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> You might want to try Death, Amorphis, Melvins, and Corrosion of Conformity.
I don’t like Melvins or COC particulary. Don’t know Amorphis, didn’t like the 1-2 Death I’ve heard either, but maybe they were lesser efforts… > They’re more Sabbathy , grooving, and conplemplative than you might think.
Well, I don’t really want more Sabbathy bands either(except Trouble and maybe Candlemass), that sound is okay but it’s not a fave of mine either. I certainly wouldn’t want more than 2 at any given concert though… Danny Shiflet "I walk the earth, another day The wicked one, that comes this way Saviour to my own, devil to some Mankind falls, something wicked comes"-Matthew Barlow, The Coming Curse
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>You might want to try Death, Amorphis, Melvins, and Corrosion of Conformity. >They’re more Sabbathy , grooving, and conplemplative than you might think.
I fell asleep during the Melvins…. ~Katie
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Not really. All four doom bands have quite different styles. My Dying Bride and Trouble come from two totally different worlds (although, both love LSD). Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The four doom bands are cool, but too many of them live could get kind of >boring, even if it is good on CD.
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I think Death is pretty cool. Although just screaming, the vocals are pretty damn wicked, and cool guitar solos. Check out Arch Enemy. Totally death metal type vocals, but the guitar solos and riffs are just unbelievable. Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->You might want to try Death, Amorphis, Melvins, and Corrosion of Conformity. >They’re more Sabbathy , grooving, and conplemplative than you might think. ></PRE></HTML>
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Here’s what I think would be a good Sabbathfest: > Black Sabbath > Iron Maiden (might not be possible) > Slayer > Death > Amorphis > Meshuggah > Machine Head (a good band, definitely metal, but recognizable, would open up > those people that want to see Korn or what not) > Second Stage: > COC (Not sure if this is possible either) > The Melvins > Neurosis > Nile > Defleshed > Some new band that’s somewhat melodic > I think this is a realistic Sabbathfest, that’d oopen people up to some > bands and types of music that they might not normally listen to. > Arg. While certainly preferable to CC/Bizkit/Korn etc, I’d still stay > home for this lineup. I hate most thrash metal, and I’m not a huge fan > of death metal either. The only bands I do like on that list are Sabbath > and Maiden…
You might want to try Death, Amorphis, Melvins, and Corrosion of Conformity. They’re more Sabbathy , grooving, and conplemplative than you might think.
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> This is cool, but you’ve got too many big names for a tour. It might work as > a one-off, but I don’t think you can get the five bands at the top to go on > a whole tour.
True, but we can dream can’t we? > The four doom bands are cool, but too many of them live could get kind of > boring, even if it is good on CD.
Possibly a good point. Still, better than a lot of stuff… > I don’t really like power metal, so I’d prefer not to see the middle four, > but I see where they fit it.
IMO, the middle 4(well, at least 3 of them) were some of the best ones listed… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The older Sabbath fans have been fairly tolerant of Megadeth and Pantera > opening for them, so I’d open it up a bit and include some thrash and death. > I wouldn’t turn it into a (death)Metalfest, but maybe pick a few more > melodic ones and try to appeal more to the mainstream metal crowd, without > making it like past Ozzfests. > Here’s what I think would be a good Sabbathfest: > Black Sabbath > Iron Maiden (might not be possible) > Slayer > Death > Amorphis > Meshuggah > Machine Head (a good band, definitely metal, but recognizable, would open up > those people that want to see Korn or what not) > Second Stage: > COC (Not sure if this is possible either) > The Melvins > Neurosis > Nile > Defleshed > Some new band that’s somewhat melodic > I think this is a realistic Sabbathfest, that’d oopen people up to some > bands and types of music that they might not normally listen to.
Arg. While certainly preferable to CC/Bizkit/Korn etc, I’d still stay home for this lineup. I hate most thrash metal, and I’m not a huge fan of death metal either. The only bands I do like on that list are Sabbath and Maiden… > Thrash ‘em!
