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Scott Colborn has suggested that to me that I post on my Bill Lawrence pickups, that I’ve recently installed in my MIJ Kramer Vanguard. The Kramer is a "sharkfin V" shape and has a bolt-on maple neck, rosewood fretboard, and Floyd Rose bridge. I don’t know what the body is made of, but it’s kinda heavy. This guitar came to me with a Duncan Invader in the bridge position, and what I think is a Schaller in the neck. When I first got this guitar, I liked it quite a bit, but I didn’t really have the chance to crank it. It was aggressive sounding, and a bit dark, but I figured that’s the Invader…dark and aggressive. The biggest problem is that when I tried to gig with it, it couldn’t handle the volume and gain at all. Both pickups were microphonic. I put the guitar away while I decided what I was going to do. After much internet research, I decided on Bill Lawrence pickups as replacements. I ordered an L-500XL humbucker for the bridge, since I use that the most, and could get by without the neck pickup if necessary. I received it in January, after nearly three months wait. I was getting pretty pissed at the wait, which I thought was four to six weeks, or six to eight weeks, depending on where my order fell in their production schedule. I tried contacting them for two weeks, and eventually got a response offering a refund if I didn’t want to wait any longer. I figured I’d waited this long, I’ll take the pickups. I mainly wanted to know I hadn’t been forgotten, I guess. For a while, I thought I might as well flush my cash down the commode. I was so blown away when I put that L-500XL in my guitar that I ordered one for the neck pickup that very day. It took about six weeks this time, and this time of course, there was no bitching about it. I knew I was getting quality, and I knew it was worth the wait, however long it was. Crispity crunchity! This guy knows how to make a pickup! It’s dynamic and responsive, with plenty of punch. There’s no loss of high end, and it’s still got loads of drive in the low end, but cleans up nicely with the volume rolled off. There’s nothing more fun than having a guitar that refuses to sound ugly or go out of tune, and that’s this Kramer. Scott did his damnedest when he put it through it’s paces a few weeks ago, and now he’s ready to go out and buy a whammy machine and equip it with BLs! I have to tell you it was a funny sight, seeing Scott, a guy in his early 50’s…a guy you expect to see with a Tele or Les Paul, shredding his brains out with a piece of black metal weaponry! I now have an L-500XL in the bridge, and it’s perfect mate, an L-500R in the neck position. That Kramer is currently my favorite guitar. That may change soon, as I have an Explorer on the way. It’ll depend on those Gibson pickups…Bill’s set a pretty high standard, and I wonder…are the Gibsons up to it? ~Rich See my gear at the link! http://community.webtv.net/one4rich/RichsGuitarPage

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Scott Colborn has suggested that to me that I post on my Bill Lawrence > pickups, that I’ve recently installed in my MIJ Kramer Vanguard. The > Kramer is a "sharkfin V" shape and has a bolt-on maple neck, rosewood > fretboard, and Floyd Rose bridge. I don’t know what the body is made of, > but it’s kinda heavy. > This guitar came to me with a Duncan Invader in the bridge position, and > what I think is a Schaller in the neck. When I first got this guitar, I > liked it quite a bit, but I didn’t really have the chance to crank it. > It was aggressive sounding, and a bit dark, but I figured that’s the > Invader…dark and aggressive. The biggest problem is that when I tried > to gig with it, it couldn’t handle the volume and gain at all. Both > pickups were microphonic. I put the guitar away while I decided what I > was going to do. > After much internet research, I decided on Bill Lawrence pickups as > replacements. I ordered an L-500XL humbucker for the bridge, since I use > that the most, and could get by without the neck pickup if necessary. I > received it in January, after nearly three months wait. > I was getting pretty pissed at the wait, which I thought was four to six > weeks, or six to eight weeks, depending on where my order fell in their > production schedule. > I tried contacting them for two weeks, and eventually got a response > offering a refund if I didn’t want to wait any longer. I figured I’d > waited this long, I’ll take the pickups. I mainly wanted to know I > hadn’t been forgotten, I guess. For a while, I thought I might as well > flush my cash down the commode. > I was so blown away when I put that L-500XL in my guitar that I ordered > one for the neck pickup that very day. It took about six weeks this > time, and this time of course, there was no bitching about it. I knew I > was getting quality, and I knew it was worth the wait, however long it > was. > Crispity crunchity! This guy knows how to make a pickup! It’s dynamic > and responsive, with plenty of punch. There’s no loss of high end, and > it’s still got loads of drive in the low end, but cleans up nicely with > the volume rolled off. > There’s nothing more fun than having a guitar that refuses to sound ugly > or go out of tune, and that’s this Kramer. Scott did his damnedest when > he put it through it’s paces a few weeks ago, and now he’s ready to go > out and buy a whammy machine and equip it with BLs! > I have to tell you it was a funny sight, seeing Scott, a guy in his > early 50’s…a guy you expect to see with a Tele or Les Paul, shredding > his brains out with a piece of black metal weaponry! > I now have an L-500XL in the bridge, and it’s perfect mate, an L-500R in > the neck position. That Kramer is currently my favorite guitar. That may > change soon, as I have an Explorer on the way. It’ll depend on those > Gibson pickups…Bill’s set a pretty high standard, and I wonder…are > the Gibsons up to it? > ~Rich > See my gear at the link! > http://community.webtv.net/one4rich/RichsGuitarPage

Thanks for the review. I’m watin on a set of 280s. You forgot to mention the nice price! Lloyd

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I have the same compliment of pickups in my Epi and I love them.  I also have L280s & a L290 in my strat and I love them as well.  The waiting was kinda nerve racking, but now (knowing that they are upright people who shoot a straight deal) I would do it all over given the choice. To me, the quality is worth waiting for…however, the communication did leave something to be desired…I know what you mean when you say you were worried about "flushing your cash down the commode"  I don’t like feeling like that either. Thanks for the report…take care, ERic – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Scott Colborn has suggested that to me that I post on my Bill Lawrence > pickups, that I’ve recently installed in my MIJ Kramer Vanguard. The > Kramer is a "sharkfin V" shape and has a bolt-on maple neck, rosewood > fretboard, and Floyd Rose bridge. I don’t know what the body is made of, > but it’s kinda heavy. > This guitar came to me with a Duncan Invader in the bridge position, and > what I think is a Schaller in the neck. When I first got this guitar, I > liked it quite a bit, but I didn’t really have the chance to crank it. > It was aggressive sounding, and a bit dark, but I figured that’s the > Invader…dark and aggressive. The biggest problem is that when I tried > to gig with it, it couldn’t handle the volume and gain at all. Both > pickups were microphonic. I put the guitar away while I decided what I > was going to do. > After much internet research, I decided on Bill Lawrence pickups as > replacements. I ordered an L-500XL humbucker for the bridge, since I use > that the most, and could get by without the neck pickup if necessary. I > received it in January, after nearly three months wait. > I was getting pretty pissed at the wait, which I thought was four to six > weeks, or six to eight weeks, depending on where my order fell in their > production schedule. > I tried contacting them for two weeks, and eventually got a response > offering a refund if I didn’t want to wait any longer. I figured I’d > waited this long, I’ll take the pickups. I mainly wanted to know I > hadn’t been forgotten, I guess. For a while, I thought I might as well > flush my cash down the commode. > I was so blown away when I put that L-500XL in my guitar that I ordered > one for the neck pickup that very day. It took about six weeks this > time, and this time of course, there was no bitching about it. I knew I > was getting quality, and I knew it was worth the wait, however long it > was. > Crispity crunchity! This guy knows how to make a pickup! It’s dynamic > and responsive, with plenty of punch. There’s no loss of high end, and > it’s still got loads of drive in the low end, but cleans up nicely with > the volume rolled off. > There’s nothing more fun than having a guitar that refuses to sound ugly > or go out of tune, and that’s this Kramer. Scott did his damnedest when > he put it through it’s paces a few weeks ago, and now he’s ready to go > out and buy a whammy machine and equip it with BLs! > I have to tell you it was a funny sight, seeing Scott, a guy in his > early 50’s…a guy you expect to see with a Tele or Les Paul, shredding > his brains out with a piece of black metal weaponry! > I now have an L-500XL in the bridge, and it’s perfect mate, an L-500R in > the neck position. That Kramer is currently my favorite guitar. That may > change soon, as I have an Explorer on the way. It’ll depend on those > Gibson pickups…Bill’s set a pretty high standard, and I wonder…are > the Gibsons up to it? > ~Rich > See my gear at the link! > http://community.webtv.net/one4rich/RichsGuitarPage

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Scott Colborn has suggested that to me that I post on my Bill Lawrence >pickups, that I’ve recently installed in my MIJ Kramer Vanguard. The >Kramer is a "sharkfin V" shape and has a bolt-on maple neck, rosewood >fretboard, and Floyd Rose bridge. I don’t know what the body is made of, >but it’s kinda heavy. >This guitar came to me with a Duncan Invader in the bridge position, and >what I think is a Schaller in the neck. When I first got this guitar, I >liked it quite a bit, but I didn’t really have the chance to crank it. >It was aggressive sounding, and a bit dark, but I figured that’s the >Invader…dark and aggressive. The biggest problem is that when I tried >to gig with it, it couldn’t handle the volume and gain at all. Both >pickups were microphonic. I put the guitar away while I decided what I >was going to do. >After much internet research, I decided on Bill Lawrence pickups as >replacements. I ordered an L-500XL humbucker for the bridge, since I use >that the most, and could get by without the neck pickup if necessary. I >received it in January, after nearly three months wait. >I was getting pretty pissed at the wait, which I thought was four to six >weeks, or six to eight weeks, depending on where my order fell in their >production schedule. >I tried contacting them for two weeks, and eventually got a response >offering a refund if I didn’t want to wait any longer. I figured I’d >waited this long, I’ll take the pickups. I mainly wanted to know I >hadn’t been forgotten, I guess. For a while, I thought I might as well >flush my cash down the commode.

I’ve gone through a several extended waits for music gear over the years.  The gear I had to wait for that I’ve been happiest with is my VibroWorld built 2×12. Most of what I’ve had to wait for had obvious quality, but didn’t end up suiting my needs.  So having to wait for gear hasn’t worked out all the well for me in most cases.  And I hate waiting, so I haven’t given BL pickups a chance yet. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I was so blown away when I put that L-500XL in my guitar that I ordered >one for the neck pickup that very day. It took about six weeks this >time, and this time of course, there was no bitching about it. I knew I >was getting quality, and I knew it was worth the wait, however long it >was. >Crispity crunchity! This guy knows how to make a pickup! It’s dynamic >and responsive, with plenty of punch. There’s no loss of high end, and >it’s still got loads of drive in the low end, but cleans up nicely with >the volume rolled off. >There’s nothing more fun than having a guitar that refuses to sound ugly >or go out of tune, and that’s this Kramer. Scott did his damnedest when >he put it through it’s paces a few weeks ago, and now he’s ready to go >out and buy a whammy machine and equip it with BLs! >I have to tell you it was a funny sight, seeing Scott, a guy in his >early 50’s…a guy you expect to see with a Tele or Les Paul, shredding >his brains out with a piece of black metal weaponry!

I mention this once in a while.  The guitar that you’re holding has a huge impact on what you play.   I think that your guitars have as much influence on how you play, as the musicians you listen to, or admire. >I now have an L-500XL in the bridge, and it’s perfect mate, an L-500R in >the neck position. That Kramer is currently my favorite guitar. That may >change soon, as I have an Explorer on the way. It’ll depend on those >Gibson pickups…Bill’s set a pretty high standard, and I wonder…are >the Gibsons up to it? >~Rich >See my gear at the link! >http://community.webtv.net/one4rich/RichsGuitarPage

I’ve had good luck with Gibson pickups so far.  They tend to be very to work with.  Not much edge though, which is why I think people tend to swap them out.  They have good clarity though. With all these eye-poker guitars you’re getting, you need to get the other members of your band eye goggles now. Pete — Now you know why I used the qualifier "practically" –Bender

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>With all these eye-poker guitars you’re > getting, you need to get the other > members of your band eye goggles > now.

It’s kind of a sweet by-product, actually. I’ve switched sides, so that I’m on the singer’s left. That way, when he pisses me off, I can just sort of meander near him and he gets the top horn of that V right in the ribs! LOL ~Rich See my gear at the link! http://community.webtv.net/one4rich/RichsGuitarPage

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>>With all these eye-poker guitars you’re > getting, you need to get the other > members of your band eye goggles > now. >It’s kind of a sweet by-product, actually. I’ve switched sides, so that >I’m on the singer’s left. That way, when he pisses me off, I can just >sort of meander near him and he gets the top horn of that V right in the >ribs! LOL >~Rich >See my gear at the link! >http://community.webtv.net/one4rich/RichsGuitarPage

I looked over on your website to see the pics of it earlier today.   You’re dangerous on BOTH sides! Pete — Now you know why I used the qualifier "practically" –Bender

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>Most of what I’ve had to wait for had obvious quality, but didn’t end >up suiting my needs.  So having to wait for gear hasn’t worked out all >the well for me in most cases.  And I hate waiting, so I haven’t given >BL pickups a chance yet.

