm section’ i thought ‘What??? No way! What an insult! The bass is a melodic instrument!’ But now i’ve learnt to realise the importance of the bass and drums gwooving (no typo) is really major! Kinda like i reckon, with guitar and vocals sometimes. I find that it greatly depends on the drummer…some drummers i’ve jammed with, just in the first 10 minutes i’ve got "oooh yea!" and sometimes, i’ve just been like "hmmm…nup." Of-course there’s a million other *logical* factors as well!!! But i always notice this effect with drummers – ‘the 10 minute factor’! — The Man: Kristoff Lajoie – www.kristoff.4t.com The Band: Audio Out - www.audioout.live.com.au "I tried to kill myself by swallowing a frisbee a couple of times and believe me, it’s pretty cool." http://realultimatepower.net/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Many people on this forum say that bass is very related to drums. When I > started playing bass that didn’t fall into my mind at all, but more I play > more I agree. The ideal would of course be to learn playing but I hardly > have time to play my bass ….. > Therefore my question: Are there any good web-sites, books or can anyone > recommend any music examples that shows how the bass play when the drums > play this and that? Like more of this stuff: > http://www.bassplayer.com/article/mainv/0,7220,32647,00.html > Terje
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I don’t think it can be "shown" the relationship is heard and felt,,, a constant push and pull between a barrage of notes and rhythms with plenty of space to allow it to breath…. Impossible to see,,, but easy to feel. When it’s right you just kick back and smile and let the groove be your guide. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Therefore my question: Are there any good web-sites, books or can anyone >recommend any music examples that shows how the bass play when the drums >play this and that? Like more of this stuff: >http://www.bassplayer.com/article/mainv/0,7220,32647,00.html >Terje
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"impossible to see…the music clouds everything. But this i am sure of. Do their duties, the bass players will." — The Man: Kristoff Lajoie – www.kristoff.4t.com The Band: Audio Out - www.audioout.live.com.au "I tried to kill myself by swallowing a frisbee a couple of times and believe me, it’s pretty cool." http://realultimatepower.net/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t think it can be "shown" the relationship is heard and felt,,, a > constant push and pull between a barrage of notes and rhythms with > plenty of space to allow it to breath…. > Impossible to see,,, but easy to feel. > When it’s right you just kick back and smile and let the groove be your > guide. >Therefore my question: Are there any good web-sites, books or can anyone >recommend any music examples that shows how the bass play when the drums >play this and that? Like more of this stuff: >http://www.bassplayer.com/article/mainv/0,7220,32647,00.html >Terje
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I hope this is understandable,,,it’s tough to put into English, but.. you can play "on" the drums, or "off" the drums. The style of music you’re playing at the moment decides. Pay attention to this while you’re listening to good recordings, compare funk, rock, jazz and metal, and you’ll see what I mean.
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IMO, if you play a little ahead, you’ll funkyfy the song. And if you play a little after, you’ll rockyfy it. That’s the whole bass technique in a nutshell. — Henry I don’t know anything about music. In my line you don’t have to. –Elvis Presley Improvisation: the art of thinking and performing music simultaneously. –Grove Dictionary of Music (1954) You can reach me at henryhpaul at wanadoo dot fr – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I hope this is understandable,,,it’s tough to put into English, but.. > you can play "on" the drums, or "off" the drums. The style of > music you’re playing at the moment decides. Pay attention to this > while you’re listening to good recordings, compare funk, rock, > jazz and metal, and you’ll see what I mean.
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> I play around the drums in a variety of ways… sometimes I’m a kick-hugger, > othertimes I’ll play in the spaces… it’s a fluid thing, and you just have > to work on it on your own terms. It’s a subjective thing as well, because > what fits to one person might not fit to another.
This is right-on. As I have gotten more experienced, I have grown to feel that there is far too much emphasis on the bass and the drums hitting at precisely the same instant. That is the sound of programmed music, not living, breathing musicians. It can be a very difficult thing to explain to a drummer (Imagine that.), that we don’t have to be hitting 100% together to be in perfect sync with one another. Moreover, the way a player weaves the meter together while maintaining the tempo’s forward momentum is what gives him and rest of the rhythm section their unique flavor. Really good drummers figure out very quickly where in the middle to meet you in this dance. I long for these cats. Mediocre ones get it occasionally, usually before they have had too much to drink. Poor ones never catch a clue (these are the guys that you have to spread the beat out for, to make them sound competent). Edward G. ‘A man, what has he got, if not his goons, then he has not…’ –Francis Albert
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Thank for your ideqas and thoughts. Henry: Your nutshell was a very good one. Kristoff: I recognize the "when-I-started-playing-bass-I-thought-it-was -a-melodic-instrument". In fact (to repeat myself) the role of the bass is not stressed enough in bass teaching. Terje