Rory Gallagher – Laundromat 1971 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J4-iKJL4aQ

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> Rory Gallagher – Laundromat 1971 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J4-iKJL4aQ

We just picked up the Rory Gallagher Live at Montreux DVD set, what an amazing talent, and according to everyone I know who ever met him he was the nicest guy alive, absolutely zero show-biz in the man.  I only got to see him live a couple of times, but I remember him stealing the show on a triple-bill with Fleetwood Mac and Deep Purple, no easy thing to do!  Damn shame he died so young.

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I was having a few cold bad boys, warming up, just running scales, you know, noodling in front of a TV. In another room, my gear was all switched on waiting… Public TV, Ch. KOCE outta L.A. was running a cool doc on the 1960’s. Cool shit. Yup….I can see it; 1967 = 2007 1968 = 2008 etc…. Afterwords, A concert -Cream. They were "together again" in London (modern) playing a shitload of old tunes. I made it through five after really grossing out (bordome level) at two. <CLIKKKKKKKKKKKKKK>. _Conclusion_ : Surviving the death of masters should’ve left Clapton humbled and silent as an artist. Clapton obviously absolutely _knows_ that his estate $$$ is almost as 100% pure lucky as a lottery winning. The guy is a *COMPLETE* study in mediocrity. His income feeds off people who either know no better or absolutely refuse to hear different, based upon the fact that by some accident of the times, a now-dead, or ancient D.J. was FM hawking an EC tune while the poor fugly bastard was getting laid for the first -and probably last- time in his otherwise empty life. I _COMPLETELY_ see now how fat, waddling, dullard AGA typists of *the* most vapid kind, think _that’s_ hot guitar-based music, (-same w/ Zepplin and Kiss). JERK OFF LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZAH Central! Here’s to; SRV Joe Bonamassa John Mayer and REAL originals like Chuck Berry I was born in 1957. Anyone hooked on the fact Clapton deserves the $$$ hundred’s of millions of dollars his estate has amassed on playing and songwriting –notable for WHEN it arrived– *not* WHAT has Not just the monster BLUzah’s— metal men, bluesrockahs- AC/DC Cut the scene LOOSE!!!!! Tommy Castro Walter Trout Al Cummings Can i get a STEVE HOWE?! SO FUCKING MANY KNOWN AND UNKNOWN!!! Regards, mvm www.geocities.com/mvm55555

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I was having a few cold bad boys, warming up, just running scales, you >know, noodling in front of a TV. In another room, my gear was all >switched on waiting… >Public TV, Ch. KOCE outta L.A. was running a cool doc on the 1960’s. >Cool shit. Yup….I can see it; >1967 = 2007 >1968 = 2008 >etc…. >Afterwords, A concert -Cream. They were "together again" in London >(modern) playing a shitload of old tunes. I made it through five after >really grossing out (bordome level) at two. <CLIKKKKKKKKKKKKKK>. >_Conclusion_ : >Surviving the death of masters should’ve left Clapton humbled and silent >as an artist. Clapton obviously absolutely _knows_ that his estate $$$ >is almost as 100% pure lucky as a lottery winning. >The guy is a *COMPLETE* study in mediocrity. His income feeds off people >who either know no better or absolutely refuse to hear different, based >upon the fact that by some accident of the times, a now-dead, or ancient >D.J. was FM hawking an EC tune while the poor fugly bastard was getting >laid for the first -and probably last- time in his otherwise empty life. >I _COMPLETELY_ see now how fat, waddling, dullard AGA typists of *the* >most vapid kind, think _that’s_ hot guitar-based music, (-same w/ >Zepplin and Kiss). >JERK OFF LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZAH Central! >Here’s to; >SRV >Joe Bonamassa >John Mayer >and >REAL originals like >Chuck Berry >I was born in 1957. Anyone hooked on the fact Clapton deserves the >$$$ hundred’s of millions of dollars his estate has amassed on >playing and songwriting –notable for WHEN it arrived– *not* WHAT has >Not just the monster BLUzah’s— metal men, bluesrockahs- >AC/DC Cut the scene LOOSE!!!!! >Tommy Castro >Walter Trout >Al Cummings >Can i get a STEVE HOWE?! >SO FUCKING MANY KNOWN AND UNKNOWN!!! >Regards, >mvm >www.geocities.com/mvm55555

When you are in a manic episode everything is boring…go take your meds….