Same here. I’d like to find a set of used ones to try out – have heard many good reports about them. Long waits and unanswered correspondence is not my bag. Been there and done that. Peter email – alerichatbellsouthdotnet

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>>Most of what I’ve had to wait for had obvious quality, but didn’t end >up suiting my needs.  So having to wait for gear hasn’t worked out all >the well for me in most cases.  And I hate waiting, so I haven’t given >BL pickups a chance yet. >Same here. I’d like to find a set of used ones to try out – have heard >many good reports about them. Long waits and unanswered correspondence >is not my bag. Been there and done that. >Peter >email – alerichatbellsouthdotnet

I was thinking pretty much the same thing while I was writing that. You could watch Ebay.  There’s actually a lot of pickups on Ebay, because people have to buy them without first trying them in their own guitar.  Sometimes people buy pickups because of someone else’s recommendation, or they’ll have heard the pickup in a different guitar, but then it turns out not to be such a good match for them, or their guitar. So, you have to figure that they pop up on Ebay sometimes.  I haven’t looked for BL pickups there.   Last PUs I was cruising Ebay for were DeArmond pickups.  I stopped that search, because I decided that it wasn’t the sound I wanted. Pete — Now you know why I used the qualifier "practically" –Bender

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Most of what I’ve had to wait for had obvious quality, but didn’t end >up suiting my needs.  So having to wait for gear hasn’t worked out all >the well for me in most cases.  And I hate waiting, so I haven’t given >BL pickups a chance yet. > Same here. I’d like to find a set of used ones to try out – have heard > many good reports about them. Long waits and unanswered correspondence > is not my bag. Been there and done that. > Peter > email – alerichatbellsouthdotnet

Hi, I am all for it. Had put in a set of 280s onto a G&L Asat Classic which made audible difference, now getting 580s for another Asat Deluxe. Excellent value for the money, IMO. Tony

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1st I conquored midi, then black metal, then symphonies. What’s left says you? Spreading my metal mayhem to other languages, says I. Here is a taste of my newest Black Metal Opus in Spanish. Those taco heads will soon be able to fully appreciate the wisdom of the spoken Jarl. Behold 2002: The year of the Jarl. Soy jarl Sigurd guerrero Poderoso de stallion yo bebo el v

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What better way to celebrate Jimi Hendrix birthday(and Bruce Lee’s) than for me to announce that there are now two CD’s of my music available on the net.  Just go to http://stage.vitaminic.com/JarlSigurd and you will find the relevant information about how you can order either my classical CD "Two Symphonies" which features my Symphony in Eminor and my Symphony in G#minor, or my Black Metal/Jazz fusion CD "Conspiracy Theories" which features 12 songs that contain a combined total of 92 guitar solos.  Both CD’s are affordably priced at $10.80 and would make the ideal stocking stuffers for this Christmas season.  So don’t delay, go and visit http://stage.vitaminic.com/JarlSigurd as soon as possible and order your Jarl Sigurd CD! Jarl Sigurd to listen to the 12 songs and 2 symphonies that will be featured on my CD’s,visit; http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098

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JByers1044 wrote >Fuck you Jarl!!!! I useally don’t respond to your bullshit posts, but your just >starting to piss me off….please come to Hawaii so I can kick your fucking >lame ass you fucking putz!!!!!!

Why would I want to come to Hawaii.  It’s too sunny there for my fair Nordic skin. >                                        Jerry

You forgot to say Aloha.  Which raises the question, "Are all Hawaiians dyslexic" that they get the letters in "Hello" mixed up all the time?" >BTW you fucking douchbag I’m a member of BMI and have music that gets radio >play, you fucking poser!

Uh, you misspelled BMX, though for the life of me I can’t see how Jerry Byers’ belonging to a kid’s bicycle club makes him an authority on music. Jarl Sigurd to decide which song was recorded using a bass guitar, visit http://www.ampcast.com/JarlSigurd and download "Sober and Celibate" and "Education Overkill"

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>Pathetic soul?  How so?  I have two CD’s of >my own music available?  Do you have any >CD’s out featuring your own music? >Jarl Sigurd

Fuck you Jarl!!!! I useally don’t respond to your bullshit posts, but your just starting to piss me off….please come to Hawaii so I can kick your fucking lame ass you fucking putz!!!!!!                                         Jerry BTW you fucking douchbag I’m a member of BMI and have music that gets radio play, you fucking poser!

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What a pathetic soul you are. Edward G. ‘I swear there ain’t no heaven, but I pray there ain’t no hell.’

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> What a pathetic soul you are.

Pathetic soul?  How so?  I have two CD’s of my own music available?  Do you have any CD’s out featuring your own music? Jarl Sigurd to listen to the music that is featured on my CD’s visit: http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098

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I really liked them too. I used to listen to them all the time in the 80’s. I thought they were very creative. Chance – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jarl Sigurd incredulously responded when: >> Chance commented: >> LOL! That was hilarious! You sound like a third rate >> Skinny Puppy tribute band… More! More!  ;-) > Who are Skinny Puppy?  Sure sounds like a dumb name > for a metal band?  Right up there with Edguy. > Skinny Puppy were an industrial trio from Canada, not a > metal band from Finland. > Their name is a reference to their animal rights activism. > They disbanded when their keyboard player Dwayne > Goettel died in 1995. Multi-instrumentalist Cevin Key > and vocalist Nivek Ogre have since gone on to other > projects. > In my opinion, Skinny Puppy were one of the greatest > groups of all time. > Todd Tamanend Clark > Vocalist/Multi-Instrumentalist/Composer/Cultural Historian > Primal Pulse > Greene County, Pennsylvania

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> I am a great philanthropist who wishes to share his music with the > rest of humankind.

Your idea of sharing is singular to say the least. You sure "give" a lot but, really, do you think anybody will take you seriously if you admit (or pretend) you don’t know *anything* but yourself? I mean, Skinny Puppy, OK, but Tom Waits? Depeche Mode? Next time you’re gonna tell us you don’t know about Deep Purple or Metallica. — (Remove the hyphen! Spambusters at work!) listen to aaria (two and a Mac): http://www.mp3.com/aaria *** All those who believe in psychokinesis    raise my hand ***

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> >> I’m proud to announce that I’ve posted yet another original song >> that I’ve composed.  The song is entitled "Grand Conspiracy > I fart in your general direction, sir.

He already stinks enough. *sniff* Fishy. BTW, where does "I fart in your general direction" come from? Monty Python? — (Remove the hyphen! Spambusters at work!) listen to aaria (two and a Mac): http://www.mp3.com/aaria *** All those who believe in psychokinesis    raise my hand ***

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>Ah, my child, there’s where you’re wrong.  The world does revolve around me.

I didn’t know you were a vocalist!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jarl Sigurd incredulously responded when: >> Chance commented: >> LOL! That was hilarious! You sound like a third rate >> Skinny Puppy tribute band… More! More!  ;-) > Who are Skinny Puppy?  Sure sounds like a dumb name > for a metal band?  Right up there with Edguy. >Skinny Puppy were an industrial trio from Canada, not a >metal band from Finland. >Their name is a reference to their animal rights activism. >They disbanded when their keyboard player Dwayne >Goettel died in 1995. Multi-instrumentalist Cevin Key >and vocalist Nivek Ogre have since gone on to other >projects. >In my opinion, Skinny Puppy were one of the greatest >groups of all time. >Todd Tamanend Clark >Vocalist/Multi-Instrumentalist/Composer/Cultural Historian >Primal Pulse >Greene County, Pennsylvania

YOU HACE BEEN TOROLLED!!!

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[cut] > If anyone has checked out the ampcast homepage: > http://www.ampcast.com/ > you’ll see that 0.06 USD is made every time someone listens to one of > his songs. I’ve not seen this site before and actually looks quite a > good place – didn’t find any terms and conditions about spamming NGs > tho…

At least Jarl has invested that 25 bucks! Wonder what his rate of return is… — Greets, Miro

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I ran my screen resolution all the way up to 1600 x 1200, and this man’s ego was still to big to fit! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’m proud to announce that I’ve posted yet another original song > that I’ve composed.  The song is entitled "Grand Conspiracy" > and once more showcases my skills as a guitarist and vocalist > as well as my skills as a social commentator.  This is truly not an > experience to be missed out on.  DO NOT DELAY!  Visit > http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098 and > download "Grand Conspiracy" a heavy metal tune unlike any > other.  This song could change your life forever. > Jarl Sigurd > to listen to a humble, non-egotistical, modest guitarist > who never exagerates when describing his music, visit: > http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098

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Oh, shit, you oughta hear me sing.  Do ol’ Jarl proud.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Ah, my child, there’s where you’re wrong.  The world does revolve around me. > I didn’t know you were a vocalist!

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http://www.officialtomwaits.com/ -jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> jeff wrote >sounds like a bad tom waits impersonation… > Who is tom waits?  Was he one of Yngwie’s singers? > Jarl Sigurd > to listen to a guitarist whose music is 100% original, visit > http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098

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> I am not motivated by financial considerations.

Maybe you ought to be from what other’s have said of your music – I’ve never been able to download any of your stuff, but I can still sleep at night. If anyone has checked out the ampcast homepage: http://www.ampcast.com/ you’ll see that 0.06 USD is made every time someone listens to one of his songs. I’ve not seen this site before and actually looks quite a good place – didn’t find any terms and conditions about spamming NGs tho… PL

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I’m proud to announce that I’ve posted yet another original song that I’ve composed.  The song is entitled "Grand Conspiracy" and once more showcases my skills as a guitarist and vocalist as well as my skills as a social commentator.  This is truly not an experience to be missed out on.  DO NOT DELAY!  Visit http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098 and download "Grand Conspiracy" a heavy metal tune unlike any other.  This song could change your life forever. Jarl Sigurd to listen to a humble, non-egotistical, modest guitarist who never exagerates when describing his music, visit: http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098

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sounds like a bad tom waits impersonation… *head explodes* -Jeff

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m proud to announce that I’ve posted yet another original song > that I’ve composed.  The song is entitled "Grand Conspiracy" > and once more showcases my skills as a guitarist and vocalist > as well as my skills as a social commentator.  This is truly not an > experience to be missed out on.  DO NOT DELAY!  Visit > http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098 and > download "Grand Conspiracy" a heavy metal tune unlike any > other.  This song could change your life forever. > Jarl Sigurd > to listen to a humble, non-egotistical, modest guitarist > who never exagerates when describing his music, visit: > http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098

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Yes, i listened to it for about 2 minutes and when i started to listen my virusprogram alerted me: ALERT – ALERT – Jarl Sigurd-tune coming up, DISSCONNECT FROM INTERNET ASAP ! ALERT – ALERT – Jarl Sigurd-tune coming up, DISSCONNECT FROM INTERNET ASAP ! ALERT – ALERT – Jarl Sigurd-tune coming up, DISSCONNECT FROM INTERNET ASAP ! ALERT – ALERT – Jarl Sigurd-tune coming up, DISSCONNECT FROM INTERNET ASAP ! ALERT – ALERT – Jarl Sigurd-tune coming up, DISSCONNECT FROM INTERNET ASAP ! Roger

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LOL! That was hilarious! You sound like a 3rd rate Skinny Puppy tribute band… More! More! Chance

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This guy is obviously pulling everyone’s chain.  It’s just a bad joke from a person who listens to to much Depeche Mode.  Let’s put some real music up here folks, not a goddamn xylophone and looping drumbeats from a casio mini keyboard. COAX "Not everyone who wanders is lost." J.R.R. Tolkien

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes, i listened to it for about 2 minutes and when > i started to listen my virusprogram alerted me: > ALERT – ALERT – Jarl Sigurd-tune coming up, DISSCONNECT FROM INTERNET ASAP ! > ALERT – ALERT – Jarl Sigurd-tune coming up, DISSCONNECT FROM INTERNET ASAP ! > ALERT – ALERT – Jarl Sigurd-tune coming up, DISSCONNECT FROM INTERNET ASAP ! > ALERT – ALERT – Jarl Sigurd-tune coming up, DISSCONNECT FROM INTERNET ASAP ! > ALERT – ALERT – Jarl Sigurd-tune coming up, DISSCONNECT FROM INTERNET ASAP ! > Roger

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, we’ve heard it before.  You know, this stuff was pretty damned funny for a while, but the humor’s wearing kind of thin now. What I want to know is, what’s the motivation behind posting this continually?  Is there some sort of financial reward for a large number of hits, or what is it?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m proud to announce that I’ve posted yet another original song > that I’ve composed.  The song is entitled "Grand Conspiracy" > and once more showcases my skills as a guitarist and vocalist > as well as my skills as a social commentator.  This is truly not an > experience to be missed out on.  DO NOT DELAY!  Visit > http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098 and > download "Grand Conspiracy" a heavy metal tune unlike any > other.  This song could change your life forever. > Jarl Sigurd > to listen to a humble, non-egotistical, modest guitarist > who never exagerates when describing his music, visit: > http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098

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>> I’m proud to announce that I’ve posted yet another original song > that I’ve composed.  The song is entitled "Grand Conspiracy

I fart in your general direction, sir. Edward G. ‘It’s not a gang; it’s a club.’