Danny Shiflet "I walk the earth, another day The wicked one, that comes this way Saviour to my own, devil to some Mankind falls, something wicked comes"-Matthew Barlow, The Coming Curse
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Black Sabbath > Deep Purple > Iron Maiden > Judas Priest > Blue Oyster Cult > Iced Earth > Nevermore > Blind Guardian > Arch Enemy > Moonspell > Trouble > My Dying Bride > Anathema > <the last two are two of the greatest Doom Metal bands in history for > those who don’t know them. >
This is cool, but you’ve got too many big names for a tour. It might work as a one-off, but I don’t think you can get the five bands at the top to go on a whole tour. The four doom bands are cool, but too many of them live could get kind of boring, even if it is good on CD. I don’t really like power metal, so I’d prefer not to see the middle four, but I see where they fit it. The older Sabbath fans have been fairly tolerant of Megadeth and Pantera opening for them, so I’d open it up a bit and include some thrash and death. I wouldn’t turn it into a (death)Metalfest, but maybe pick a few more melodic ones and try to appeal more to the mainstream metal crowd, without making it like past Ozzfests. Here’s what I think would be a good Sabbathfest: Black Sabbath Iron Maiden (might not be possible) Slayer Death Amorphis Meshuggah Machine Head (a good band, definitely metal, but recognizable, would open up those people that want to see Korn or what not) Second Stage: COC (Not sure if this is possible either) The Melvins Neurosis Nile Defleshed Some new band that’s somewhat melodic I think this is a realistic Sabbathfest, that’d oopen people up to some bands and types of music that they might not normally listen to. > But anyways, what do you all think? Do you like some of my picks to > play? All of them? None of them? Who would be some bands YOU would > like to see there? > And do you all here wish it was more of a Metal festival, or do you > _honestly_ prefer to see the "trendy" techno, rap/hip-core, and > psuedo- shallow "hard" rock? > HAIL METAL! > Tony is gOd! But according to the "politically correct," metal bias > the media has always had at different degrees through time, he get’s > less repect from many than fuckers like TOWNSEND for fuck’s sake!
True. Geezer also deserves a lot of respect – he wrote a lot of the heavy riffs as well. > IMO Sabbath, and Ozzy, should FIGHT for the metal flag, PROUDLY stand > for substance over image, fads. etc.
This isn’t likely because Ozzy doesn’t even think of himself and Sabbath as metal, he’s said. > Please give some opinions people, all will be read, and appreciated > whether you agree/disagree, or take it on a whole new tangent. > ROCK ON!!
Thrash ‘em!
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> CHECK THEM OUT!! I think you would like. > I have their "Days Of Purgatory" Cd for trade (u.s. version, 15 > tracks) A good introduction to the band, anything you might want to > trade for it?
Yes, definately check them out. I’m ordering the import version of Days of Purgatory later tonight actually… > Again, CHECK THEM OUT! You have to SUPPORT good bands! > Take a chance on either "Politics of ectasy", or the new one "Dreaming > Neon Black". To find new bands you like, if you are a "metalhead" you > HAVE to search, ain’t gonna come knocking on your back door.
I heard a couple of songs by Nevermore, didn’t care for them too much… > kinda deathy on some stuff but not totally IMO, they have know moved > into a more Type o Negative sound, and Sin/Pecado Kills Octobe Rust > IMO.
Only heard one song, but I liked it… > Stoner band, VERY sabbath influenced, try "Plastic Green Head " if you > have the chance.
I’m also ordering that one soon. > not my fave, but better than those being bantered about > If ya want something _this_ power metal I would prefer Helloween. > But hey they ARE metal at least! 
I prefer Gamma Ray to a lot of Helloween, I just don’t like them nearly as much since Hansen left. Both good bands though… > Have you heard any Rhapsody? Pretty good.
I’ve heard one of their albums, definately good. Wouldn’t mind hearing Sentenced there either. > That’s my POINT! There are SHITLOADS of DM and BM bands I like, but > like I said, even EXCLUDING them here, there are SO many quality metal > bands I can’t believe the (IMO) crap being considered to play.
Agreed. Danny Shiflet "I walk the earth, another day The wicked one, that comes this way Saviour to my own, devil to some Mankind falls, something wicked comes"-Matthew Barlow, The Coming Curse
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -><snip> >> Black Sabbath – Leave them out, he-he…:) >> Deep Purple – my favourite band along with Sabbath! >> Iron Maiden – the metal band of the 80s. one of the all time best. >> Judas Priest – they almost equalled Sabbath in the 70s! >> Blue Oyster Cult – I saw them recently and they ROCK! >> Iced Earth – haven’t heard them yet, but should be a good choice. > CHECK THEM OUT!! I think you would like. > I have their "Days Of Purgatory" Cd for trade (u.s. version, 15 > tracks) A good introduction to the band, anything you might want to > trade for it?
