I was wondering which matters more when it comes to loudness/power. I am buying an amp for home use and in the price of $300…..I play hardcore music so I want some good sustain and distortion(LOT’s O’ POWER!) please post suggestions. thanks, shaggy
Go play with the Peavey Classic 30… Very attractive… Effects loop… Reverb… All tube design… 2 channels, a pre-post gain and a "clean" channel… 1×12 inch Speaker… Plays very loud!!! Sounds really good too… What do you call "hardcore" ? Metallica? Korn? Tool? if so, then $300 isnt gonna get you in that level. But it will be enough to damage your hearing in your bedroom or garage or basement. Put the animals outdoors and use earplugs if you turn this baby past 3! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I was wondering which matters more when it comes to loudness/power. I am >buying an amp for home use and in the price of $300…..I play hardcore >music so I want some good sustain and distortion(LOT’s O’ POWER!) please >post suggestions. >thanks, shaggy
>I was wondering which matters more when it comes to loudness/power. I am >buying an amp for home use and in the price of $300…..I play hardcore >music so I want some good sustain and distortion(LOT’s O’ POWER!) please >post suggestions. >thanks, shaggy
The speaker (or cabinet if more than one speaker) must handle enough WATTS so it doesn’t get fried. It’s OHMS has to match the amp’s expectations so that you get maximum power and don’t risk frying the amp. For size I recommend either 10’s or 12’s. Also, a closed-back cabinet will give you more bass than an open-back one. Some speakers are just more efficient than others, producing more sound for the same input power (i.e. the same amp). This efficiency cannot be directly determined by it’s impedance (ohms) nor by it’s power capacity (watts), or even it’s size. Though in general 12’s are louder than 10’s. One speaker that impressed me with it’s efficiency is the Celestion Vintage 30 but I’m sure there are others. It almost goes without saying that if you want it loud, you also need a powerful amp. Chris
> >No Doubt is a one-hit wonder who > Considering they’ve have 4 hits and 9 weeks at #1 now, I’d say they’re a > little more than just a "one-hit" wonder.
Fine they’re a 4 hit wonder. alt.music.stone-temple,alt.music.uk,alt.music.lyrics,alt.music.techno,alt.m usic.hardcore,alt.music.smash-pumpkins,alt.music.pearl-jam,alt.music.pink-f loyd now removed from this thread. Remove some more Melissa when you resond (like you always do).
> >No Doubt is a one-hit wonder who > Considering they’ve have 4 hits and 9 weeks at #1 now, I’d say they’re a > little more than just a "one-hit" wonder.
Umm…sounds like that darned "Alanis Morrisette" phenomenon actually. (that’s not a good thing, by the way) …WZTV
>To relate this to weddings as well, I dated one of the aforementioned >skinheads for 3 years before meeting my fiance. Since I’m not really >into punk/hardcore music or the grunge/army/navy look or the >under-motivated attitudes my old friends enjoyed, I’ve appreciated my >clean-cut, love-song-listening fiance that much more. 
>Erin
what makes you think Skinheads aren’t *clean-cut*??? The skins I know, including me, are as clean-cut (or even more) than your average Joe. regards, jason — alt.skinheads Homepage http://www.vt.edu:10021/J/jadare/skinhead/
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > = > Sorry to continue this thread on wedding pages but I thought that > perhaps some of the confused/curious here might want to know.. > = > Could someone please define the word "skinhead" and > what are the requirements on becoming a skinhead??? > i saw this HBO special about skinheads and they were > all hateful and only like whites…is this true for > all skinheads??…i saw a show were some skinhead > groups even allowed blacks and other races into their > skinhead organization…this is all confusing…please > = > If I remember correctly from teenage days, the only requirements for > skinheads are shaved heads and punk attitudes. Some are hateful > all-white groups (known to wear red laces in their doc martens – the > boot many punks like to wear to exercise their *individualism* ). > Others, called "SHARPies", I think, are skinheads against racial > prejudice, and not really a bad lot if you can stand the music and > clothes that they are so fond of. I was friends with a few of these in= > high school and they were generally very amiable, open-minded people. > = > To relate this to weddings as well, I dated one of the aforementioned > skinheads for 3 years before meeting my fiance. Since I’m not really > into punk/hardcore music or the grunge/army/navy look or the > under-motivated attitudes my old friends enjoyed, I’ve appreciated my > clean-cut, love-song-listening fiance that much more. > = > Erin
andi R.I.S.C. — = =04=07=FB
Sorry to continue this thread on wedding pages but I thought that perhaps some of the confused/curious here might want to know.. > Could someone please define the word "skinhead" and > what are the requirements on becoming a skinhead??? > i saw this HBO special about skinheads and they were > all hateful and only like whites…is this true for > all skinheads??…i saw a show were some skinhead > groups even allowed blacks and other races into their > skinhead organization…this is all confusing…please