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>This guy is obviously pulling everyone’s chain.  It’s just a bad joke from a >person who listens to to much Depeche Mode.

What is Depeche Mode?  Are They Black Metal, Power Metal, Death Metal?  Are they from Sweden or Finnland? >Let’s put some real music up >here folks, not a goddamn xylophone and looping drumbeats from a casio mini >keyboard.

There are no looping drumbeats on "Grand Conspiracy".  All the drum parts were recorded on guitar in real time. Jarl Sigurd to listen to the Nick Barker of Midi Guitar, visit http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098 and download "Grand Conspiracy"

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>LOL! That was hilarious! You sound like a 3rd rate Skinny Puppy tribute >band… More! More!

Who are Skinny Puppy?  Sure sounds like a dumb name for a metal band?  Right up there with Edguy. Jarl Sigurd to listen to music that is 100% original(yes really), visit http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098

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Brian Running wrote >Yeah, yeah, yeah, we’ve heard it before.  You know, this stuff was pretty >damned funny for a while, but the humor’s wearing kind of thin now.

Maybe for you, but the world does not revolve around you, Brian Running. >What I want to know is, what’s the motivation behind posting this >continually?  Is there some sort of financial reward for a large number of >hits, or what is it?

I am a great philanthropist who wishes to share his music with the rest of humankind.  I am not motivated by financial considerations. Jarl Sigurd to listen to music that has made Jarl Sigurd lots of money visit: http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098

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jeff wrote >sounds like a bad tom waits impersonation…

Who is tom waits?  Was he one of Yngwie’s singers? Jarl Sigurd to listen to a guitarist whose music is 100% original, visit http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098

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Ah, my child, there’s where you’re wrong.  The world does revolve around me.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Brian Running wrote >Yeah, yeah, yeah, we’ve heard it before.  You know, this stuff was pretty >damned funny for a while, but the humor’s wearing kind of thin now. > Maybe for you, but the world does not revolve around you, Brian Running. >What I want to know is, what’s the motivation behind posting this >continually?  Is there some sort of financial reward for a large number of >hits, or what is it? > I am a great philanthropist who wishes to share his music with the > rest of humankind.  I am not motivated by financial considerations. > Jarl Sigurd > to listen to music that has made Jarl Sigurd lots of money > visit: http://www.ampcast.com/search/band.php?id=9098

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>I am a great philanthropist who wishes to share his music with the >rest of humankind.  I am not motivated by financial considerations. >Jarl Sigurd

Whatever your artistic aspirations are, Jarl, your ’seriousness’ gets swallowed whole by the pretentiousness of your delusions, as evidenced by nearly everything you’ve ever presented in this ng.  If you want to be taken seriously, there are better ways to do it than to be an irritant to people who genuinely aspire, unlike you, to more than just being the center of whatever kind of attention they can attract; whether it is good, bad or indifferent.  As I tell my 15-year-old son, you should strive to be noticed for good reasons, not just any reason.  As it currently stands, you are little more than a fool. Edward G. ‘It’s not a gang; it’s a club.’

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Edward, I doubt Jarl really wants to be taken seriously. Don’t you think it’s just a huge joke ? Ari – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I am a great philanthropist who wishes to share his music with the >rest of humankind.  I am not motivated by financial considerations. >Jarl Sigurd > Whatever your artistic aspirations are, Jarl, your ’seriousness’ gets swallowed > whole by the pretentiousness of your delusions, as evidenced by nearly > everything you’ve ever presented in this ng.  If you want to be taken > seriously, there are better ways to do it than to be an irritant to people who > genuinely aspire, unlike you, to more than just being the center of whatever > kind of attention they can attract; whether it is good, bad or indifferent.  As > I tell my 15-year-old son, you should strive to be noticed for good reasons, > not just any reason.  As it currently stands, you are little more than a fool. > Edward G. > ‘It’s not a gang; it’s a club.’

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> Jarl Sigurd incredulously responded when: > Chance commented: > LOL! That was hilarious! You sound like a third rate > Skinny Puppy tribute band… More! More!  ;-) > Who are Skinny Puppy?  Sure sounds like a dumb name > for a metal band?  Right up there with Edguy.

Skinny Puppy were an industrial trio from Canada, not a metal band from Finland. Their name is a reference to their animal rights activism. They disbanded when their keyboard player Dwayne Goettel died in 1995. Multi-instrumentalist Cevin Key and vocalist Nivek Ogre have since gone on to other projects. In my opinion, Skinny Puppy were one of the greatest groups of all time. Todd Tamanend Clark Vocalist/Multi-Instrumentalist/Composer/Cultural Historian Primal Pulse Greene County, Pennsylvania

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Yes,         i was wondering if anyone knows of any black metal bass tab sites. I would be very greatful as i have searched for them for quite some time.

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http://www.metaldeath.net/ http://www.wickedland.com/ I think this one has tabs somewhere Also just do a search for the band and song, most of its there.  - the pig guy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > i agree, and there isn’t…  that’s why death metal sucks, musically…  of > course, it’s a technicians dream; they are obviously talented players; but, > it’s not music, it’s just 50- chords-a-second, quad-bass, with absolutely NO > melody…  you can’t sing to it, you can’t play guitar along with it; > basically, the only good purpose, as far as what a friend told me, is that > it’s good to lift weights to it or something like that, because it gets you > pissed off, and you try harder; in other words, he was telling me that the > music made him voilent!…

and what kind of music do you listen to? — Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. http://members.tripod.com/~Destroyer_1348974574/index.html —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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i listen to old progressive and other shit.  some bands:  king crim (only 1st and second phase), ELP, thin lizzy, yes, procol, ten years after, hendrix, dead, dylan, old rush, etc. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i agree, and there isn’t…  that’s why death metal sucks, > musically…  of > course, it’s a technicians dream; they are obviously talented players; > but, > it’s not music, it’s just 50- chords-a-second, quad-bass, with > absolutely NO > melody…  you can’t sing to it, you can’t play guitar along with it; > basically, the only good purpose, as far as what a friend told me, is > that > it’s good to lift weights to it or something like that, because it > gets you > pissed off, and you try harder; in other words, he was telling me that > the > music made him voilent!… > and what kind of music do you listen to? > — > Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. > http://members.tripod.com/~Destroyer_1348974574/index.html > —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > yes, but like, i think that Emporer are much better songwriters then > corpse.  im sorry, for i do admit that i was generalising and was >refering > to american death metal acts…  Emporer actually has a melody to >their > songs, and the lyrics take thought.  corpse is just noise, contrived, >no > thought whatsoever.  no imagery, no creativity… >one statement: >listen to "from skin to liquid" , "i will kill you" from gallery of >siucide – c.c.

        I agree that song from skin to liquid KICKS ASS!!!

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<<listen to "from skin to liquid" , "i will kill you" from gallery of siucide – c.c.>> Im borrowing Gallery from a friend, and Skin To Liquid is definitly one of my fave metal songs ever–  i’ve always loved insturmentals. -Andrew. http://members.aol.com/marduk213/index.html  (Acid Bath.) "..the lines that define begin to gray and fade now…"

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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > yes, but like, i think that Emporer are much better songwriters then > corpse.  im sorry, for i do admit that i was generalising and was refering > to american death metal acts…  Emporer actually has a melody to their > songs, and the lyrics take thought.  corpse is just noise, contrived, no > thought whatsoever.  no imagery, no creativity…

one statement: listen to "from skin to liquid" , "i will kill you" from gallery of siucide – c.c. — Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. http://members.tripod.com/~Destroyer_1348974574/index.html —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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That is some seriously evil stuff.  Sorry, I just have to say that whoever listens to that is sick in the head and needs help.

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>Nope your wrong there bub, first off im Black not white and second to >shock my mommy I simply have to get dressed in the morning with my >green braids and Vestal Masturbation Cradle Of Filth tshirt and >express my concepts about life to her…not sing a non-harmful corpse >song about cumming blood.  Of course if I really wanted to shock her, >I could always drop a toaster in her bath water! But im doing just >fine right now without going to measures of that nature!  

Wouldn’t it be just as funny if she kicked you out of the house? Chip McDonald ]]]  "Try to be reasonable whenever possible" ]]]  http://www.mindspring.com/~chipm/chip.htm ]]]  I teach guitar – check out http://www.mindspring.com/~chipm/lessons.htm ]]]  Musician, voracious reader, overly contemplative thinker, punching bag for fate. ]]] "People think I’m in my own world; that’s ok, they know me there" –  J. Hodgson

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yes, but your telling me that there is melody, there are beautiful parts?  i would have to say that you are difinately intellectualy contrived if that is the case. it’s not some philisophical fact that all music is good, just depends on the listener.  you need to see reality for what it is:  some music sucks, and is completely horrible, and there is no defense for the label when justified… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > You really think so?   Go and tell that to John Cage,  Brian Eno, or  John Zorn. > I  would like to know  if there is a school  that I  can go to so  that I  can > also  have the credibility (and or ability) to tell people if what they do is > music or not.  Just rember they said the same thing to Charlie Parker, Miles > Davis,  and Elvis.  Callling a form of music "Not Musc"  is  basicly related to > fear of  something new that you can’t understand. > Howard Ulayte > > it’s not music, it’s just 50- chords-a-second, quad-bass, with absolutely NO > > melody…  you can’t sing to it, you can’t play guitar along with it. > Playing devil’s advocate, I say… > Define "music". > Curious, > ST

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> least it is ‘real’ music- unlike all this plastic processed top 40 shite

like > backstreet girls…      In all, genuine honestly, I’d rather listen to the Spice Girls than Slayer.  And I’m no Spice Girls fan. — Mark Zedaker     ‘Users amaze accursed skill.’

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Well, it is a question suited to the philosophy of music theory. Whilst any form of rhythm or arrhythmic sound could qualify as music (and I have no doubt the proponents of this style would classify their creation as music) one would have to question what they are saying about the world. It is quite a nihilistic view. (please excuse this as a personal view. I am merely adding a perspective) I remember when my parents generation thought that Alice Cooper was quite extreme and his music was ‘not’ music. I found him humorous and enjoyed the jokes he made and the provocativeness of the lyrics (especially as his dress and presentation made my parents somewhat uncomfortable). I wasn’t and still am not of the opinion that he wanted us to see the world as a corrupt corpse. There is and was too much humour and self-mocking. With the lyrics I have seen of this group, it worries me only in as much as there appears to be no humour, as opposed to rather than cynicism, sarcasm and violent imagery (I have only what I have read to go on, I’ve have neither seen nor heard the group). I’m not of the belief that songs in themselves create or manufacture violence or self-destruction. They feed into those emotional states and are therefore sought out by people who feel that way. A very close, professionally successful psychologist friend, when hearing "Mother" by Pink Floyd, when it was first released, felt the song ’spoke’ to him – as these songs speak to others. If I had children who listened to these songs I would be concerned if they ’spoke’ to them, rather than that they found them as means to provide a way of ’shocking’ their parents, assisted them to individuate and where operating as phases of rebellion. Should they have a long term interest (and there was no humorous aspect) this would be more deeply concerning. END OF SOAP BOX Patrick (all similarly respectful opinions welcome) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >You really think so?   Go and tell that to John Cage,  Brian Eno, or  John Zorn. >I  would like to know  if there is a school  that I  can go to so  that I can >also  have the credibility (and or ability) to tell people if what they do is >music or not.  Just rember they said the same thing to Charlie Parker, Miles >Davis,  and Elvis.  Callling a form of music "Not Musc"  is  basicly related to >fear of  something new that you can’t understand. >Howard Ulayte > > it’s not music, it’s just 50- chords-a-second, quad-bass, with absolutely NO > > melody…  you can’t sing to it, you can’t play guitar along with it. > Playing devil’s advocate, I say… > Define "music". > Curious, > ST

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yes, but like, i think that Emporer are much better songwriters then corpse.  im sorry, for i do admit that i was generalising and was refering to american death metal acts…  Emporer actually has a melody to their songs, and the lyrics take thought.  corpse is just noise, contrived, no thought whatsoever.  no imagery, no creativity… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Have you EVER heard material from european death-metal acts?? You’ll be > pleasantly suprised how different it can be (musically..) from their > american counterparts… i think you should compare both forms of death > metal first… before signing off death-metal in general as > "non-melodious"…. > By the way, i don’t like american death-metal… > i agree, and there isn’t…  that’s why death metal sucks, > musically…  of course > Smelly-Sock > — > "The day I stop playing… is the day i die or when my hand >  gets amputated…. whichever comes first that is…"

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Have you EVER heard material from european death-metal acts?? You’ll be pleasantly suprised how different it can be (musically..) from their american counterparts… i think you should compare both forms of death metal first… before signing off death-metal in general as "non-melodious"…. By the way, i don’t like american death-metal… > i agree, and there isn’t…  that’s why death metal sucks, > musically…  of course

Smelly-Sock — "The day I stop playing… is the day i die or when my hand  gets amputated…. whichever comes first that is…"

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I don’t know. Ir looked more like really juvenile; just discovered puberty; "I like it because my parents hate it" kind of music to me. Given what we listened to when we were going through that stage, I expect today’s kids have to find some pretty extreme stuff to aggrevate their parents. ;-D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > That is some seriously evil stuff.  Sorry, I just have to say that whoever > listens to that is sick in the head and needs help.