Nope.:( I don’t trade, cause I always keep even the so-so CDs I get. Someday I might like them, ya know…:) Do you sell it? >> Nevermore – same here. > Again, CHECK THEM OUT! You have to SUPPORT good bands! > Take a chance on either "Politics of ectasy", or the new one "Dreaming > Neon Black". To find new bands you like, if you are a "metalhead" you > HAVE to search, ain’t gonna come knocking on your back door.
I know, I know. It’s just that my shopping list is longer than my paycheck… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Blind Guardian – the metal band of the 90s? So far – yes! >> Arch Enemy – never heard them > somewhat thrasy, somehat "classic" metal, Stigmata is a GREAT guitar > album, lotsa killer riffs, time changes, rough vox. >> Moonspell – ? > kinda deathy on some stuff but not totally IMO, they have know moved > into a more Type o Negative sound, and Sin/Pecado Kills Octobe Rust > IMO. >> Trouble – ? > Stoner band, VERY sabbath influenced, try "Plastic Green Head " if you > have the chance.
I heard already too much about this band on ambs. If I get a chance, I’ll try them out. >> My Dying Bride – heard very little, but they fit well and are good. >> Anathema – ? > Good doom band. >Add Savatage – early albums were very Sabbath influenced. Great music in >general. > I agree, another good choice.
BTW, on their Hall Of The Mountain King album (‘87) the last song, called Devastation, has a riff that starts as a rip-off of Sabbath’s Hole In The Sky and then creatively meanders into something different. Very interesting. >Gamma Ray – last 2-3 albums are killers! > not my fave, but better than those being bantered about > If ya want something _this_ power metal I would prefer Helloween. > But hey they ARE metal at least!
Well, Helloween are a great band and their recent "revival" is promising, but Gamma Ray’s Land Of The Free beats anything Helloween have done since Keeper II. IMO. >Uriah Heep – one of the 70s monster bands, right there with DP, BS, and >LZ! >Saxon – another NWOBHM legend. Still rocking! > Too generic for me, but I could deal with ‘em I suppose.
Saxon – maybe, but I wouldn’t say that about Uriah Heep… >Dream Theater – like their music or not, live they are among *the* best >bands. > I agree, Fates Warning is also good at this style. > Have you heard any Rhapsody? Pretty good.
Never seen Fates live and haven’t heard any Rhapsody yet (heard good things about them, though). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->There’s a shitload of other good bands too. > That’s my POINT! There are SHITLOADS of DM and BM bands I like, but > like I said, even EXCLUDING them here, there are SO many quality metal > bands I can’t believe the (IMO) crap being considered to play. >> Tony is gOd! But according to the "politically correct," metal bias >> the media has always had at different degrees through time, he get’s >> less repect from many than fuckers like TOWNSEND for fuck’s sake! >Tony IS God, but Townsend is not a fucker. He just got credit, while Tony >didn’t. Not his fault and he got his credit for good. > Well I just think he’s overated, but it’s just my opinion, I just > plucked him out of my head, my _real_ point was the disgrace of Tony > not getting the due he should
OK. I know what you are talking about. At moments I ABHOR Led Zep when they get ALL the credit that BS, DP, UH, Queen, Thin Lizzy, UFO, Scorpions, Sweet, JP, etc, etc should get! But I love their music, after all… NStanev # Nickolay Stanev # # Stanford University, Computer Science Department # # Phone: (650)-497-4734 # # URL: http://www.stanford.edu/~nbstanev/ # * "Nobody I know will ever take my rock’n'roll away from me." * = = * –Black Sabbath *
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><snip> > Black Sabbath – Leave them out, he-he…:) > Deep Purple – my favourite band along with Sabbath! > Iron Maiden – the metal band of the 80s. one of the all time best. > Judas Priest – they almost equalled Sabbath in the 70s! > Blue Oyster Cult – I saw them recently and they ROCK! > Iced Earth – haven’t heard them yet, but should be a good choice.
CHECK THEM OUT!! I think you would like. I have their "Days Of Purgatory" Cd for trade (u.s. version, 15 tracks) A good introduction to the band, anything you might want to trade for it? > Nevermore – same here.