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was having a few cold bad boys, warming up, just running scales, you > know, noodling in front of a TV. In another room, my gear was all > switched on waiting… > Public TV, Ch. KOCE outta L.A. was running a cool doc on the 1960’s. > Cool shit. Yup….I can see it; > 1967 = 2007 > 1968 = 2008 > etc…. > Afterwords, A concert -Cream. They were "together again" in London > (modern) playing a shitload of old tunes. I made it through five after > really grossing out (bordome level) at two. <CLIKKKKKKKKKKKKKK>. > _Conclusion_ : > Surviving the death of masters should’ve left Clapton humbled and silent > as an artist. Clapton obviously absolutely _knows_ that his estate $$$ > is almost as 100% pure lucky as a lottery winning. > The guy is a *COMPLETE* study in mediocrity. His income feeds off people > who either know no better or absolutely refuse to hear different, based > upon the fact that by some accident of the times, a now-dead, or ancient > D.J. was FM hawking an EC tune while the poor fugly bastard was getting > laid for the first -and probably last- time in his otherwise empty life. > I _COMPLETELY_ see now how fat, waddling, dullard AGA typists of *the* > most vapid kind, think _that’s_ hot guitar-based music, (-same w/ > Zepplin and Kiss). > JERK OFF LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZAH Central! > Here’s to; > SRV > Joe Bonamassa > John Mayer > and > REAL originals like > Chuck Berry > I was born in 1957. Anyone hooked on the fact Clapton deserves the > $$$ hundred’s of millions of dollars his estate has amassed on > playing and songwriting –notable for WHEN it arrived– *not* WHAT has > Not just the monster BLUzah’s— metal men, bluesrockahs- > AC/DC Cut the scene LOOSE!!!!! > Tommy Castro > Walter Trout > Al Cummings > Can i get a STEVE HOWE?! > SO FUCKING MANY KNOWN AND UNKNOWN!!! > Regards, > mvm > www.geocities.com/mvm55555 >everything is boring…

Go take your Clapton .

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Enjoy Johnny Winter wailing the blues:  http://tinyurl.com/rcbwf

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Got to open for him a couple of times, he wailed! OF course he was usuing a Firebird. I seem to remember a pair of twins as well. Those days were hectic. Also opened for Edgar, also wailed!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Enjoy Johnny Winter wailing the blues:  http://tinyurl.com/rcbwf

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> Got to open for him a couple of times, he wailed! OF course he was usuing a > Firebird. I seem to remember a pair of twins as well. Those days were > hectic. > Also opened for Edgar, also wailed!

 When ? Where ? Under what name <?> . I’ve seen JW 2 or three times. His songs are typically 20 minutes long. He can get on riff or a ride and just hang on it.

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>I’ve seen JW 2 or three times. His songs are >typically 20 minutes long. He can get on riff >or a ride and just hang on it.

Only time I saw him was JW+, at the Worc Aud. EVERY guitar player within 100 miles was there, the front of the stage was a who’s who of local ‘rockers’. The band just kicked arse, gave us all a music lesson, and at the end, JW asked the crowd.. "..got a joint..?.." It rained pot.  Folks threw joints, even BAGS of shit.  I was stunned at the pure amount of offerings. The band each picked up a few, all the bags, and the roadies got what was left.  Great show.. JJT

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> EVERY guitar player within 100 miles was there, > the front of the stage was a who’s who of local > ‘rockers’.

 There is just something freaky about a bunch  of dudes showing up at a guitar show .. maybe tribal based … I watched Black Sabbath  Reunion show recently and most of the floor were all guys banging heads ..  with some un-pretty tough looking biker she-men bitches too..  freaky.  Compared to the Stones 40 licks CD  .. All babes up front. .. yeah.