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Sounds like a wonderful song.  Thanks for posting it so obviously in your title. Jordan

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: yes, but like, i think that Emporer are much better songwriters then : corpse.  im sorry, for i do admit that i was generalising and was refering : to american death metal acts…  Emporer actually has a melody to their : songs, and the lyrics take thought.  corpse is just noise, contrived, no : thought whatsoever.  no imagery, no creativity… Ever hear of a guy called Trey Azagthoth? Listen to some Morbid Angel and tell me if USA metal bands (I don’t like the term "American", I’m American but not from the USA have no melody. And if my memory doesn’t fail me, the songs on "The Bleeding" are tons better melody-wise than lots of European acts. TO say "European metal bands are more/less <insert trait here> than USA bands" is jumping into the generalization wagon again. Anyway, the problem with metal bands is skating on the edge between music and noise, and most of the bands cross the line. A few stay just in the line and THOSE are great bands, spawning a lot of copycats that crossthe line and swear the sound "just" like XXX or YYY or ZZZ band. Just my two cents. —                      Javier Gonzalez Nicolini       Ingenieria Civil en Computacion – Universidad de Chile          "Ley de Murphy: Todo lo que puede salir mal sald            Signature: Segmentation fault (core dumped)"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >: yes, but like, i think that Emporer are much better songwriters then >: corpse.  im sorry, for i do admit that i was generalising and was refering >: to american death metal acts…  Emporer actually has a melody to their >: songs, and the lyrics take thought.  corpse is just noise, contrived, no >: thought whatsoever.  no imagery, no creativity… >Ever hear of a guy called Trey Azagthoth? Listen to some Morbid Angel and >tell me if USA metal bands (I don’t like the term "American", I’m American >but not from the USA have no melody. And if my memory doesn’t fail me, >the songs on "The Bleeding" are tons better melody-wise than lots of >European acts. TO say "European metal bands are more/less <insert trait here> >than USA bands" is jumping into the generalization wagon again. >Anyway, the problem with metal bands is skating on the edge between music >and noise, and most of the bands cross the line. A few stay just in the line >and THOSE are great bands, spawning a lot of copycats that crossthe line >and swear the sound "just" like XXX or YYY or ZZZ band. >Just my two cents. >– >                     Javier Gonzalez Nicolini >      Ingenieria Civil en Computacion – Universidad de Chile >         "Ley de Murphy: Todo lo que puede salir mal sald >           Signature: Segmentation fault (core dumped)"

I dunno as far as USA death metal goes, im for cannibal corpse before Chris got fired and formed Six Feet Under, now I just listen to mostly Cradle Of Filth. Fucking gothics vamps who can play the black metal better than most and has a singer sounds like a spawn of a hell vampire unchained, Dani Filth’s  lyrics are so deep, really gothic vampire poetry, enough to fill a good poem book. COF are a good change from the normal run of the mill black/death metal, some of COF songs are almost soundtracks to a horror movie. These guys are so talented its scary, almost unhuman. They also have cool tshirts designs that really has a meaning behind them, instead of let’s say Corpse Tomb Of Mulilated shirt (Two dead corpses eatting one another out) which is just their to shock people at the mall . Im not dissing corpse since im the guy that started this whole long thread about them by posting their tabs, but I just have to step in and say Cradle Of FIlth are better than Emporer even though both bands are very talented, but Emporer is overated and Cradle Of Filth are underated!

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You really think so?   Go and tell that to John Cage,  Brian Eno, or  John Zorn. I  would like to know  if there is a school  that I  can go to so  that I  can also  have the credibility (and or ability) to tell people if what they do is music or not.  Just rember they said the same thing to Charlie Parker, Miles Davis,  and Elvis.  Callling a form of music "Not Musc"  is  basicly related to fear of  something new that you can’t understand. Howard Ulayte – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> it’s not music, it’s just 50- chords-a-second, quad-bass, with absolutely NO > melody…  you can’t sing to it, you can’t play guitar along with it. > Playing devil’s advocate, I say… > Define "music". > Curious, > ST

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> it’s not music, it’s just 50- chords-a-second, quad-bass, with absolutely NO > melody…  you can’t sing to it, you can’t play guitar along with it.

Playing devil’s advocate, I say… Define "music". Curious, ST

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> Why the hell would anyone want to play a song with lyrics like that ? > I bet there ain’t too much harmony there either. > Sounds like a case of little white kids trying to shock mommy.

I dunno what the big fuss is- this song is like 7 years old? I used to like this kind of shit when I was 14/15, mostly cos it was cool to like satan when you’re that age.. I couldn’t believe that could play their instruments that fast (the drumming is incredible) and the lyrics were funny. I grew out of it eventually, but Death Metal and its variants have a huge following.. and at least it is ‘real’ music- unlike all this plastic processed top 40 shite like backstreet girls…

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Hey, thanks a lot, Jolly!  That’s great!  It really got my attention!  I’m just shocked and speechless!  You have no idea how much I admire you now! Wow!  You are really someone special.

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i agree, and there isn’t…  that’s why death metal sucks, musically…  of course, it’s a technicians dream; they are obviously talented players; but, it’s not music, it’s just 50- chords-a-second, quad-bass, with absolutely NO melody…  you can’t sing to it, you can’t play guitar along with it; basically, the only good purpose, as far as what a friend told me, is that it’s good to lift weights to it or something like that, because it gets you pissed off, and you try harder; in other words, he was telling me that the music made him voilent!… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Why the hell would anyone want to play a song with lyrics like that ? > I bet there ain’t too much harmony there either. > Sounds like a case of little white kids trying to shock mommy. >Hmm yea if u wanna play the song with the lyrics…..duh! >>What a load of shite. Is there any point in this ? >>>I Cum Blood >>>                                          Swollen with liquid >>>                                            Ready to burst >>>                                          A load of my lymph >>>                                    Will quench this dead body’s >>>thirst >>>                                         One month in the grave >>>                                        twisted and half decayed >>>                                       She turned a putrid yellow >>>                                   I pissed in her maggot filled >>>asshole >>>                                          Fucking the rotting >>>                                         My semen is bleeding >>>                                          The smell of decay >>>                                      Seeps from her genital cavity >>>                                The smell was unbearable As I unburied >>>her >>>                                      I cum blood from my erection >>>                                             I feel it run >>>                                       down her throat, swallow >>>                                         Eyes glassy and vacant >>>                                        body dug up to play with >>>                                         Skin greasy and naked >>>                                        tounguing her rotted anus >>>                                          I need a live woman >>>                                          to fill with my fluid >>>                                  A delicate girl, to mutilate, fuck >>>and kill >>>                                         her body exceptional >>>                                        she thought I was normal >>>                                          but I wanted more >>>                                       I came blood inside of her >>>                                          chocking on the clot >>>                                          gagging on the snot >>>                                      gushing blood, from her mouth >>>                                         bloody gel leaking out >>>                                     Body buried in a shallow grave >>>                                       Unmarked for none to find >>>                                     The sickness I have left behind >>>                                        Undetected go my crimes >>>                                      The greatest thrill of my life >>>                                      Violent, climax Serging serum >>>                                             on my skin >>>                                          Back from the dead >>>                                           I am resurrected >>>                                         to spew, putrefaction >>>Jolly Spamhead, >>>"I smoke 2 joints in the morning" >>>"I smoke 2 joints at night" >>>"I smoke 2 joints in the afternoon" >>>"It makes me feel alright" >>>-The Toyes

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Wow. How about a warning next time for those of us with sensitive stomachs.  I almost puked while reading this.  I know everybody likes different sorts of "music", but …..wow. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hmm yea if u wanna play the song with the lyrics…..duh! >What a load of shite. Is there any point in this ? >>I Cum Blood >>                                          Swollen with liquid >>                                            Ready to burst >>                                          A load of my lymph >>                                    Will quench this dead body’s >>thirst >>                                         One month in the grave >>                                        twisted and half decayed >>                                       She turned a putrid yellow >>                                   I pissed in her maggot filled >>asshole >>                                          Fucking the rotting >>                                         My semen is bleeding >>                                          The smell of decay >>                                      Seeps from her genital cavity >>                                The smell was unbearable As I unburied >>her >>                                      I cum blood from my erection >>                                             I feel it run >>                                       down her throat, swallow >>                                         Eyes glassy and vacant >>                                        body dug up to play with >>                                         Skin greasy and naked >>                                        tounguing her rotted anus >>                                          I need a live woman >>                                          to fill with my fluid >>                                  A delicate girl, to mutilate, fuck >>and kill >>                                         her body exceptional >>                                        she thought I was normal >>                                          but I wanted more >>                                       I came blood inside of her >>                                          chocking on the clot >>                                          gagging on the snot >>                                      gushing blood, from her mouth >>                                         bloody gel leaking out >>                                     Body buried in a shallow grave >>                                       Unmarked for none to find >>                                     The sickness I have left behind >>                                        Undetected go my crimes >>                                      The greatest thrill of my life >>                                      Violent, climax Serging serum >>                                             on my skin >>                                          Back from the dead >>                                           I am resurrected >>                                         to spew, putrefaction >>Jolly Spamhead, >>"I smoke 2 joints in the morning" >>"I smoke 2 joints at night" >>"I smoke 2 joints in the afternoon" >>"It makes me feel alright" >>-The Toyes

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Nope your wrong there bub, first off im Black not white and second to shock my mommy I simply have to get dressed in the morning with my green braids and Vestal Masturbation Cradle Of Filth tshirt and express my concepts about life to her…not sing a non-harmful corpse song about cumming blood.  Of course if I really wanted to shock her, I could always drop a toaster in her bath water! But im doing just fine right now without going to measures of that nature!   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Why the hell would anyone want to play a song with lyrics like that ? >Sounds like a case of little white kids trying to shock mommy. >Hmm yea if u wanna play the song with the lyrics…..duh! >>What a load of shite. Is there any point in this ? >>>I Cum Blood >>>                                          Swollen with liquid >>>                                            Ready to burst >>>                                          A load of my lymph >>>                                    Will quench this dead body’s >>>thirst >>>                                         One month in the grave >>>                                        twisted and half decayed >>>                                       She turned a putrid yellow >>>                                   I pissed in her maggot filled >>>asshole >>>                                          Fucking the rotting >>>                                         My semen is bleeding >>>                                          The smell of decay >>>                                      Seeps from her genital cavity >>>                                The smell was unbearable As I unburied >>>her >>>                                      I cum blood from my erection >>>                                             I feel it run >>>                                       down her throat, swallow >>>                                         Eyes glassy and vacant >>>                                        body dug up to play with >>>                                         Skin greasy and naked >>>                                        tounguing her rotted anus >>>                                          I need a live woman >>>                                          to fill with my fluid >>>                                  A delicate girl, to mutilate, fuck >>>and kill >>>                                         her body exceptional >>>                                        she thought I was normal >>>                                          but I wanted more >>>                                       I came blood inside of her >>>                                          chocking on the clot >>>                                          gagging on the snot >>>                                      gushing blood, from her mouth >>>                                         bloody gel leaking out >>>                                     Body buried in a shallow grave >>>                                       Unmarked for none to find >>>                                     The sickness I have left behind >>>                                        Undetected go my crimes >>>                                      The greatest thrill of my life >>>                                      Violent, climax Serging serum >>>                                             on my skin >>>                                          Back from the dead >>>                                           I am resurrected >>>                                         to spew, putrefaction >>>Jolly Spamhead, >>>"I smoke 2 joints in the morning" >>>"I smoke 2 joints at night" >>>"I smoke 2 joints in the afternoon" >>>"It makes me feel alright" >>>-The Toyes