If I remember correctly from teenage days, the only requirements for skinheads are shaved heads and punk attitudes. Some are hateful all-white groups (known to wear red laces in their doc martens – the boot many punks like to wear to exercise their *individualism* ). Others, called "SHARPies", I think, are skinheads against racial prejudice, and not really a bad lot if you can stand the music and clothes that they are so fond of. I was friends with a few of these in high school and they were generally very amiable, open-minded people. To relate this to weddings as well, I dated one of the aforementioned skinheads for 3 years before meeting my fiance. Since I’m not really into punk/hardcore music or the grunge/army/navy look or the under-motivated attitudes my old friends enjoyed, I’ve appreciated my clean-cut, love-song-listening fiance that much more. Erin
Read the Skinhead FAQ. See URL below. jason — alt.skinheads Homepage http://www.vt.edu:10021/J/jadare/skinhead/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Could someone please define the word "skinhead" and >what are the requirements on becoming a skinhead??? >i saw this HBO special about skinheads and they were >all hateful and only like whites…is this true for >all skinheads??…i saw a show were some skinhead >groups even allowed blacks and other races into their >skinhead organization…this is all confusing…please
> Could someone please define the word "skinhead" and > what are the requirements on becoming a skinhead??? > i saw this HBO special about skinheads and they were > all hateful and only like whites…is this true for > all skinheads??…i saw a show were some skinhead > groups even allowed blacks and other races into their > skinhead organization…this is all confusing…please
As it stands, skinhead culture started during the 1960s in England. Not to be sarcastic, but I’m speaking of England in the United Kingdom, Great Britain. At this time there were other cultures going (i.e. mods, rockers etc) The Skinhead culture was based around the Jamaican Rude Boys. Not the National Front (far right organisation). Basically skins then and now were Black, White, and Asian. Basically they all shared a common interest in music. A little while later, some gentleman decided to adopt the Skinhead culture (the look only) and attribute this to the poor white working- class male. This was how the lovely National Front was created. As with most British culture, the skinhead name became bastardized all because of a minority of racists. Suprisingly, the National Front then split up because one of there then founders was a closet homosexual. This was not on with the rest of the group, which later became the British National Party. Shaun…
> Could someone please define the word "skinhead" and > what are the requirements on becoming a skinhead??? > i saw this HBO special about skinheads and they were > all hateful and only like whites…is this true for > all skinheads??…i saw a show were some skinhead > groups even allowed blacks and other races into their > skinhead organization…this is all confusing…please
People would probably be more inclined to take you seriously if you used a real name and email address, but if you’re really interested in skinheads you should read the FAQ… i would give you the url but it changed recently and i don’t remember it, but the FAQ is posted on this newsgroup (alt.skinheads) every so often, so stick around and you’ll eventually see it. Cheers, Simon Oi! Oi! Music!! http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5227 "I’m in love with Oi! Oi! Oi! …and i feel fine!!" -Funeral Dress
: >>http://www.op.net/~lambreta : >> : >>Come in, drop all stereo-types and enjoy… : you people have to get in the ball game! life is not about hating : people because of the color of their skin. your parents should be as : ashamed of you as the rest of free thinking society is. but it is not : too late, even for you. you need to educate yourselves and stop hating : yourselves so that you can succeed and enjoy life. who needs to be educated? did you even LOOK at this page? good god. this is a NON-RACIST skin – as is his page. notice it says "drop all stereotypes and enjoy?" try it, you’re no better if you’re juding this kid right off the bat without knowing his stances. you’ve decided that all skins are racist assholes, where in the majority of the cases, this simply isn’t true. read up on your skin history please. -courtney — "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist." -kaiser soze http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~cochrane
Could someone please define the word "skinhead" and what are the requirements on becoming a skinhead??? i saw this HBO special about skinheads and they were all hateful and only like whites…is this true for all skinheads??…i saw a show were some skinhead groups even allowed blacks and other races into their skinhead organization…this is all confusing…please
>Skinheads Rule…Ok?! >http://www.op.net/~lambreta >Come in, drop all stereo-types and enjoy… >– >SHR >http://www.op.net/~lambreta
Well, its looks as if you skins are increasing anti-Nazi, so good luck to ya!!!
>>Skinheads Rule…Ok?! >http://www.op.net/~lambreta >Come in, drop all stereo-types and enjoy… >– >SHR >http://www.op.net/~lambreta >Well, its looks as if you skins are increasing anti-Nazi, so good luck to >ya!!!
you people have to get in the ball game! life is not about hating people because of the color of their skin. your parents should be as ashamed of you as the rest of free thinking society is. but it is not too late, even for you. you need to educate yourselves and stop hating yourselves so that you can succeed and enjoy life.
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what in jehovah’s name does this have to do with funk metal? i thought this was the hardcore newsgroup? the midwest will surely feel the wrath of the funk metal firestorm. ONE FUNK CREW!