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..Bring da band on down, behind me, boyz.. Here’s a true story, Believe it if ya want to, but it’s just too funny to not share. Working at PV, we had to sleph a few Classic 400s to a show, just over the ‘bama border.  Ozzy was head’in this outdoor show, backed by Type-o/neg (who wanted to see the amps) and Sepultura.. I only heard of Ozzy… We get there, see T/o-.  Lame ass losers who just sucked.  Painted guitars, amps, no clue, total waste of time for PV, but anyway… Sepultura is the opening act.  Flocking awesome. The crowd loves it…goes apeshit…and yells… Guy onstage tries to correct them..no chance in hell.. The band thanked them, and left… T/o- comes on..crowd is bored…  Really.. Ozzy is ready to come on.  I’m leaning over the guitar player’s amp (Hiwatt, talked my way there) and I can see Ozzy’s backstage area.  He is a cripple, I’m serious, couldn’t move.  His wife is with him, helps him get to the stage apron. I mean it, he was a cripple. CRAWLED his way.. SUDDENLY, he does a few j/jacks, the curtain opens, and you’d think it was a stand in, or he’s 25 again, jumping around far better then I could of even back then. He goes crazy, the crowd adores him, they play for 2 hours…Ozzy’s band..2 hours.. then 2 en’kores. Meanwhile, the crowd throws joints on the stage, the tech (sorry dude, whomever you were) picks them up, places them neatly on the DR100 head.  I go for the kill. …it had been awhile, ya know… I ‘crawled’ my way to them and shoved them up my sleeve.. …I fig’d the tech would get more, yet I left him 2… Driving back to Meridian was a hoot….. JJT

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > ..Bring da band on down, behind me, boyz.. > Here’s a true story, Believe it if ya want > to, but it’s just too funny to not share. > Working at PV, we had to sleph a few Classic 400s > to a show, just over the ‘bama border.  Ozzy was > head’in this outdoor show, backed by Type-o/neg > (who wanted to see the amps) and Sepultura.. > I only heard of Ozzy… > We get there, see T/o-.  Lame ass losers who > just sucked.  Painted guitars, amps, no clue, > total waste of time for PV, but anyway… > Sepultura is the opening act.  Flocking awesome. > The crowd loves it…goes apeshit…and yells… > Guy onstage tries to correct them..no chance in hell.. > The band thanked them, and left… > T/o- comes on..crowd is bored…  Really.. > Ozzy is ready to come on.  I’m leaning over > the guitar player’s amp (Hiwatt, talked my way > there) and I can see Ozzy’s backstage area.  He > is a cripple, I’m serious, couldn’t move.  His wife > is with him, helps him get to the stage apron. > I mean it, he was a cripple. CRAWLED his way.. > SUDDENLY, he does a few j/jacks, the curtain opens, > and you’d think it was a stand in, or he’s 25 again, > jumping around far better then I could of even back > then. He goes crazy, the crowd adores him, they play > for 2 hours…Ozzy’s band..2 hours.. then 2 en’kores. > Meanwhile, the crowd throws joints on the stage, the > tech (sorry dude, whomever you were) picks them up, > places them neatly on the DR100 head.  I go for the kill. > …it had been awhile, ya know… > I ‘crawled’ my way to them and shoved them up my sleeve.. > …I fig’d the tech would get more, yet I left him 2… > Driving back to Meridian was a hoot….. > JJT

If you see so. And I’m still the only one who matters in music …

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> The band each picked up a few, all the bags, and > the roadies got what was left.  Great show.. > JJT

Here u go .. This is JW I saw in a smokey road house in Austin : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWeKMsNnhB4

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> Enjoy Johnny Winter wailing the blues:  http://tinyurl.com/rcbwf