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Hmm yea if u wanna play the song with the lyrics…..duh! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >What a load of shite. Is there any point in this ? >I Cum Blood >                                          Swollen with liquid >                                            Ready to burst >                                          A load of my lymph >                                    Will quench this dead body’s >thirst >                                         One month in the grave >                                        twisted and half decayed >                                       She turned a putrid yellow >                                   I pissed in her maggot filled >asshole >                                          Fucking the rotting >                                         My semen is bleeding >                                          The smell of decay >                                      Seeps from her genital cavity >                                The smell was unbearable As I unburied >her >                                      I cum blood from my erection >                                             I feel it run >                                       down her throat, swallow >                                         Eyes glassy and vacant >                                        body dug up to play with >                                         Skin greasy and naked >                                        tounguing her rotted anus >                                          I need a live woman >                                          to fill with my fluid >                                  A delicate girl, to mutilate, fuck >and kill >                                         her body exceptional >                                        she thought I was normal >                                          but I wanted more >                                       I came blood inside of her >                                          chocking on the clot >                                          gagging on the snot >                                      gushing blood, from her mouth >                                         bloody gel leaking out >                                     Body buried in a shallow grave >                                       Unmarked for none to find >                                     The sickness I have left behind >                                        Undetected go my crimes >                                      The greatest thrill of my life >                                      Violent, climax Serging serum >                                             on my skin >                                          Back from the dead >                                           I am resurrected >                                         to spew, putrefaction >Jolly Spamhead, >"I smoke 2 joints in the morning" >"I smoke 2 joints at night" >"I smoke 2 joints in the afternoon" >"It makes me feel alright" >-The Toyes

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Why the hell would anyone want to play a song with lyrics like that ? I bet there ain’t too much harmony there either. Sounds like a case of little white kids trying to shock mommy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hmm yea if u wanna play the song with the lyrics…..duh! >What a load of shite. Is there any point in this ? >>I Cum Blood >>                                          Swollen with liquid >>                                            Ready to burst >>                                          A load of my lymph >>                                    Will quench this dead body’s >>thirst >>                                         One month in the grave >>                                        twisted and half decayed >>                                       She turned a putrid yellow >>                                   I pissed in her maggot filled >>asshole >>                                          Fucking the rotting >>                                         My semen is bleeding >>                                          The smell of decay >>                                      Seeps from her genital cavity >>                                The smell was unbearable As I unburied >>her >>                                      I cum blood from my erection >>                                             I feel it run >>                                       down her throat, swallow >>                                         Eyes glassy and vacant >>                                        body dug up to play with >>                                         Skin greasy and naked >>                                        tounguing her rotted anus >>                                          I need a live woman >>                                          to fill with my fluid >>                                  A delicate girl, to mutilate, fuck >>and kill >>                                         her body exceptional >>                                        she thought I was normal >>                                          but I wanted more >>                                       I came blood inside of her >>                                          chocking on the clot >>                                          gagging on the snot >>                                      gushing blood, from her mouth >>                                         bloody gel leaking out >>                                     Body buried in a shallow grave >>                                       Unmarked for none to find >>                                     The sickness I have left behind >>                                        Undetected go my crimes >>                                      The greatest thrill of my life >>                                      Violent, climax Serging serum >>                                             on my skin >>                                          Back from the dead >>                                           I am resurrected >>                                         to spew, putrefaction >>Jolly Spamhead, >>"I smoke 2 joints in the morning" >>"I smoke 2 joints at night" >>"I smoke 2 joints in the afternoon" >>"It makes me feel alright" >>-The Toyes

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> You might want to try Death, Amorphis, Melvins, and Corrosion of Conformity.

I don’t like Melvins or COC particulary. Don’t know Amorphis, didn’t like the 1-2 Death I’ve heard either, but maybe they were lesser efforts… > They’re more Sabbathy , grooving, and conplemplative than you might think.

Well, I don’t really want more Sabbathy bands either(except Trouble and maybe Candlemass), that sound is okay but it’s not a fave of mine either. I certainly wouldn’t want more than 2 at any given concert though… Danny Shiflet "I walk the earth, another day The wicked one, that comes this way Saviour to my own, devil to some Mankind falls, something wicked comes"-Matthew Barlow, The Coming Curse

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>You might want to try Death, Amorphis, Melvins, and Corrosion of Conformity. >They’re more Sabbathy , grooving, and conplemplative than you might think.

I fell asleep during the Melvins…. ~Katie

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Not really. All four doom bands have quite different styles. My Dying Bride and Trouble come from two totally different worlds (although, both love LSD). Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The four doom bands are cool, but too many of them live could get kind of >boring, even if it is good on CD.

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I think Death is pretty cool. Although just screaming, the vocals are pretty damn wicked, and cool guitar solos. Check out Arch Enemy. Totally death metal type vocals, but the guitar solos and riffs are just unbelievable. Brian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->You might want to try Death, Amorphis, Melvins, and Corrosion of Conformity. >They’re more Sabbathy , grooving, and conplemplative than you might think. ></PRE></HTML>

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Here’s what I think would be a good Sabbathfest: > Black Sabbath > Iron Maiden (might not be possible) > Slayer > Death > Amorphis > Meshuggah > Machine Head (a good band, definitely metal, but recognizable, would open up > those people that want to see Korn or what not) > Second Stage: > COC (Not sure if this is possible either) > The Melvins > Neurosis > Nile > Defleshed > Some new band that’s somewhat melodic > I think this is a realistic Sabbathfest, that’d oopen people up to some > bands and types of music that they might not normally listen to. > Arg. While certainly preferable to CC/Bizkit/Korn etc, I’d still stay > home for this lineup. I hate most thrash metal, and I’m not a huge fan > of death metal either. The only bands I do like on that list are Sabbath > and Maiden…

You might want to try Death, Amorphis, Melvins, and Corrosion of Conformity. They’re more Sabbathy , grooving, and conplemplative than you might think.

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> This is cool, but you’ve got too many big names for a tour. It might work as > a one-off, but I don’t think you can get the five bands at the top to go on > a whole tour.

True, but we can dream can’t we? > The four doom bands are cool, but too many of them live could get kind of > boring, even if it is good on CD.

Possibly a good point. Still, better than a lot of stuff… > I don’t really like power metal, so I’d prefer not to see the middle four, > but I see where they fit it.

IMO, the middle 4(well, at least 3 of them) were some of the best ones listed… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The older Sabbath fans have been fairly tolerant of Megadeth and Pantera > opening for them, so I’d open it up a bit and include some thrash and death. > I wouldn’t turn it into a (death)Metalfest, but maybe pick a few more > melodic ones and try to appeal more to the mainstream metal crowd, without > making it like past Ozzfests. > Here’s what I think would be a good Sabbathfest: > Black Sabbath > Iron Maiden (might not be possible) > Slayer > Death > Amorphis > Meshuggah > Machine Head (a good band, definitely metal, but recognizable, would open up > those people that want to see Korn or what not) > Second Stage: > COC (Not sure if this is possible either) > The Melvins > Neurosis > Nile > Defleshed > Some new band that’s somewhat melodic > I think this is a realistic Sabbathfest, that’d oopen people up to some > bands and types of music that they might not normally listen to.

Arg. While certainly preferable to CC/Bizkit/Korn etc, I’d still stay home for this lineup. I hate most thrash metal, and I’m not a huge fan of death metal either. The only bands I do like on that list are Sabbath and Maiden… > Thrash ‘em!

Danny Shiflet "I walk the earth, another day The wicked one, that comes this way Saviour to my own, devil to some Mankind falls, something wicked comes"-Matthew Barlow, The Coming Curse

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Black Sabbath > Deep Purple > Iron Maiden > Judas Priest > Blue Oyster Cult > Iced Earth > Nevermore > Blind Guardian > Arch Enemy > Moonspell > Trouble > My Dying Bride > Anathema > <the last two are two of the greatest Doom Metal bands in history for > those who don’t know them. >

This is cool, but you’ve got too many big names for a tour. It might work as a one-off, but I don’t think you can get the five bands at the top to go on a whole tour. The four doom bands are cool, but too many of them live could get kind of boring, even if it is good on CD. I don’t really like power metal, so I’d prefer not to see the middle four, but I see where they fit it. The older Sabbath fans have been fairly tolerant of Megadeth and Pantera opening for them, so I’d open it up a bit and include some thrash and death. I wouldn’t turn it into a (death)Metalfest, but maybe pick a few more melodic ones and try to appeal more to the mainstream metal crowd, without making it like past Ozzfests. Here’s what I think would be a good Sabbathfest: Black Sabbath Iron Maiden (might not be possible) Slayer Death Amorphis Meshuggah Machine Head (a good band, definitely metal, but recognizable, would open up those people that want to see Korn or what not) Second Stage: COC (Not sure if this is possible either) The Melvins Neurosis Nile Defleshed Some new band that’s somewhat melodic I think this is a realistic Sabbathfest, that’d oopen people up to some bands and types of music that they might not normally listen to. > But anyways, what do you all think? Do you like some of my picks to > play? All of them? None of them? Who would be some bands YOU would > like to see there? > And do you all here wish it was more of a Metal festival, or do you > _honestly_ prefer to see the "trendy" techno, rap/hip-core, and > psuedo- shallow "hard" rock? > HAIL METAL! > Tony is gOd! But according to the "politically correct," metal bias > the media has always had at different degrees through time, he get’s > less repect from many than fuckers like TOWNSEND for fuck’s sake!

True. Geezer also deserves a lot of respect – he wrote a lot of the heavy riffs as well. > IMO Sabbath, and Ozzy, should FIGHT for the metal flag, PROUDLY stand > for substance over image, fads. etc.

This isn’t likely because Ozzy doesn’t even think of himself and Sabbath as metal, he’s said. > Please give some opinions people, all will be read, and appreciated > whether you agree/disagree, or take it on a whole new tangent. > ROCK ON!!

Thrash ‘em!

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> CHECK THEM OUT!! I think you would like. > I have their "Days Of Purgatory" Cd for trade  (u.s. version, 15 > tracks) A good introduction to the band, anything you might want to > trade for it?

Yes, definately check them out. I’m ordering the import version of Days of Purgatory later tonight actually… > Again, CHECK THEM OUT!  You have to SUPPORT good bands! > Take a chance on either "Politics of ectasy", or the new one "Dreaming > Neon Black". To find new bands you like, if you are a "metalhead" you > HAVE to search, ain’t gonna come knocking on your back door.

I heard a couple of songs by Nevermore, didn’t care for them too much… > kinda deathy on some stuff but not totally IMO, they have know moved > into a more Type o Negative sound, and Sin/Pecado Kills Octobe Rust > IMO.

Only heard one song, but I liked it… > Stoner band, VERY sabbath influenced, try "Plastic Green Head " if you > have the chance.

I’m also ordering that one soon. > not my fave, but better than those being bantered about > If ya want something _this_ power metal I would prefer Helloween. > But hey they ARE metal at least!

I prefer Gamma Ray to a lot of Helloween, I just don’t like them nearly as much since Hansen left. Both good bands though… > Have you heard any Rhapsody? Pretty good.

I’ve heard one of their albums, definately good. Wouldn’t mind hearing Sentenced there either. > That’s my POINT! There are SHITLOADS of DM and BM bands I like, but > like I said, even EXCLUDING them here, there are SO many quality metal > bands I can’t believe the (IMO) crap being considered to play.

Agreed. Danny Shiflet "I walk the earth, another day The wicked one, that comes this way Saviour to my own, devil to some Mankind falls, something wicked comes"-Matthew Barlow, The Coming Curse

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -><snip> >> Black Sabbath – Leave them out, he-he…:) >> Deep Purple – my favourite band along with Sabbath! >> Iron Maiden – the metal band of the 80s. one of the all time best. >> Judas Priest – they almost equalled Sabbath in the 70s! >> Blue Oyster Cult – I saw them recently and they ROCK! >> Iced Earth – haven’t heard them yet, but should be a good choice. > CHECK THEM OUT!! I think you would like. > I have their "Days Of Purgatory" Cd for trade  (u.s. version, 15 > tracks) A good introduction to the band, anything you might want to > trade for it?

Nope.:( I don’t trade, cause I always keep even the so-so CDs I get. Someday I might like them, ya know…:) Do you sell it? >> Nevermore – same here. > Again, CHECK THEM OUT!  You have to SUPPORT good bands! > Take a chance on either "Politics of ectasy", or the new one "Dreaming > Neon Black". To find new bands you like, if you are a "metalhead" you > HAVE to search, ain’t gonna come knocking on your back door.