Again, CHECK THEM OUT! You have to SUPPORT good bands! Take a chance on either "Politics of ectasy", or the new one "Dreaming Neon Black". To find new bands you like, if you are a "metalhead" you HAVE to search, ain’t gonna come knocking on your back door. > Blind Guardian – the metal band of the 90s? So far – yes! > Arch Enemy – never heard them
somewhat thrasy, somehat "classic" metal, Stigmata is a GREAT guitar album, lotsa killer riffs, time changes, rough vox. > Moonspell – ?
kinda deathy on some stuff but not totally IMO, they have know moved into a more Type o Negative sound, and Sin/Pecado Kills Octobe Rust IMO. > Trouble – ?
Stoner band, VERY sabbath influenced, try "Plastic Green Head " if you have the chance. > My Dying Bride – heard very little, but they fit well and are good. > Anathema – ?
Good doom band. >Add Savatage – early albums were very Sabbath influenced. Great music in >general.
I agree, another good choice. >Gamma Ray – last 2-3 albums are killers!
not my fave, but better than those being bantered about If ya want something _this_ power metal I would prefer Helloween. But hey they ARE metal at least! >Uriah Heep – one of the 70s monster bands, right there with DP, BS, and >LZ! >Saxon – another NWOBHM legend. Still rocking!
Too generic for me, but I could deal with ‘em I suppose. >Dream Theater – like their music or not, live they are among *the* best >bands.
I agree, Fates Warning is also good at this style. Have you heard any Rhapsody? Pretty good. >There’s a shitload of other good bands too.
That’s my POINT! There are SHITLOADS of DM and BM bands I like, but like I said, even EXCLUDING them here, there are SO many quality metal bands I can’t believe the (IMO) crap being considered to play. > Tony is gOd! But according to the "politically correct," metal bias > the media has always had at different degrees through time, he get’s > less repect from many than fuckers like TOWNSEND for fuck’s sake! >Tony IS God, but Townsend is not a fucker. He just got credit, while Tony >didn’t. Not his fault and he got his credit for good.
Well I just think he’s overated, but it’s just my opinion, I just plucked him out of my head, my _real_ point was the disgrace of Tony not getting the due he should
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<snip> > Black Sabbath – Leave them out, he-he…:) > Deep Purple – my favourite band along with Sabbath! > Iron Maiden – the metal band of the 80s. one of the all time best. > Judas Priest – they almost equalled Sabbath in the 70s! > Blue Oyster Cult – I saw them recently and they ROCK! > Iced Earth – haven’t heard them yet, but should be a good choice. > Nevermore – same here. > Blind Guardian – the metal band of the 90s? So far – yes! > Arch Enemy – never heard them > Moonspell – ? > Trouble – ? > My Dying Bride – heard very little, but they fit well and are good. > Anathema – ?
Add Savatage – early albums were very Sabbath influenced. Great music in general. Gamma Ray – last 2-3 albums are killers! Uriah Heep – one of the 70s monster bands, right there with DP, BS, and LZ! Saxon – another NWOBHM legend. Still rocking! Dream Theater – like their music or not, live they are among *the* best bands. There’s a shitload of other good bands too. > Tony is gOd! But according to the "politically correct," metal bias > the media has always had at different degrees through time, he get’s > less repect from many than fuckers like TOWNSEND for fuck’s sake!
Tony IS God, but Townsend is not a fucker. He just got credit, while Tony didn’t. Not his fault and he got his credit for good. NStanev # Nickolay Stanev # # Stanford University, Computer Science Department # # Phone: (650)-497-4734 # # URL: http://www.stanford.edu/~nbstanev/ # * "Nobody I know will ever take my rock’n'roll away from me." * = = * –Black Sabbath *
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Hey all, just wanted to toss out some ideas about how *I* would like Ozzfest to be (i.e. which kinda bands etc.) Personally I think Ozzfest should be MORE of a metal show! And I mean METAL , sorry kiddis but that leaves shit like Limp Bizquit out. I think a good deal of long-time Sabbath and Ozzy fans like METAL much more than the hip-hop, rapcore, trendy "techno" etc. Don’t you? Sabbath is the band MOST important to Metal history by far, and Ozzy has carried the flag well solo as also. As with all Metal bands, they are MORE talented than _shitloads_ of lesser "rock" bands but they never got the respect they DESERVED IMO. Metal is dismissed by people (and I _honestly_ think that is generally because they are "scared" of it some way, shape, or form) Sabbath is one of the most important ROCK bands ever, hell ya got Elvis, The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc. And Sabbath _should_ be there RIGHT WITH THEM, but so many people don’t COUNT them, because "they are just a bunch of the Heavy Metal nonsense