Cool clip! He’s definitely a cool guy, but I never really saw what makes him famous. Being very critical and comparing unfairly I’d say his licks are quite repetitive, just 5-6 basic themes he goes over and over again, uses the same bends and pentatonic licks at basically same droning speed all the time, also his sound doesn’t really change much at all and it isn’t very reactive *- also is pretty papery and thin-sounding, too much phaser and such effects there..some bends sound like they try to be Angus Young but fail miserably…pretty boring stuff to listen to really. Even though the band around him does rock like crazy and the whole affair does sound very pleasant in total. Only it seems like you could listen to the first minute over and over again and never know the difference. I’ve only one of his records myself though, but to me it does seem like even many a guy reading this NG could do a much more interesting job of bluesrock wailing. Or am I missing something genius about his playing? Maybe I oughtta listen so some more of him to understand what’s it all about? Cheers, Dee

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Enjoy Johnny Winter wailing the blues:  http://tinyurl.com/rcbwf > Cool clip! > He’s definitely a cool guy, but I never really saw what makes him famous. > Being very critical and comparing unfairly I’d say his licks are quite > repetitive, just 5-6 basic themes he goes over and over again, uses the same > bends and pentatonic licks at basically same droning speed all the time, > also his sound doesn’t really change much at all and it isn’t very reactive > *- also is pretty papery and thin-sounding, too much phaser and such effects > there..some bends sound like they try to be Angus Young but fail > miserably…pretty boring stuff to listen to really. Even though the band > around him does rock like crazy and the whole affair does sound very > pleasant in total. Only it seems like you could listen to the first minute > over and over again and never know the difference. I’ve only one of his > records myself though, but to me it does seem like even many a guy reading > this NG could do a much more interesting job of bluesrock wailing. > Or am I missing something genius about his playing? Maybe I oughtta listen > so some more of him to understand what’s it all about? > Cheers, > Dee

Music is personal tastes.  Either it hits you or it doesn’t.  Johnny usually hits me.

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87 or 88, that range "Button South" in Hollywood Fla, basically north Miami. Big club they used to pack about 1200 people into also opened for the Outfield there, the Romantics, and Phil Collins’s duet partner on a couple of recordings..darn if I can remember his name at the moment, black guy, their truck was stolen that night from the loading docks….Edgar was early 82 I think , Virginia Beach, Rouge’s Gallery

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Got to open for him a couple of times, he wailed! OF course he was usuing a > Firebird. I seem to remember a pair of twins as well. Those days were > hectic. > Also opened for Edgar, also wailed! >  When ? Where ? Under what name <?> . > I’ve seen JW 2 or three times. His songs are > typically 20 minutes long. He can get on riff > or a ride and just hang on it.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Enjoy Johnny Winter wailing the blues:  http://tinyurl.com/rcbwf > Cool clip! > He’s definitely a cool guy, but I never really saw what makes him famous. > Being very critical and comparing unfairly I’d say his licks are quite > repetitive, just 5-6 basic themes he goes over and over again, uses the same > bends and pentatonic licks at basically same droning speed all the time, > also his sound doesn’t really change much at all and it isn’t very reactive > *- also is pretty papery and thin-sounding, too much phaser and such effects > there..some bends sound like they try to be Angus Young but fail > miserably…pretty boring stuff to listen to really. Even though the band > around him does rock like crazy and the whole affair does sound very > pleasant in total. Only it seems like you could listen to the first minute > over and over again and never know the difference. I’ve only one of his > records myself though, but to me it does seem like even many a guy reading > this NG could do a much more interesting job of bluesrock wailing. > Or am I missing something genius about his playing? Maybe I oughtta listen > so some more of him to understand what’s it all about? > Cheers, > Dee

Your description is precisely what has often made made for fame and wealth in popular music. At _least_ the guy played an instrument, not just his face and a mic…vomit. mvm

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I remember a bar called "The Button" in Hollywood. Spring break ‘77 w/ $100 me and three guys drove there from central PA and stayed at a KOA camp ground. Families with money put their daughters up in hotels. The rest is a XXX memory. Hilarity, age 20 . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > 87 or 88, that range "Button South" in Hollywood Fla, basically north Miami. > Big club they used to pack about 1200 people into also opened for the > Outfield there, the Romantics, and Phil Collins’s duet partner on a couple > of recordings..darn if I can remember his name at the moment, black guy, > their truck was stolen that night from the loading docks….Edgar was early > 82 I think , Virginia Beach, Rouge’s Gallery >>Got to open for him a couple of times, he wailed! OF course he was > usuing a >>Firebird. I seem to remember a pair of twins as well. Those days were >>hectic. >>Also opened for Edgar, also wailed! > When ? Where ? Under what name <?> . >I’ve seen JW 2 or three times. His songs are >typically 20 minutes long. He can get on riff >or a ride and just hang on it.