I know, I know. It’s just that my shopping list is longer than my paycheck… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Blind Guardian – the metal band of the 90s? So far – yes! >> Arch Enemy – never heard them > somewhat thrasy, somehat "classic" metal, Stigmata is a GREAT guitar > album, lotsa killer riffs, time changes, rough vox. >> Moonspell – ? > kinda deathy on some stuff but not totally IMO, they have know moved > into a more Type o Negative sound, and Sin/Pecado Kills Octobe Rust > IMO. >> Trouble – ? > Stoner band, VERY sabbath influenced, try "Plastic Green Head " if you > have the chance.

I heard already too much about this band on ambs. If I get a chance, I’ll try them out. >> My Dying Bride – heard very little, but they fit well and are good. >> Anathema – ? > Good doom band. >Add Savatage – early albums were very Sabbath influenced. Great music in >general. > I agree, another good choice.

BTW, on their Hall Of The Mountain King album (‘87) the last song, called Devastation, has a riff that starts as a rip-off of Sabbath’s Hole In The Sky and then creatively meanders into something different. Very interesting. >Gamma Ray – last 2-3 albums are killers! > not my fave, but better than those being bantered about > If ya want something _this_ power metal I would prefer Helloween. > But hey they ARE metal at least!

Well, Helloween are a great band and their recent "revival" is promising, but Gamma Ray’s Land Of The Free beats anything Helloween have done since Keeper II. IMO. >Uriah Heep – one of the 70s monster bands, right there with DP, BS, and >LZ! >Saxon – another NWOBHM legend. Still rocking! > Too generic for me, but I could deal with ‘em I suppose.

Saxon – maybe, but I wouldn’t say that about Uriah Heep… >Dream Theater – like their music or not, live they are among *the* best >bands. > I agree, Fates Warning is also good at this style. > Have you heard any Rhapsody? Pretty good.

Never seen Fates live and haven’t heard any Rhapsody yet (heard good things about them, though). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->There’s a shitload of other good bands too. > That’s my POINT! There are SHITLOADS of DM and BM bands I like, but > like I said, even EXCLUDING them here, there are SO many quality metal > bands I can’t believe the (IMO) crap being considered to play. >> Tony is gOd! But according to the "politically correct," metal bias >> the media has always had at different degrees through time, he get’s >> less repect from many than fuckers like TOWNSEND for fuck’s sake! >Tony IS God, but Townsend is not a fucker. He just got credit, while Tony >didn’t. Not his fault and he got his credit for good. > Well I just think he’s overated, but it’s just my opinion, I just > plucked him out of my head, my _real_ point was the disgrace of Tony > not getting the due he should

OK. I know what you are talking about. At moments I ABHOR Led Zep when they get ALL the credit that BS, DP, UH, Queen, Thin Lizzy, UFO, Scorpions, Sweet, JP, etc, etc should get! But I love their music, after all…                                                         NStanev # Nickolay Stanev                                  # # Stanford University, Computer Science Department # # Phone: (650)-497-4734                            # # URL: http://www.stanford.edu/~nbstanev/    #         *  "Nobody I know will ever take my rock’n'roll away from me."  *         =                                                               =         *                                       –Black Sabbath         *

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><snip> > Black Sabbath – Leave them out, he-he…:) > Deep Purple – my favourite band along with Sabbath! > Iron Maiden – the metal band of the 80s. one of the all time best. > Judas Priest – they almost equalled Sabbath in the 70s! > Blue Oyster Cult – I saw them recently and they ROCK! > Iced Earth – haven’t heard them yet, but should be a good choice.

CHECK THEM OUT!! I think you would like. I have their "Days Of Purgatory" Cd for trade  (u.s. version, 15 tracks) A good introduction to the band, anything you might want to trade for it? > Nevermore – same here.

Again, CHECK THEM OUT!  You have to SUPPORT good bands! Take a chance on either "Politics of ectasy", or the new one "Dreaming Neon Black". To find new bands you like, if you are a "metalhead" you HAVE to search, ain’t gonna come knocking on your back door. > Blind Guardian – the metal band of the 90s? So far – yes! > Arch Enemy – never heard them

somewhat thrasy, somehat "classic" metal, Stigmata is a GREAT guitar album, lotsa killer riffs, time changes, rough vox. > Moonspell – ?

kinda deathy on some stuff but not totally IMO, they have know moved into a more Type o Negative sound, and Sin/Pecado Kills Octobe Rust IMO. > Trouble – ?

Stoner band, VERY sabbath influenced, try "Plastic Green Head " if you have the chance. > My Dying Bride – heard very little, but they fit well and are good. > Anathema – ?

Good doom band. >Add Savatage – early albums were very Sabbath influenced. Great music in >general.

I agree, another good choice. >Gamma Ray – last 2-3 albums are killers!

not my fave, but better than those being bantered about If ya want something _this_ power metal I would prefer Helloween. But hey they ARE metal at least! >Uriah Heep – one of the 70s monster bands, right there with DP, BS, and >LZ! >Saxon – another NWOBHM legend. Still rocking!

Too generic for me, but I could deal with ‘em I suppose. >Dream Theater – like their music or not, live they are among *the* best >bands.

I agree, Fates Warning is also good at this style. Have you heard any Rhapsody? Pretty good. >There’s a shitload of other good bands too.

That’s my POINT! There are SHITLOADS of DM and BM bands I like, but like I said, even EXCLUDING them here, there are SO many quality metal bands I can’t believe the (IMO) crap being considered to play. > Tony is gOd! But according to the "politically correct," metal bias > the media has always had at different degrees through time, he get’s > less repect from many than fuckers like TOWNSEND for fuck’s sake! >Tony IS God, but Townsend is not a fucker. He just got credit, while Tony >didn’t. Not his fault and he got his credit for good.

Well I just think he’s overated, but it’s just my opinion, I just plucked him out of my head, my _real_ point was the disgrace of Tony not getting the due he should

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<snip> > Black Sabbath – Leave them out, he-he…:) > Deep Purple – my favourite band along with Sabbath! > Iron Maiden – the metal band of the 80s. one of the all time best. > Judas Priest – they almost equalled Sabbath in the 70s! > Blue Oyster Cult – I saw them recently and they ROCK! > Iced Earth – haven’t heard them yet, but should be a good choice. > Nevermore – same here. > Blind Guardian – the metal band of the 90s? So far – yes! > Arch Enemy – never heard them > Moonspell – ? > Trouble – ? > My Dying Bride – heard very little, but they fit well and are good. > Anathema – ?

Add Savatage – early albums were very Sabbath influenced. Great music in general. Gamma Ray – last 2-3 albums are killers! Uriah Heep – one of the 70s monster bands, right there with DP, BS, and LZ! Saxon – another NWOBHM legend. Still rocking! Dream Theater – like their music or not, live they are among *the* best bands. There’s a shitload of other good bands too. > Tony is gOd! But according to the "politically correct," metal bias > the media has always had at different degrees through time, he get’s > less repect from many than fuckers like TOWNSEND for fuck’s sake!

Tony IS God, but Townsend is not a fucker. He just got credit, while Tony didn’t. Not his fault and he got his credit for good.                                                         NStanev # Nickolay Stanev                                  # # Stanford University, Computer Science Department # # Phone: (650)-497-4734                            # # URL: http://www.stanford.edu/~nbstanev/    #         *  "Nobody I know will ever take my rock’n'roll away from me."  *         =                                                               =         *                                       –Black Sabbath         *

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Hey all, just wanted to toss out some ideas about how *I* would like Ozzfest to be (i.e. which kinda bands etc.) Personally I think Ozzfest should be MORE of a metal show! And I mean METAL , sorry kiddis but that leaves shit like Limp Bizquit out. I think a good deal of long-time Sabbath and Ozzy fans like METAL much more than the hip-hop, rapcore, trendy "techno" etc. Don’t you? Sabbath is the band MOST important to Metal history by far, and Ozzy has carried the flag well solo as also. As with all Metal bands, they are MORE talented than _shitloads_ of lesser "rock" bands but they never got the respect they DESERVED IMO. Metal is dismissed by people (and I _honestly_ think that is generally because they are "scared" of it some way, shape, or form) Sabbath is one of the most important ROCK bands ever, hell ya got Elvis, The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc. And Sabbath _should_ be there RIGHT WITH THEM, but so many people don’t COUNT them, because "they are just a bunch of the Heavy Metal nonsense and noise, and it isn’t even music" Sabbath (and millions of their fans, who could give a fuck what the media SAYS they should like) has always proudly said FUCK YOU! to those morons. Now I think Sabbath and Ozzy, should KEEP SUPPORTING METAL, and not just the latest trendy, in many cases totally simple musicians with little talent! FUCK THE TRENDS! Out of all the "true" fans of Sabbath and Ozzy (as opposed who listen/go to their shows because it’s the "in" thing to be I’m sure most would prefer METAL or at least older hard rock (by bands that WERE considered Metal at the time) than crap like Coal Chamber. SUPPORT METAL! And with a show as big as Ozzfest, it would _introduce_ many younger people who might "think" Rammstein is metal and incredible musicians and composers, to REAL Metal and all of the joys it can bring! In my opinion (and in my, alas, probably pipe _dreams_ ) The Ozzfest would just blow everyone away, instead of showcasing less talented bands, and turn into Lollapaooza two, where all the trendy people flock there just to BE there, a fucking carnival with the music taking a back seat. And I’m sorry if I’m naive or something, but I _honestly_ think a metal festival with proven quality bands would draw as many people as one just playing the latest "fad" bands etc. So I’m just tossing out some suggestions of bands that *I* think would make for a truly unforgettable show that people would talk about for years, as opposed to Lollapalooza, (my sister and a few of their friends went to _that_ festival 4 years in a row, and NONE, repeat ZERO of them can name HALF of the bands that played, for even ONE year! That’s how memorable the music was at those, and they all even admit that the reason they went, the music was secondary. *I* would like  a show that was ABOUT the music, not just used as background noise!) My "rules" for bands I select,: even though I like a lot of Death Metal and Black Metal, to me at Ozzfest they don’t _really_ fit in too well, so I’m excluding all bands from those genres. But even THEY fit in better than a lot of the bands that <barf!> sound like they might be on it _this_ year. I’m excluding all "trendy" bands that just are catering to the latest sound, instead of creating _art_ on their own for IT"S OWN FUCKING SAKE, and if people like it fine. Sell-out/poser band: One who plays/creates what they think the buying public will say "hey I like this". REAL band:  One who plays/creates what THEY think is great art, and don’t change ANYTHING to more appease to mr./miss mall rat so they can buy them along with their baggy pants and doc martens. I’m also trying to exlclude (with obvious exception of Sabbath/Ozzy) bands who have played this before. Anyways I would mix a lot of older classic Heavy Metal (some of which might only be properly called hard rock in these days and times) with Newer Metal bands, but bands _somewhat_ close to the classic metal as well. Black Sabbath Deep Purple Iron Maiden Judas Priest Blue Oyster Cult Iced Earth Nevermore Blind Guardian Arch Enemy Moonspell Trouble My Dying Bride Anathema <the last two are two of the greatest Doom Metal bands in history for those who don’t know them. > Anyways just tossing out some ideas, obviously there are _literally_ thousands of metal bands out there, the VAST majority of which are more talented than all these "trendy" crap bands and ALL of which make TRUE ART! They are NOT putting out trendy stuff they know might make them so much money, they are making "non-trendy" music, simply for the love of MUSIC!! (quite the opposite wouldn’t you say than a band like Limp Bizcuit, with EXTREMELY limited technical musician abilities, and NO imaginative creative art processes at work, just trying to fool people long enough to fuck ‘em out of their money and sit back and laugh at them. It’s pretty sad, when a band like this with NO talent to speak of, simply becaue of Marketing. They PAYED radio stations to play thier shit music when it came out. And sadly many "sheep" blindly follow the "hot" bands on eMpTyV and top 40 radio, I mean "hey they are playing it all the time it _must_ be good!" But anyways, what do you all think? Do you like some of my picks to play? All of them? None of them? Who would be some bands YOU would like to see there? And do you all here wish it was more of a Metal festival, or do you _honestly_ prefer to see the "trendy" techno, rap/hip-core, and psuedo- shallow "hard" rock? HAIL METAL! Tony is gOd! But according to the "politically correct," metal bias the media has always had at different degrees through time, he get’s less repect from many than fuckers like TOWNSEND for fuck’s sake! IMO Sabbath, and Ozzy, should FIGHT for the metal flag, PROUDLY stand for substance over image, fads. etc. Please give some opinions people, all will be read, and appreciated whether you agree/disagree, or take it on a whole new tangent. ROCK ON!!

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> ozzy does not suck! whoever said that is a total fag!