Hi, Anybody, out there have a New York artist they can recommend. I had a tat done on the upper arm and now I would like to add a band around the arm something keltic or tribal. I’m open to suggestions….I would go back to the first artist but he’s all the way down in Maryland….. Thanks in advance, WAK
> Hi, > Anybody, out there have a New York artist they can recommend. I had a > tat done on the upper arm and now I would like to add a band around > the arm something keltic or tribal. I’m open to suggestions….I > would go back to the first artist but he’s all the way down in > Maryland….. > Thanks in advance, > WAK
Jim Winters at Brightside tattoo. my friends from Syracuse were all done by him, one guy, D.J., is covered in Jim’s work. Are you interested in Hardcore music? Jim is, he’s the official DNA artist for the 315 STRAIGHTEDGE crew. If you’re not into hardcore, you probably have no idea what I’m talking about. late’ Travis
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > Anybody, out there have a New York artist they can recommend. I had a > tat done on the upper arm and now I would like to add a band around > the arm something keltic or tribal. I’m open to suggestions….I > would go back to the first artist but he’s all the way down in > Maryland….. > Thanks in advance, > WAK > Jim Winters at Brightside tattoo. >my friends from Syracuse were all done by him, one guy, D.J., is covered >in Jim’s work. > Are you interested in Hardcore music? Jim is, he’s the official DNA >artist for the 315 STRAIGHTEDGE crew. If you’re not into hardcore, you >probably have no idea what I’m talking about. > late’ > Travis
Huh?? Color me clueless……
How about the AM-JAM Tattoo Expo? It is January 11 – 12th in Schenectady, NY and there will over 40 artists there working.
>Hi, >Anybody, out there have a New York artist they can recommend. I had a >tat done on the upper arm and now I would like to add a band around >the arm something keltic or tribal. I’m open to suggestions….I >would go back to the first artist but he’s all the way down in >Maryland….. >Thanks in advance, >WAK
First off, thanks to all who responded either privately or via the news group. This is a little long but I’m still kind of hyper from the experience. Well, I finally did it got a partial armband at Fun City tattoo(in NYC east side) by an artist named Todd Vargas..(BTW the name sounds familar anybody know of him?). I looked at some of the flash work and asked Todd about cost. When I showed him what I already had he got real excited and said he could do a custom job using a similar style for the band, we negotiated an approximate price and after I came back with the funds he sat me down and proceeded to hand draw the work and after about 20 minutes he was finished….It looked great! He did it in a little under an hour…since he wasn’t busy he gave me a good price. I can’t begin to say how great it feels to know I have an original on my arm. I highly recommend it to those who can afford it…what a rush. Todd’s energy was right on target….I had checked out the west side location the other day but the amount of flash work was minimal and the price seamed high for flash work…. Like I asked before anybody else familar with Todd’s work?? From what I experienced he’s top notch. WAK
>Well, I finally did it got a partial armband at Fun City tattoo(in NYC >east side) by an artist named Todd Vargas..(BTW the name sounds >familar anybody know of him?).
[...] Don’t know Todd, but the magnificent Mr. Jonathan Shaw (award-winning artist, main guy behind the shop, etc.) did a piece on my girlfriend’s ankle a couple years ago that made it readily apparent just how talented he is. The level of detail in combination with the amount of time it took him to execute was stunning. Nice guy–though a little intimidating–and ALL BUSINESS. Very curt, but never unfriendly. >I can’t begin to say how great it feels to know I have an original on >my arm. I highly recommend it to those who can afford it…what a >rush. Todd’s energy was right on target….I had checked out the west >side location the other day but the amount of flash work was minimal >and the price seamed high for flash work….
[...] And I guess this answers the question of someone a while back who was asking about price differences between the two shops. And I wasn’t even aware there was a W. Village shop! >Like I asked before anybody else familar with Todd’s work?? From what >I experienced he’s top notch.
I would guess that *anyone* working at Fun City would be top notch; I can’t imagine Shaw would have any hacks working in his shop. And to go off on a tangent… I’m sure it’s been discussed before, but what’s the deal with inking being "illegal" in NYC? Fun City’s been around since ‘75 (I think), no one touches it (though I’ve seen cops stop in front of the store and ogle through the window), and there don’t seem to be any other big operations (though it seems there are a few "appointment only" artists working out of their homes or whatever…). Not that it matters much, but I’ve been curious as to what the *real* story is for a while now… Eric Hoffsten | Associate Art Director – - – - – - – - "What’s on in Cyberspace"
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Sorry, but for me it is not very hard to tell who is my "hero" on the bass-guitar…Les Claypool of course!!! >>Primus is a very good band anyway, but the way he plays his intruments tapping with both hand… >>and sing at the same time… >>if you know any other bassists who are like Him, please mail me! >>The race-car-driver >I don’t quite know who Les Cesspool is, but the best bassplayer in the world >can not be any other than STEVE HARRIS of Iron Maiden. Just listen to him on >the "Maiden England"-video. He’s f****in’ unbelievable, playing so fast only >using his fingers. >Skalman > > I think your forgetting someone: Geddy Lee. > I’d put him against anyone in a contest of technique, style, tone, and come out a winner (IMHO). > Lerxst
Iron Maiden bites my nut sack, and so does their bassist! I think you’re forgetting George Burwick. He rocks my world! He plays with that great band Reuben 274.