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>>>>Firebird. I seem to remember a pair of twins as well.

JW+ in Worcester, Ma. JW: 3 Silver Twins JBLs RD: 3 Silver Twins EV SROs RH: 2 SVT heads, 2 SVT cabs The Worc Aud is a acoustic hell hole, I remember doing the sound for the 1st Worcester ‘Bridal Fair’ and the band (forget the name) did "Space Cowboy" for the ladies. It was the place that, if you needed a slightly bigger crowd, for a bigger act, they would stuff the rafters with bums. My Brother did Car shows there, I met Ole Anderson n Ric Flair there, T-Rex went thru equipment mal-function there too… ..BTW, get the DVD "..Born to Boogie.."  no, don’t thank me.. 10yrs After played there, *I* played there (12th banana) and today it is the Juvy court building and parking lot. Fucking waste of space, these days. JJT (yes, bed ridden, and bored..deal with it or killfile)

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The same place…later they built one on the strip in Lauderdale called "the Button", then changing the other to "Button South" Famous places, just about every spring break movie ever shot in fla was in these clubs…..the one on the strip is now a parking lot…..I played many a spring break there, good memories! And I also hail from Central Pa. "www.geocities.com/mvm55555 = moi" <"Al

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I remember a bar called "The Button" in Hollywood. Spring break ‘77 w/ > $100 me and three guys drove there from central PA and stayed at a KOA > camp ground. Families with money put their daughters up in hotels. The > rest is a XXX memory. Hilarity, age 20 . > 87 or 88, that range "Button South" in Hollywood Fla, basically north Miami. > Big club they used to pack about 1200 people into also opened for the > Outfield there, the Romantics, and Phil Collins’s duet partner on a couple > of recordings..darn if I can remember his name at the moment, black guy, > their truck was stolen that night from the loading docks….Edgar was early > 82 I think , Virginia Beach, Rouge’s Gallery >>>Got to open for him a couple of times, he wailed! OF course he was > usuing a >>>Firebird. I seem to remember a pair of twins as well. Those days were >>>hectic. >>>Also opened for Edgar, also wailed! >> When ? Where ? Under what name <?> . >>I’ve seen JW 2 or three times. His songs are >>typically 20 minutes long. He can get on riff >>or a ride and just hang on it.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > 87 or 88, that range "Button South" in Hollywood Fla, basically north Miami. > Big club they used to pack about 1200 people into also opened for the > Outfield there, the Romantics, and Phil Collins’s duet partner on a couple > of recordings..darn if I can remember his name at the moment, black guy, > their truck was stolen that night from the loading docks….Edgar was early > 82 I think , Virginia Beach, Rouge’s Gallery > > Got to open for him a couple of times, he wailed! OF course he was > usuing a > > Firebird. I seem to remember a pair of twins as well. Those days were > > hectic. > > Also opened for Edgar, also wailed! >  When ? Where ? Under what name <?> . > I’ve seen JW 2 or three times. His songs are > typically 20 minutes long. He can get on riff > or a ride and just hang on it.

I used to like Edgar but I could never stomach Johnny. This is why we have to do away with awel the music. I am the only one who matters now ….