Ozzy is excellent. But just cause someone thinks he sucks, *doesn’t* mean they’re "total fags". I wish some of Ozzy’s fans would calm down a bit, you make the rest of us look bad. I mean, name a band you hate, if someone else likes them and you think they suck, does that make *you* a "total fag"? Danny Shiflet "We plan ahead, that way we don’t have to do anything right now"- Valentine, Tremors

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This has gone on for at least 2 weeks. Stop it! This is what the FAG wants! Stop this chain ok!!!!      

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ozzy does not suck! whoever said that is a total fag! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hello There. >I don’t think Ozzy sucks, I don’t think he swallows either. >Adam.

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Hello There. I don’t think Ozzy sucks, I don’t think he swallows either. Adam.

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All, Ozzy is just plain cool.  I’ve been listening to him for over 17 years. My first kid is going to be called Ozzy. Goin’ off the rails, Aaron   ~

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> All, > Ozzy is just plain cool.  I’ve been listening to him for over 17 years. > My first kid is going to be called Ozzy. > Goin’ off the rails, > Aaron >   ~

Ozzy just kicks ass, he’s been kicking ass for over 20 years and still is kicking ass so whoever says Ozzy sucks should shut up "Simon says go fuck yourself" George Carlin http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Alley/1351

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Are you born with no taste …. Call a kid Ozzie ……Thumbs Down ! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->My first kid is going to be called Ozzy. >Goin’ off the rails, >Aaron >  ~

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– >Are you born with no taste …. Call a kid Ozzie ……Thumbs Down ! >My first kid is going to be called Ozzy. >Goin’ off the rails, >Aaron >  ~

 My first boy will be named Harley Jamison.   >;-]  Bryant

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>  ONE DAY A MORON CAME TO ME AND SAID "OZZY SUCKS" …SO I KILLED HIM

And on another day, someone came and said "Turn off your cap locks"….So you ignored him. Danny Shiflet "We plan ahead, that way we don’t have to do anything right now"- Valentine, Tremors

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ONE DAY A MORON CAME TO ME AND SAID "OZZY SUCKS" …SO I KILLED HIM One day I saw a stupid subject by the title of ‘ozzy sucks’. I said to myself, "Oh no another Web-TV subscriber got an account from Santa Claus". I read the message and sure enough, it was a Web TV user. Web TV needs to include IQ tests with their startup kits I think. p.s. I don’t think anyone in this NG with a level head on their shoulders would condone violence against someone else simply because they said Ozzy sucked. The whole world can’t love him y’know.

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> One day I saw a stupid subject by the title of ‘ozzy sucks’. I said to > myself, "Oh no another Web-TV subscriber got an account from Santa Claus". I > read the message and sure enough, it was a Web TV user. Web TV needs to > include IQ tests with their startup kits I think.

If it’s not too much trouble, could we add a similar thing to AOL? Anyone opposed to such a policy can just look at alt.horror and have their minds changed. Wouldn’t even have to be tough, just include simple questions, like "What is your name" and "Spell the word lose." That would at least weed out most people I have to deal with… > p.s. I don’t think anyone in this NG with a level head on their shoulders > would condone violence against someone else simply because they said Ozzy > sucked. The whole world can’t love him y’know.

Precisely. Danny Shiflet "We plan ahead, that way we don’t have to do anything right now"- Valentine, Tremors

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Hey man, I use AOL, i feel I am a pretty smart person, and I love Ozzy to death. Maybe i’m jus an exception, or at least i hope so.  Ialso visit alt.horror, and I know what you’re talking about Danny.

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 ONE DAY A MORON CAME TO ME AND SAID "OZZY SUCKS" …SO I KILLED HIM

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Without Black Sabbath Ozzy would not have had a solo career. I think his solo career is better sounding than the Black Sabbath with him but, the fact is that his gurtars learned there riffs from Tonys music and some other bands.  He should be playing with Sabbath cause that is where it all started and cause he wanted to play with his friends again. I mean hey all the other musicians in the solo career for the most part are kids to him, not really a band. He spent whole decade with Bill, Tony, and Gezzer so wouldn’t you do the same?    

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I love the song Hand of Doom. Ever see the footage of them in 1970 performing in Paris? It is really good & would enjoy seeing them add it back to their set list someday even though I like his solo act more too.

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>Ozzy sucks with out Sabbath

Do work on that lil’ prob, oky~doky? I’ll try to subdue them while you pretend to get your shit together!!!!   Suzanne ~*~*~* :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "Earth is Level 4; responds to that vibration. Bright Blue Star is behind what We Are."  ~Trip Notes in passing~

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i tend to agree with you to a point i believe that ozzys success is due to the fact he had great guitarist behind him (tony,randy & jake E. Lee) surely you dont mean to take away from these great guitarist or is your comments directed at these musicians as well if so maybe you should try play their material then tell us how they suck

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>Katie >What’s HOD?

Hand of Doom ~Katie

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> First of all, I wasn’t responding to you.

Well, when you post here, you’re opening yourself up to a response from anyone. You don’t wish for anyone else to respond, why not just email? > Not really, as again I wasn’t responding to one of your posts.

But my statement could just as easily apply to anyone. You said that he was proclaiming them trendy cause he didn’t like them. I proclaim them trendy too, and I hate them. But I also hate most thrash and death metal, but it certainly isn’t trendy. > I don’t know where you’re from, but I stand by my original statement. > Coal Chamber doesn’t have anywhere near the popularity of MM, Korn or > Tool.

Around here(Texas) they do… NIN still has quite a following as well, though interest in them seems to have died down. > I wouldn’t call Tool a trend either. I can’t think of any other > bands that sound like them.

Maybe not, but that doesn’t mean they can’t be a trendy band… > And if kids are writing their names and > logos on their backpacks and notebooks at your school, consider yourself > lucky. Everyone at my school listened to Phish, Dave Mathews, and Bush.

Lots of them do too. But *everyone* I know who listens to metal as opposed to alternicrap listens to those bands I listed. I haven’t found one person yet who knows who any of the following bands are:Iced Earth, Helloween, HammerFall, Mercyful Fate, King Diamond, Gamma Ray, Blind Guardian, etc. Quite a few of them barely even know who Priest and Maiden are. > Again, I can count the number times I’ve heard Coal Chamber on the radio > on one hand. I wouldn’t really call them popular.

I couldn’t count the number of times I’d heard them with 6 hands, and I don’t even play the radio *that* much… > Other than Fate. I don’t know any of those bands so I can’t really > judge. I hate King Diamond’s vocals, though I suppose Fate could do a > great song w/ Oz on vocals.

IMO, the vocals are what really makes Fate what they are. The music is great, but Diamond’s vocals make it even better. > Plisskin > "I don’t give a fuck about your war…or your president."

Danny Shiflet "I walk the earth, another day The wicked one, that comes this way Saviour to my own, devil to some Mankind falls, something wicked comes"-Matthew Barlow, The Coming Curse

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>Who is ICP?

Insane Clown Posse >I’m saying that he’s that talented that if he’s able to sing on a song with >Busta Rhymes and make it sound good, he can pretty much do anything, >considering that Busta Rhymes just plain out sucks.

IMO, God could sing with Busta and wouldn’t make it sound good. >Who says what is trendy? I’ve never seen CC or pantera on TV before. Just >curious.

The hordes of high schoolers I know who go around with CC and Pantera shirts on and written all over their notebooks/backpacks and the *constant* barrage of songs from them on the local radio stations. Right now, the bands apparently every "metal" fan in my high school listen to are Korn, CC, Limp Bizkit, M. Manson, Pantera, Metallica, and Tool. White Zombie shows up quite a bit as well. >And besides, Ozzy likes Limp Bizkit, they were his favorite band on the ozzfest >’98. Don’t ask me why…

Must be all the alcohol and drugs he’s done in the past. The affected judgement still remains perhaps. >~Katie

Danny Shiflet "I walk the earth, another day The wicked one, that comes this way Saviour to my own, devil to some Mankind falls, something wicked comes"-Matthew Barlow, The Coming Curse

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Katie What’s HOD?

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HA!  I think that Ozzy is FAR better than with Sabbath.  I have all of Ozzy’s CD’s, and none of Black Sabbath.  With all the members of Sabbath, I still think Ozzy would rock the crap outta them! Turbo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Ozzy sucks with out Sabbath

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> Well, when you post here, you’re opening yourself up to a response from > anyone. You don’t wish for anyone else to respond, why not just email?

Fair enough. I still disagree with you that Coal Chamber is a trendy band. I think there are a lot of people who listen to Limp Bizkit and Korn who don’t even know who they are. Looking back at some of my recent posts, I seem to come across as a much bigger Korn, CC, LB, Deftones, fan then I actually am. But I take offense to Mega-thrasher’s comments that you can’t listen to these bands or anything that he deems trendy and still be a true Ozzy fan. It’s one thing to bash the bands, it’s another to bash their fans. Plisskin

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> Seems to me when you don’t like something, that automatically makes it > "trendy."

I don’t like most death metal or thrash. I don’t like any Iron Maiden album after LAD. I hardly consider most of them trendy though. There’s that arguement just completely shot down in flames… > Coal Chamber gets very little airplay on the radio and no MTV > play.

Very little? Try every hour or two, and then you’ll be right. Try seeing every high school metal fan you know walking around with Korn, Tool, Marilyn Manson, and CC written on their notebooks and backpacks, or wearing their band shirts. Nope, that sure isn’t trendy… > How are they "trendy?"

See above. Constant airplay, and worshipped along with the rest of the trendy bands. Popular until the next popular phase of music comes along. > Also, I have NO desire to see Oz do > anything even remotely close to black metal, and I doubt that anyone > else here does either.

I don’t care. If the music is well played, I don’t care if they sing about Satan, or evil, or suicide or whatever. Mercyful Fate is a damn fine band, and they’re black metal. In Flames, Sentenced, and a few others are good too. > Plisskin

Danny Shiflet "I walk the earth, another day The wicked one, that comes this way Saviour to my own, devil to some Mankind falls, something wicked comes"-Matthew Barlow, The Coming Curse

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>Alice Cooper appeared on an ICP album, as did Slash from GNR…

Who is ICP? >Appearing with another artist doesn’t necessarily mean you’re showing >talent…

I’m saying that he’s that talented that if he’s able to sing on a song with Busta Rhymes and make it sound good, he can pretty much do anything, considering that Busta Rhymes just plain out sucks. >Yes, maybe so. However, the bands he seems inclinded to tour with are >trendy bands as well.

Who says what is trendy? I’ve never seen CC or pantera on TV before. Just curious. And besides, Ozzy likes Limp Bizkit, they were his favorite band on the ozzfest ‘98. Don’t ask me why… ~Katie

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>You can do a hell of a lot more than just bob your head up & >down at a Black Sabbath show too, like oh I don’t know go fuking crazy >or somthing.

Ah….I don’t know, Sabbath just doesn’t DO IT for me like Ozzy does… It’s hard to explain. I still love Sabbath, just prefer Ozzy solo more…always have. >Do you even remember when No Rest for the >Wicked or the Ultimate Sin came out?

I remember when Wicked came out, I wish I had been born earlier so I could have gotten into the scene back then and seen Ozzy in the 80’s. I was only 6 when TUS came out! lol. >If you want "upbeat" listen to >Stryper or Hanson

I don’t mean "faster"….but maybe more positive? No, thats not the word…I don’t know, when I’m in an awful mood, I pop in NMT and it just totally turns my mood around. Now, I put in, say HOD, and it just isn’t as exhilerating. I’m not trying to start an Ozzy vs. Sabbath war…I was just simply stating I prefer Ozzy to Sabbath. that’s all. ~Katie

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Katie, I prefer Ozzy solo too but I don’t see it as more upbeat & not as gloomy myself. You can do a hell of a lot more than just bob your head up & down at a Black Sabbath show too, like oh I don’t know go fuking crazy or somthing. You are so young! Do you even remember when No Rest for the Wicked or the Ultimate Sin came out? If you want "upbeat" listen to Stryper or Hanson. Ozzy isn’t afraid of shadows & you shouldn’t be either. "Spare me from the light here comes the night & here I’ll stay….waiting for darkness."

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> Ozzy sucks with out Sabbath

Actually, he snorted without Sabbath.  At least, he did until the 90’s. But if you mean career-wise, yes, Sabbath without Ozzy certainly went farther. Look at all the albums they released afterwards (doesn’t know the names of them). — High Voltage Cable AIM:  JoshCable  —  ICQ#: 19494247 http://www.tir.com/~jtcable/lewispage.html Xenogears sucks. And the preacher said "you know you always have the Lord by your side" And I was so pleased to be informed of this that I ran Twenty red lights in his honor Thank you Jesus, thank you lord

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>Ozzy sucks with out Sabbath

*yawn* — Et in Arcadia Ego… Loki -[WWW]- http://members.xoom.com/balsebub -[ICQ]- #13134728 "The books that the world calls obscene are the books that show the world its own shame." – Oscar Wilde

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> I prefer Ozzy’s solo music way more than Sabbath. I don’t know, it’s just more > upbeat, not so gloomy….