and noise, and it isn’t even music" Sabbath (and millions of their fans, who could give a fuck what the media SAYS they should like) has always proudly said FUCK YOU! to those morons. Now I think Sabbath and Ozzy, should KEEP SUPPORTING METAL, and not just the latest trendy, in many cases totally simple musicians with little talent! FUCK THE TRENDS! Out of all the "true" fans of Sabbath and Ozzy (as opposed who listen/go to their shows because it’s the "in" thing to be I’m sure most would prefer METAL or at least older hard rock (by bands that WERE considered Metal at the time) than crap like Coal Chamber. SUPPORT METAL! And with a show as big as Ozzfest, it would _introduce_ many younger people who might "think" Rammstein is metal and incredible musicians and composers, to REAL Metal and all of the joys it can bring! In my opinion (and in my, alas, probably pipe _dreams_ ) The Ozzfest would just blow everyone away, instead of showcasing less talented bands, and turn into Lollapaooza two, where all the trendy people flock there just to BE there, a fucking carnival with the music taking a back seat. And I’m sorry if I’m naive or something, but I _honestly_ think a metal festival with proven quality bands would draw as many people as one just playing the latest "fad" bands etc. So I’m just tossing out some suggestions of bands that *I* think would make for a truly unforgettable show that people would talk about for years, as opposed to Lollapalooza, (my sister and a few of their friends went to _that_ festival 4 years in a row, and NONE, repeat ZERO of them can name HALF of the bands that played, for even ONE year! That’s how memorable the music was at those, and they all even admit that the reason they went, the music was secondary. *I* would like a show that was ABOUT the music, not just used as background noise!) My "rules" for bands I select,: even though I like a lot of Death Metal and Black Metal, to me at Ozzfest they don’t _really_ fit in too well, so I’m excluding all bands from those genres. But even THEY fit in better than a lot of the bands that <barf!> sound like they might be on it _this_ year. I’m excluding all "trendy" bands that just are catering to the latest sound, instead of creating _art_ on their own for IT"S OWN FUCKING SAKE, and if people like it fine. Sell-out/poser band: One who plays/creates what they think the buying public will say "hey I like this". REAL band: One who plays/creates what THEY think is great art, and don’t change ANYTHING to more appease to mr./miss mall rat so they can buy them along with their baggy pants and doc martens. I’m also trying to exlclude (with obvious exception of Sabbath/Ozzy) bands who have played this before. Anyways I would mix a lot of older classic Heavy Metal (some of which might only be properly called hard rock in these days and times) with Newer Metal bands, but bands _somewhat_ close to the classic metal as well. Black Sabbath Deep Purple Iron Maiden Judas Priest Blue Oyster Cult Iced Earth Nevermore Blind Guardian Arch Enemy Moonspell Trouble My Dying Bride Anathema <the last two are two of the greatest Doom Metal bands in history for those who don’t know them. > Anyways just tossing out some ideas, obviously there are _literally_ thousands of metal bands out there, the VAST majority of which are more talented than all these "trendy" crap bands and ALL of which make TRUE ART! They are NOT putting out trendy stuff they know might make them so much money, they are making "non-trendy" music, simply for the love of MUSIC!! (quite the opposite wouldn’t you say than a band like Limp Bizcuit, with EXTREMELY limited technical musician abilities, and NO imaginative creative art processes at work, just trying to fool people long enough to fuck ‘em out of their money and sit back and laugh at them. It’s pretty sad, when a band like this with NO talent to speak of, simply becaue of Marketing. They PAYED radio stations to play thier shit music when it came out. And sadly many "sheep" blindly follow the "hot" bands on eMpTyV and top 40 radio, I mean "hey they are playing it all the time it _must_ be good!" But anyways, what do you all think? Do you like some of my picks to play? All of them? None of them? Who would be some bands YOU would like to see there? And do you all here wish it was more of a Metal festival, or do you _honestly_ prefer to see the "trendy" techno, rap/hip-core, and psuedo- shallow "hard" rock? HAIL METAL! Tony is gOd! But according to the "politically correct," metal bias the media has always had at different degrees through time, he get’s less repect from many than fuckers like TOWNSEND for fuck’s sake! IMO Sabbath, and Ozzy, should FIGHT for the metal flag, PROUDLY stand for substance over image, fads. etc. Please give some opinions people, all will be read, and appreciated whether you agree/disagree, or take it on a whole new tangent. ROCK ON!!