…Les Claypool …Steve Harris …Geddy Lee Man… tough call guys — comparing Steve, Les and Geddy really is like comparing apples and oranges. BUT: even though he doesn’t necessarily play alternative or heavy metal, the man can do some damage on his Zon Hyperbass (3 octave fretless fingerboard–not including his de-tuning keys all over): Michael Manring The guy’s simply phenomenal. No doubt about it–he’s got to be in the running somewhere! – I, on the other hand, don’t have to be in the running anywhere… But that doesn’t mean I’m gonna stop playin’! – See ya, Chazzz (happy to recommend Modulus Graphite basses!, btw) —
>Sorry, but for me it is not very hard to tell who is my "hero" on the bass-guitar…Les Claypool of course!!! >Primus is a very good band anyway, but the way he plays his intruments tapping with both hand… >and sing at the same time… >if you know any other bassists who are like Him, please mail me! >The race-car-driver
I don’t quite know who Les Cesspool is, but the best bassplayer in the world can not be any other than STEVE HARRIS of Iron Maiden. Just listen to him on the "Maiden England"-video. He’s f****in’ unbelievable, playing so fast only using his fingers. Skalman
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Sorry, but for me it is not very hard to tell who is my "hero" on the bass-guitar…Les Claypool of course!!! >>Primus is a very good band anyway, but the way he plays his intruments tapping with both hand… >>and sing at the same time… >>if you know any other bassists who are like Him, please mail me! >>The race-car-driver >I don’t quite know who Les Cesspool is, but the best bassplayer in the world >can not be any other than STEVE HARRIS of Iron Maiden. Just listen to him on >the "Maiden England"-video. He’s f****in’ unbelievable, playing so fast only >using his fingers. >Skalman > >I think your forgetting someone: Geddy Lee. >I’d put him against anyone in a contest of technique, style, tone, and come out a winner (IMHO). >Lerxst
You are all missing the mark here. The Ultimate God Of Bass is Tony Levin of course no one can match this man’s style and sound. I have heard play music from new age to rock to classical to jazz and so on. The man IS a genius on Bass. That my story and I’m sticking with it. Luc.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Sorry, but for me it is not very hard to tell who is my "hero" on the bass-guitar…Les Claypool of course!!! >>>Primus is a very good band anyway, but the way he plays his intruments tapping with both hand… >>>and sing at the same time… >>>if you know any other bassists who are like Him, please mail me! >>>The race-car-driver >>I don’t quite know who Les Cesspool is, but the best bassplayer in the world >>can not be any other than STEVE HARRIS of Iron Maiden. Just listen to him on >>the "Maiden England"-video. He’s f****in’ unbelievable, playing so fast only >>using his fingers. >>Skalman > >I think your forgetting someone: Geddy Lee. >I’d put him against anyone in a contest of technique, style, tone, and come out a winner (IMHO). >Lerxst >You are all missing the mark here. The Ultimate God Of Bass is Tony Levin of course >no one can match this man’s style and sound. I have heard play music from new age >to rock to classical to jazz and so on. The man IS a genius on Bass. >That my story and I’m sticking with it. >I agree that Tony is one hell of a bass player I suggest you check out
Hugh Mcmillan from Spirit Of The West, This man can play!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Luc.
John Entwistle.
It is really hard to pick a best bassist, because everyone plays a different style. I play bass, too, and it is really hard to tell. I can think of a few, though. Another person posted and said Geddy Lee. One of my picks also. For slower songs, I would have to pick Tom Hamilton of Aerosmith. No one can run in slow songs like he can. For good, straight-ahead rock’n'roll, I would choose Michael Anthony of Van Halen. He combines all-out thumping with highly skilled runs and riffs unlike any other. And, in metal, Megadeth bassist James Usted kicks ass. Marcus Brackman
>I like John Entwistle of The Who. He introduced one of the first bass solos in >rock n roll.
So he’s the one to blame eh? BTW Les Claypool shouldn’t be on the bass list, he plays lead guitar using a bass. And what about COLIN MOULDING of XTC check out Mayor of Simpleton or Earn Enough For Us or English Roundabout….he’s the man…
>It is really hard to pick a best bassist, because everyone plays a >different style. I play bass, too, and it is really hard to tell. I can >think of a few, though. > Another person posted and said Geddy Lee. One of my picks also. For >slower songs, I would have to pick Tom Hamilton of Aerosmith. No one can >run in slow songs like he can. For good, straight-ahead rock’n'roll, I >would choose Michael Anthony of Van Halen. He combines all-out thumping >with highly skilled runs and riffs unlike any other. And, in metal, >Megadeth bassist James Usted kicks ass. > Marcus Brackman
Isn’t it Dave Ellefson of Megadeth, and Jason Newsted of Metallica?
> I play bass, too, and it is really hard to tell.
Maybe you should turn up a little louder.