Gloomy music doesn’t bother me, but I prefer faster stuff as well. After all, some people might consider Sentenced’s music gloomy, but it’s still fast paced. > I don’t see it as stooping. He doesn’t have to do any of it…Ozzy is already > the man. I think it’s pretty cool that Ozzy is able to do a duet with one of > the most hardcore rappers Busta Rhymes. Who else is able to?

Alice Cooper appeared on an ICP album, as did Slash from GNR… > It’s shows Ozzy’s talent, that’s all.

Appearing with another artist doesn’t necessarily mean you’re showing talent… > And about Coal Chamber, Ozzy & Sharon happen to like them a lot, on & off > stage. So, I don’t see that as Ozzy trying the "trendy" scene either.

Yes, maybe so. However, the bands he seems inclinded to tour with are trendy bands as well. Korn, CC, Limp Bizkit, even Pantera. I prefer him to Sabbath as well, but I have to disagree on these points… > ~Katie

Danny Shiflet "I walk the earth, another day The wicked one, that comes this way Saviour to my own, devil to some Mankind falls, something wicked comes"-Matthew Barlow, The Coming Curse

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>I’ll meet you halfway. Ozzy is a lot BETTER with Sabbath!

I prefer Ozzy’s solo music way more than Sabbath. I don’t know, it’s just more upbeat, not so gloomy….I am far more into the music at Ozzy shows than I was at the Sabbath show. All you can really do is sorta move your head up and down, but at Ozzy conerts, I’m dancing all over the place. That’s just me though. ><it _really_ does make me sad to see him stoop down to the "trendy" >crowd though and perform with Coal Chamber, Busta, whatever.

I don’t see it as stooping. He doesn’t have to do any of it…Ozzy is already the man. I think it’s pretty cool that Ozzy is able to do a duet with one of the most hardcore rappers Busta Rhymes. Who else is able to? It’s shows Ozzy’s talent, that’s all. And about Coal Chamber, Ozzy & Sharon happen to like them a lot, on & off stage. So, I don’t see that as Ozzy trying the "trendy" scene either. ~Katie

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both groups are fucking phenomenal Scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > spewed forth: >> Ozzy sucks with out Sabbath >Hardly. > I’ll meet you halfway. Ozzy is a lot BETTER with Sabbath! > <it _really_ does make me sad to see him stoop down to the "trendy" > crowd though and perform with Coal Chamber, Busta, whatever. > If he were to do some weird Black Metal, jazz, fucking rockabilly or > polka! I wouldn’t _mind_ so much. But it looks pathetic IMO, to see > him play with bands that he _wouldn’t_ unless they were "trendy" > doesn’t seem like he’s _really_ doing it for the art. > > <sigh> It just makes me sad to see so many bands (most far worse than > ozzy) forget their roots, and play to the latest fad. At least the > rest of Sabbath isn’t to my knowledge. > BTW, don’t take this wrong, it’s not really a knock on Ozzy, just > emotional thoughts on my part regarding what I see as the continually > increasing of sacrificing the _Art_ for a packageable "commodity" in > the music biz.

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spewed forth: > Ozzy sucks with out Sabbath >Hardly.

I’ll meet you halfway. Ozzy is a lot BETTER with Sabbath! <it _really_ does make me sad to see him stoop down to the "trendy" crowd though and perform with Coal Chamber, Busta, whatever. If he were to do some weird Black Metal, jazz, fucking rockabilly or polka! I wouldn’t _mind_ so much. But it looks pathetic IMO, to see him play with bands that he _wouldn’t_ unless they were "trendy" doesn’t seem like he’s _really_ doing it for the art. > <sigh> It just makes me sad to see so many bands (most far worse than ozzy) forget their roots, and play to the latest fad. At least the rest of Sabbath isn’t to my knowledge. BTW, don’t take this wrong, it’s not really a knock on Ozzy, just emotional thoughts on my part regarding what I see as the continually increasing of sacrificing the _Art_ for a packageable "commodity" in the music biz.

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>Ozzy sucks with out Sabbath

and you guys jump on me!!!!

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> > Seems to me when you don’t like something, that automatically makes it > "trendy."

First of all, I wasn’t responding to you. > I don’t like most death metal or thrash. I don’t like any Iron Maiden > album after LAD. I hardly consider most of them trendy though. There’s > that arguement just completely shot down in flames…

Not really, as again I wasn’t responding to one of your posts. > Coal Chamber gets very little airplay on the radio and no MTV > play. > Very little? Try every hour or two, and then you’ll be right. Try seeing > every high school metal fan you know walking around with Korn, Tool, > Marilyn Manson, and CC written on their notebooks and backpacks, or > wearing their band shirts. Nope, that sure isn’t trendy…

I don’t know where you’re from, but I stand by my original statement. Coal Chamber doesn’t have anywhere near the popularity of MM, Korn or Tool. I wouldn’t call Tool a trend either. I can’t think of any other bands that sound like them. And if kids are writing their names and logos on their backpacks and notebooks at your school, consider yourself lucky. Everyone at my school listened to Phish, Dave Mathews, and Bush. > How are they "trendy?" > See above. Constant airplay, and worshipped along with the rest of the > trendy bands. Popular until the next popular phase of music comes along.

Again, I can count the number times I’ve heard Coal Chamber on the radio on one hand. I wouldn’t really call them popular. > Also, I have NO desire to see Oz do > anything even remotely close to black metal, and I doubt that anyone > else here does either. > I don’t care. If the music is well played, I don’t care if they sing > about Satan, or evil, or suicide or whatever. Mercyful Fate is a damn > fine band, and they’re black metal. In Flames, Sentenced, and a few > others are good too.

Other than Fate. I don’t know any of those bands so I can’t really judge. I hate King Diamond’s vocals, though I suppose Fate could do a great song w/ Oz on vocals. > Danny Shiflet > "I walk the earth, another day > The wicked one, that comes this way > Saviour to my own, devil to some > Mankind falls, something wicked comes"-Matthew Barlow, The Coming Curse

Plisskin "I don’t give a fuck about your war…or your president."

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Ozzy sucks with out Sabbath

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> Ozzy sucks with out Sabbath

Hardly. Danny Shiflet "I walk the earth, another day The wicked one, that comes this way Saviour to my own, devil to some Mankind falls, something wicked comes"-Matthew Barlow, The Coming Curse

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > spewed forth: >> Ozzy sucks with out Sabbath >Hardly. > I’ll meet you halfway. Ozzy is a lot BETTER with Sabbath! > <it _really_ does make me sad to see him stoop down to the "trendy" > crowd though and perform with Coal Chamber, Busta, whatever. > If he were to do some weird Black Metal, jazz, fucking rockabilly or > polka! I wouldn’t _mind_ so much. But it looks pathetic IMO, to see > him play with bands that he _wouldn’t_ unless they were "trendy" > doesn’t seem like he’s _really_ doing it for the art. >

Seems to me when you don’t like something, that automatically makes it "trendy." Coal Chamber gets very little airplay on the radio and no MTV play. How are they "trendy?" Also, I have NO desire to see Oz do anything even remotely close to black metal, and I doubt that anyone else here does either. Plisskin

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>Perhaps the fact that they have split up has something to do with it???

They’re still going on without MAX, so therefore they havn’t split, the singer left. — Clayton Smith Encore on IRC – Find Me On: #mirc_lounge                             #korn (if I’m not banned!                             #sepultura              and sometimes  #chat Whoever gave us opinions caused a lot of aggravation…

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>We need a Sepultura newsgroup with or without Max. Lets hope that a group >for this top band starts up very soon….. >alt.music.sepultura would be an excellent forum for the discussion of the >band and I, for one, am very much looking forward to it !!!!!

Well said…. — Ollie Serve the servants

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Why is there no Sepultura newsgroup? Surley they deserve one. >>Do they still exist? >Yeagh, but are they as good without Max? > dunno, haven’t heard them yet… > — > Ollie > Serve the servants

Sepultra went down hill after Arise, that ablum was going trendy and the ones after suck. Scizophrenia (however you spell it) was the best album.

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>All headbangers and metal heads that like heavy metal music are a bunch of >pussy ass bitches. >Rappers will bust a muh-fuck cap in yo ass! – you punk ass >beeeeeeeeyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaach!

We can troll _far_ better than you can, obviously…  |  Spinoza Ray Prozak -*- ‘..burning as I fall.." |  | Death & black metal, nihilism, dissassociation  |  |         …are the spirit of evil…            |  |   <http://www.anus.com/anus/maniphisto.html>    |

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>All headbangers and metal heads that like heavy metal music are a bunch of >pussy ass bitches. >Rappers will bust a muh-fuck cap in yo ass! – you punk ass >beeeeeeeeyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaach!

Does it make any diffrence what kind of music you like???? It doesn’t dictate your personality… — Ollie Serve the servants

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WHAT GROUP ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? SO MANY HAVE BROKEN UP IT SUCKS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Perhaps the fact that they have split up has something to do with it??? > Do you know anything??????? They have not split…. the singer has left, > been forced out or whatever…. > — > Ollie > Serve the servants

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: WHAT GROUP ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? SO MANY HAVE BROKEN UP IT SUCKS : > >Perhaps the fact that they have split up has something to do with it??? : > > : > > : > Do you know anything??????? They have not split…. the singer has left, : > been forced out or whatever…. : > — : > Ollie : > : > Serve the servants : > Who cares? This newsgroup is for musicians and being a musician, you have no interest in an adolescent, image driven, talentless outfit such as the likes of these loosers. Wake up. They can’t play. JP

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Perhaps the fact that they have split up has something to do with it??? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Why is there no Sepultura newsgroup? Surley they deserve one. ><SNIP> >take it up with the ppl of alt.config >- Matt. >http://www.execpc.com/~mlowerr/ > And how the fuck am I supposed to do that? > — > Clayton Smith (Encore on IRC) > Whoever gave us opinions caused a lot of aggravation…

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>We need a Sepultura newsgroup with or without Max. Lets hope that a group >for this top band starts up very soon….. >alt.music.sepultura would be an excellent forum for the discussion of the >band and I, for one, am very much looking forward to it !!!!!

alt.music.sepultura.max and alt.music.sepultura.post-roots ???  |  Spinoza Ray Prozak -*- ‘..burning as I fall.." |  | Death & black metal, nihilism, dissassociation  |  |         …are the spirit of evil…            |  |   <http://www.anus.com/anus/maniphisto.html>    |

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Whay is there no Sepultura Newsgroup, surley they deserve one… — Clayton Smith Encore on IRC – Find Me On: #mirc_lounge                             #korn (if I’m not banned!                             #sepultura              and sometimes  #chat Whoever gave us opinions caused a lot of aggravation…

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>Whay is there no Sepultura Newsgroup, surley they deserve one…

Read the FAQ’s – no one "deserves" a newsgroup. If you wish to propose a newsgroup in alt.config, find some evidence of traffic. -Phil Oliver —– "I’m mean if you going to be hypocrite like the rest of us just admit you posturing potser." – Ruwan Jayatilleke, in

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>>>Why is there no Sepultura newsgroup? Surley they deserve one. >Do they still exist? >Yeagh, but are they as good without Max?

dunno, haven’t heard them yet… — Ollie Serve the servants

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>>> Why is there no Sepultura newsgroup? Surley they deserve one. >take it up with the ppl of alt.config >And how the fuck am I supposed to do that?

Crosspost to alt.config (see above).         SUPPORT THE WAR AGAINST AUTHORITY  |  Spinoza Ray Prozak -*- ‘..burning as I fall.." |  | Death & black metal, nihilism, dissassociation  |  |         …are the spirit of evil…            |  |   <http://www.anus.com/anus/maniphisto.html>    |

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>Why is there no Sepultura newsgroup? Surley they deserve one.

Do they still exist?  |  Spinoza Ray Prozak -*- ‘..burning as I fall.." |  | Death & black metal, nihilism, dissassociation  |  |         …are the spirit of evil…            |  |   <http://www.anus.com/anus/maniphisto.html>    |

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>>Why is there no Sepultura newsgroup? Surley they deserve one. >Do they still exist?

yer, just max has left…. the rest of the band r still there. — Ollie Serve the servants

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>>Why is there no Sepultura newsgroup? Surley they deserve one. >Do they still exist?

Yeagh, but are they as good without Max? — Clayton Smith (Encore on IRC) Whoever gave us opinions caused a lot of aggravation…

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