Best Bassist? Why Danny Partridge of course!! He didn’t NEED all of those fancy scales and slapping and such. Just a stupid answer to a very stupid question. — Will Wolski, Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada / / / Opinions expressed above are my own and do not necessarily / / reflect those of BNR or Nothern Telecom Ltd. /
> terrific musicians in there own right. So I hope no one is putting too much > stock into the Greatest Player of All Time mess because the answer you get
The greatest bass player of all time was Bango. Or was it Irving? Ahhh, I’ll have to watch that Gilligan’s Island episode again. I’ll get back to you. . . "I will give you the shirt off my back if you ask for it, but I’ll be damned if I let you take it from me." — Ken Hamblin "The Black Avenger" * 1st 2.00b #567 * I may be schizo, but I still have each other.
>This thread is old, 2 B sure, but Stanley Clarke is a great player. My >favorite album of his, though, came out later in the 80’s with _If >This Bass Could Only Talk_. His use of bass chords is incredible. He >is also a melodic pimp. >P.S. -> don’t dis the "computer generation." =) I am 19 years old and >listen to everything, because it makes me a better player. certainly i >have styles that i like more than others, but iI think I can safely >speak for most of the younger people on this list when I say that we >aren’t all the "grunge-listening-flannel wearing-head banging-kids" >that the media portrays. =)
Well, that’s very refreshing to hear! From all the talk I was picking up on, I was beginning to think I was the only one here who had every heard of Mr. Clarke. I happen to be a 33 year old mechanical engineer who has been playing bass for about 19 years, so I kinda grew up on some of the more noted players of the not-too-distant past. For me, Stanley was the Man! Of course, so was Jaco Pastorius, Larry Graham, Louis Johnson, Bootsy Collins, Donnie Beck, Mark Adams, Marcus Miller, etc., etc. This should only serve notice that no one in particular has a "lock" on increadible talent. Hey, I mean great players come and go, and they all are terrific musicians in there own right. So I hope no one is putting too much stock into the Greatest Player of All Time mess because the answer you get depends on who you ask, and when you ask them. To me what should matter more than anything is playing and listening to everything you can in an attempt at becoming the best player that you can be. I do know that this thread has been going on for quite some time, but I had been away from the Network for awhile and had some catching up to do! I hope no one out there things this is too preachy, but I couldn’t resist voicing my own opinion. If no one agrees with what I’m say: REBROCK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->– >_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ University of > _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ Southern California > "U can be the President, I’d rather be the Pope…" 0{+> the pope 1993
This thread is old, 2 B sure, but Stanley Clarke is a great player. My favorite album of his, though, came out later in the 80’s with _If This Bass Could Only Talk_. His use of bass chords is incredible. He is also a melodic pimp. P.S. -> don’t dis the "computer generation." =) I am 19 years old and listen to everything, because it makes me a better player. certainly i have styles that i like more than others, but iI think I can safely speak for most of the younger people on this list when I say that we aren’t all the "grunge-listening-flannel wearing-head banging-kids" that the media portrays. =) — _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ University of _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ Southern California "U can be the President, I’d rather be the Pope…" 0{+> the pope 1993
What I can’t understand is why hasn’t anybody named John Paul Jones? I mean, so what if Zepellin is a little old (OK, prehistoric) but Jones is probably one of the greatest of all time. Just listen to Lemon Song on Zeppelin II, or the way he holds the bottom on Dazed and Confused. I’m surpised no one listed Mike Rutherford, Chris Squire, John Entwhistle, Tony Levin, or even Flea or Les Claypool (if you prefer the newer kids on the block? What about Jaco, Stanley Clarke, or Mingus? Look, I’m a hardcore fan of "new music" (sorry if you don’t like the label, but it’s all so fragmented anyhow so who gives a fuck?), but at least acknowledge the real talent. Anyone can play loud and fast, but versatility and vurtuosity still has it’s place and should cont for something. — <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <> Just an average guy named <> <> Mike from New York <> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> Yeah, I read about Bella Fleck and the Flecktones in this >newsgroup a while back, and I somehow managed to catch them on this cable >channel I have called Black Entertainment Television.
BET has a show called "Jazz Central" on from 11:30 PM to 1:30 AM Eastern. It’s a great show — the first hour usually is amateurs who have sent in video tapes and some pros critique them. The second hour is usually videos or concert tapes. Lately, however, it’s been pre-empted for some political type stuff… :-< – Mark Malson
: I hate to post on a topic that has "Best" anything in it, but I feel like : I have to put my two cents in for Victor Lemonte Wooten. I saw The : Flecktones play here in Asheville, NC at a free street concert a couple of : years ago. I managed to squeeze through the crowd and get right up : against the stage where Wooten was and just watch as the guy tore it up. : Fast or slow, he’s got an amazing feel for his instrument. True, some of : the speedier stuff is pure show, but there is no shortage of substance in : his playing. For a sample, you might check out a tune called "Bonnie and : Slide" from UFO TOFU, or "Star of the County Down" from Cosmic Hippo. : Damn, wish I could do that! Yeah, I read about Bella Fleck and the Flecktones in this newsgroup a while back, and I somehow managed to catch them on this cable channel I have called Black Entertainment Television. Anyway, they have this one show that has a lot of good, live Jazz stuff and the Flecktones were on there one time. Wooten is just incredible. In one of the tunes they played he was playing a low end rythem and simultaneously tapping a harmony on the higher end. He made it look so easy. I worship him.
: What I can’t understand is why hasn’t anybody named John Paul : Jones? I mean, so what if Zepellin is a little old (OK, : prehistoric) but Jones is probably one of the greatest of all : time. Just listen to Lemon Song on Zeppelin II, or the way he : holds the bottom on Dazed and Confused. : I’m surpised no one listed Mike Rutherford, Chris Squire, John : Entwhistle, Tony Levin, or even Flea or Les Claypool (if you : prefer the newer kids on the block? What about Jaco, Stanley : Clarke, or Mingus? John Paul Jones, Mike Rutherford, definitely. Entwistle; no way! He’s got no feel. Among the best players I’ve ever heard, are the players who’ve worked with Steve Morse, like Andy West, Jerry Peek, and Dave LaRue. Check out LaRue on the latest Dixie Dregs cd Full Circle. JT
I hate to post on a topic that has "Best" anything in it, but I feel like I have to put my two cents in for Victor Lemonte Wooten. I saw The Flecktones play here in Asheville, NC at a free street concert a couple of years ago. I managed to squeeze through the crowd and get right up against the stage where Wooten was and just watch as the guy tore it up. Fast or slow, he’s got an amazing feel for his instrument. True, some of the speedier stuff is pure show, but there is no shortage of substance in his playing. For a sample, you might check out a tune called "Bonnie and Slide" from UFO TOFU, or "Star of the County Down" from Cosmic Hippo. Damn, wish I could do that!
How ’bout we just all decide that we’re all going to have different lists of "Best Bassists" and stop wasting random bandwidth on this topic week after week after week, ad infinitum. I don’t care who your favourite bass player is, nothing personal. – z —
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sheesh! how’s about…. Mike Watt Tony Levin Mr. Bootsy Collins /c I think if you were falling off the Empire State Building, you should go real limp, because then you’d look like a dummy, and people would catch you, because, hey, free dummy.
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re:best bassist >Mike Watt >Tony Levin >Mr. Bootsy Collins
I’ve seen Bootsy/Zillatron/fuzzface/Casper live (he was using the names Bootsy and Casper at the time) and there is no doubt in my mind that he is the best bass player I know of. He was and is just so damn funky that noone else comes close. The fact that he is the weirdest person I’ve ever seen and has the most outrageous dress sense is beside the point. _/>
As a bassist and a long-term aficionado, I couldn’t pick any one best bassist . . . but I think Jimmy Haslip, Flea, Flim (Jimmy Johnson) AND Entwistle all belong in the discussion. Didn’t see any other msgs listing Flim, which means there are some folks out there DEPRIVED of an awesome listening experience! Check out Flim and the BBs’ albums "This is a Recording," "Tricycle," "New Pants" and probably half a dozen others I haven’t heard yet. That’s my $.02.
: As a bassist and a long-term aficionado, I couldn’t pick any one best : bassist . . . but I think Jimmy Haslip, Flea, Flim (Jimmy Johnson) AND : Entwistle all belong in the discussion. : Didn’t see any other msgs listing Flim, which means there are some : folks out there DEPRIVED of an awesome listening experience! Check out : Flim and the BBs’ albums "This is a Recording," "Tricycle," "New Pants" : and probably half a dozen others I haven’t heard yet. : That’s my $.02. How about Jack Bruce? Can’t leave him out. Check out live versions of White Room for a clinic. Or how about Badge as a classic slow tune. Sean Benak
Being reletively new to this internet thing, maybe I missed it. I’ve heard some excellent best bassist picks, but I don’t think anyone’s mentioned Chris Squire–one of my all time favorites! Machete Bug
What the freakin’ hell? You talk about bass players and leave out the immortal Geddy Lee, who has over an umpteen year graced these ears with some of the most tasteful licks. And what the hell anyway? Who cares? When we speak of bass players we should speak of our favorite ones not the best. There are too many good ones to say best ones. Brian"too sweet"Alter
Bruce Foxton, from the Jam, was totally underrated. Bass tabs of his stuff would be great, if anyone has them.
: Yepp. You’re right! But listen to the _old_ Metallica stuff – it’s much : better!! I remember the days, when Cliff Burton was in Metallics (Cliff : Burton’s basssolo on "Kill’em All" is great!!!!!)… Yeah right. Ooh…those triads REALLY blow me away. Burton’s overrated by garage bands across the world. Besides, there were other bassists who were doing solos with distorion and wah while Cliff was still in diapers. Bill
>It’s kind of sad that the only real modern player I see people listing >is Flea. I mean he’s good and all, but there are other players. Check >out Ben Sheppard of Soundgarden. That guy’s grooves are beyond the bells >and whistles I used to love in Flea. Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth deserves >a mention because she makes the bass sexy.
Aahh , but there _have_ been quite a few modern players listed already like Mark King (Level 42) Derek Forbes (Simple Minds) Peter Hook (Joy Division + New Order) Mark White (Spin Doctors) Billy Sheehan Mike Dirnt (Greenday) – not as good as _anyone_ listed above him IMHO David Crowson Oracle Consultant (since ‘83) ‘Hit them in the Face, with a Funky Bass, for a Happy Smiling Race’
> As a bassist and a long-term aficionado, I couldn’t pick any one best > bassist . . . but I think Jimmy Haslip, Flea, Flim (Jimmy Johnson) AND > Entwistle all belong in the discussion. > Didn’t see any other msgs listing Flim, which means there are some > folks out there DEPRIVED of an awesome listening experience! Check out > Flim and the BBs’ albums "This is a Recording," "Tricycle," "New Pants" > and probably half a dozen others I haven’t heard yet.
"Tricycle" "Tunnel" "Neon" "Big Notes" "New Pants" "Vintage BBs" "This is a recording." Flim is great, and I think Billy Barber is a great pianist too. – Mark Malson – Mark Malson
> : As a bassist and a long-term aficionado, I couldn’t pick any one best > : bassist . . . but I think Jimmy Haslip, Flea, Flim (Jimmy Johnson) AND > : Entwistle all belong in the discussion.
….Ever heard of Victor Lemonte Wooten, plays in abad caaled Bela Flec and the Flectones. I like his style a lot….. — * Miki Lindstrom, Korkeavuorenkatu 15 C 37 * * fin-00130 Helsinki * * tel & fax +358-0-626 242, mobile +358-50-5562655 *
Lotsa good bassists mentioned but these were all forgotten, probably because it’s "not cool" to like hard rock anymore. Duff McKagan (GnR) Gene Simmons (KISS) Michael Andrews (Arcade) Nikki Sixx (Motley Crue) Rachel Bolan (Skid Row) I will probably be flamed but I don’t care. If you listen to these guys you will notice that they all have a great style. "Attitude ain’t the only thing…but it helps!" – Nikki Sixx Jimmy Fox Bass Player for Suicide Circus
>> (in no particular order) > Joe DiBiase – Fates Warning > John Myung – Dream Theater > Eddie Jackson – Queensryche > Paul D’Amour – Tool > Ric wut’s his name – Yanni > John Deacon – Queen >What about John Entwistle? >Heather
what about him? john John C. Jens, Jr. http://www.site.gmu.edu/~jjens/ "You’ve got to learn to let go. Just let go and experience the flight. Try to see from a different side." -"Global Mind" Queensryche _Promised Land_
The whole idea of discussing the "best bassist" is pretty asinine. Jaco is great, but I know people who find his style too dizzying. I’m a big fan of tony levin and michael manring, but there are tonnes of great players out there. The "best bassist" dialogue reminds me of a couple of old guys sitting around debating whether Babe Ruth could have been a great player today. It just doesn’t matter. Interestingly enough, in India there is (I have read) a government-sponsored competition to determine a "best" tabla player. Strikes me as pretty creepy…
> The whole idea of discussing the "best bassist" is pretty asinine. Jaco > is great, but I know people who find his style too dizzying. I’m a big > fan of tony levin and michael manring, but there are tonnes of great > players out there.
agreed!!! :) > The "best bassist" dialogue reminds me of a couple of old guys sitting > around debating whether Babe Ruth could have been a great player today. > It just doesn’t matter.
Isn’t it pathetic???? > Interestingly enough, in India there is (I have read) a > government-sponsored competition to determine a "best" tabla player. > Strikes me as pretty creepy…
I wouldn’t mind if people discussed how to become the worlds greatest bass player… some could really need it!!! Good luck finding your own style and personality in the bass world!!! Jon Inge Paulsen
Please post bass tab for Rush Limbaugh theme. The bass rocks! Thanks! -Rob
Just FYI, that limbaugh "theme" is Back to Ohio by the Pretenders…and i PREFER to think that they don’t approve of his use!
I believe the song Rush uses for the intro to his radio show is by the Pretenders and is called "Ohio". Not sure of that title but someone out there should know for sure. Kobe |> Please post bass tab for Rush Limbaugh theme. The bass rocks! |> |> Thanks! |> |> -Rob |> — Karl Oberlander
wittman) writes: >Just FYI, that limbaugh "theme" is Back to Ohio by the Pretenders…and i >PREFER to think that they don’t approve of his use!
Watch out! I made a joke about how the president may possibly not be re-elected and would therefore might be available to play with an Arkansas band and received a smokin’, red-hot, flame. Maybe it has something to do with the election season. Bruce
(BElkington) writes: >Watch out! I made a joke about how the president may possibly not be
re-elected and would therefore might be available to play with an Arkansas band and received a smokin’, red-hot, flame. >Maybe it has something to do with the election season.
thanks Bruce for the friendly warning! But let’s not forget that Limbaugh wasn’t elected to anything…just another clown on the radio.
The song to which everyone is referring is called "My City Was Gone"; it’s on the "Learning To Crawl" record (their last good album, IMO). — Arte K.
: I believe the song Rush uses for the intro to his radio show is by : the Pretenders and is called "Ohio". Not sure of that title but : someone out there should know for sure. Good lord. Say it isn’t true. I’ve never heard Rush’s radio show, but now I have one more reason to avoid it… hearing the Pretenders misused in such a fashion… that’s worse than when people thought "Born in the USA" was nice and patriotic and never noticed any of the words. Then again, "spend half your life just to cover it up" does make a good line for your average political rally… Anyway, if you want to hear the song (which really DOES have a great bassline), get "Learning to Crawl," the third Pretenders LP (and the last really great one IMHO). The song in question is actually called "My City was Gone" (though the first line is "I went back to Ohio…") I wonder if Rush thinks Chrissie Hynde is a Feminazi? –ennead.
|> (BElkington) writes:
|> |> >>Watch out! I made a joke about how the president may possibly not be |> re-elected and would therefore might be available to play with an Arkansas |> band and received a smokin’, red-hot, flame. |> |> >>Maybe it has something to do with the election season. |> |> |> thanks Bruce for the friendly warning! |> But let’s not forget that Limbaugh wasn’t elected to anything…just |> another clown on the radio. Not so pea brain. He weilds a tremendous emount of influence. Even more than the media elite of the "major" networks. He is a character and quite entertaining, you might want to actually listen in sometime before you make sweeping generalizations like that last one. Bass players are usually the most conservative members in any band, rock solid! Somebody has to hold the line while those guit-a-baiters whammy their stuff to roof and back. — Karl Oberlander
> Just FYI, that limbaugh "theme" is Back to Ohio by the Pretenders…and i > PREFER to think that they don’t approve of his use!
That’s exactly right and the irony is that the song decries the "development" of Chrissie’s hometown of Cleveland. Limbaugh has gotten some static from conservatives who think he shouldn’t use a pro-environmentalist song as his theme music. He could use "Dittohead" by Slayer, though. That song certainly is in-line with his views……. I’d like to see Rush’s fat ass getting kicked in the mosh pit…some Doc Martin in his fanny…a hardcore punk extinguishes a cigarette in the sweat on his forhead…hmmm…I think I have an idea for our next show…. Anyone know where I can get an overweight male manniquin?? Scotto — + Scott Allen Miller * Kansas State University * Manhattan, Kansas USA + + Dig my crazy home page at http://www.ksu.edu/~igolow/ . +
|> |> > |> > Just FYI, that limbaugh "theme" is Back to Ohio by the Pretenders…and i |> > PREFER to think that they don’t approve of his use! They do approve of the money, no matter where it comes from. |> |> That’s exactly right and the irony is that the song decries the "development" of |> Chrissie’s hometown of Cleveland. Limbaugh has gotten some static from |> conservatives who think he shouldn’t use a pro-environmentalist song as his theme |> music. You really don’t think Crissy and crew are sad about receiving all those checks from ASCAP or BMI do you? If so you’re more stupid than the rest of your post makes you seem. And that is pretty stupid. |> |> He could use "Dittohead" by Slayer, though. That song certainly is in-line with |> his views……. How would you know what his views are? You’ve obviously never listened to his radio show enough to really know any of it. |> |> I’d like to see Rush’s fat ass getting kicked in the mosh pit…some Doc Martin |> in his fanny…a hardcore punk extinguishes a cigarette in the sweat on his |> forhead…hmmm…I think I have an idea for our next show…. |> |> Anyone know where I can get an overweight male manniquin?? |> |> Scotto |> — |> + Scott Allen Miller * Kansas State University * Manhattan, Kansas USA + |> + Dig my crazy home page at http://www.ksu.edu/~igolow/ . + |> RUSH RULES! Yes Scott Allen Miller, there are conservative Bass players out here and we aren’t going to leave until you grow up. — Karl Oberlander
>He could use "Dittohead" by Slayer, though. That song certainly is in-line with >his views……. >I’d like to see Rush’s fat ass getting kicked in the mosh pit…some Doc Martin >in his fanny…a hardcore punk extinguishes a cigarette in the sweat on his >forhead…hmmm…I think I have an idea for our next show…. >Anyone know where I can get an overweight male manniquin?? >Scotto >– > + Scott Allen Miller * Kansas State University * Manhattan, Kansas USA + > + Dig my crazy home page at http://www.ksu.edu/~igolow/ . +
Give it up, fool. YOU LOST!! (if you voted) Now back to your regularly scheduled news group already in progress…
> >He could use "Dittohead" by Slayer, though. That song certainly is in-line with >his views……. >I’d like to see Rush’s fat ass getting kicked in the mosh pit…some Doc Martin >in his fanny…a hardcore punk extinguishes a cigarette in the sweat on his >forhead…hmmm…I think I have an idea for our next show…. >Anyone know where I can get an overweight male manniquin?? > Give it up, fool. YOU LOST!! (if you voted)
I voted but I didn’t vote Republicrat. Scotto — + Scott Allen Miller * Kansas State University * Manhattan, Kansas USA + + Dig my crazy home page at http://www.ksu.edu/~igolow/ . +