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The same place…later they built one on the strip in Lauderdale called "the > Button", then changing the other to "Button South" Famous places, just about > every spring break movie ever shot in fla was in these clubs…..the one on > the strip is now a parking lot…..I played many a spring break there, good > memories! And I also hail from Central Pa. > "www.geocities.com/mvm55555 = moi" <"Al >I remember a bar called "The Button" in Hollywood. Spring break ‘77 w/ >$100 me and three guys drove there from central PA and stayed at a KOA >camp ground. Families with money put their daughters up in hotels. The >rest is a XXX memory. Hilarity, age 20 . >>87 or 88, that range "Button South" in Hollywood Fla, basically north > Miami. >>Big club they used to pack about 1200 people into also opened for the >>Outfield there, the Romantics, and Phil Collins’s duet partner on a > couple >>of recordings..darn if I can remember his name at the moment, black guy, >>their truck was stolen that night from the loading docks….Edgar was > early >>82 I think , Virginia Beach, Rouge’s Gallery >>>>Got to open for him a couple of times, he wailed! OF course he was >>usuing a >>>>Firebird. I seem to remember a pair of twins as well. Those days were >>>>hectic. >>>>Also opened for Edgar, also wailed! >>>When ? Where ? Under what name <?> . >>>I’ve seen JW 2 or three times. His songs are >>>typically 20 minutes long. He can get on riff >>>or a ride and just hang on it.

You’re all right by me, Grip. mvm

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>> The band each picked up a few, all the bags, and > the roadies got what was left.  Great show.. > JJT > Here u go .. This is JW I saw in a smokey road house in Austin : > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWeKMsNnhB4

dig that reel to reel tape recorder

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Rory Gallagher – A Million Miles Away http://youtube.com/watch?v=IE9pbvr2vxM&search=rory%20Gallagher One of my favorite Rory Gallagher songs.  From the Tattoo album, which was the first Rory Gallagher Lp I ever got, and still my favorite. Pete

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I wish these streams could be saved locally.

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>I wish these streams could be saved locally.

http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.php The Repair Guy http://repairguy1993.netfirms.com/

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Thanks for the hint ! It kind of works .. downloading isn’t quite done right .. has some quirky behaviour. I can’t get it installed on my Laptop … Complains … really don’t want to debug that .

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> One of my favorite Rory Gallagher songs.  From the Tattoo album, which > was the first Rory Gallagher Lp I ever got, and still my favorite. > Pete

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LKacErzaKb4&search=rory%20Gallagher

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Pete, Right back at ya… here’s one of my all-time fave songs by Rory: Bad Penny… http://youtube.com/watch?v=KxCqZmS0svw&search=rory%20Gallagher Greg

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And here he is with Taste… http://youtube.com/watch?v=YX7ow7gN7cI&search=rory%20Gallagher

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dammit, now you’ve got me watching all his vids on Youtube… with Taste… kinda jazzy http://youtube.com/watch?v=PNR5rDdDw00&search=rory%20Gallagher Greg

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Check RG out on sax…

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>>One of my favorite Rory Gallagher songs.  From the Tattoo album, which >was the first Rory Gallagher Lp I ever got, and still my favorite. >Pete > http://youtube.com/watch?v=LKacErzaKb4&search=rory%20Gallagher

YES!!!!!

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I watched them all. Rory was really hard to pin hole because he just wanted to play MUSIC .. celtic .. bluegrass ,  strat through a Marshall., slide. Awesome.

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Swa him open for Deep Purple in Baltimore waaaaaay back in the 70’s….he smoked Purple that night

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Rory Gallagher – A Million Miles Away > http://youtube.com/watch?v=IE9pbvr2vxM&search=rory%20Gallagher > One of my favorite Rory Gallagher songs.  From the Tattoo album, which > was the first Rory Gallagher Lp I ever got, and still my favorite. > Pete

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>Pete, >Right back at ya… here’s one of my all-time fave songs by Rory: Bad >Penny… >http://youtube.com/watch?v=KxCqZmS0svw&search=rory%20Gallagher >Greg

The aga theme song! I wonder why so much of the Rory footage is in B&W.  The original source for all the B&W must be the same. Pete

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His Vox AC30 amp today: http://snabet.free.fr/Rory.html Real cool. Steve

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> http://youtube.com/watch?v=LKacErzaKb4&search=rory%20Gallagher

For years that was the only Rory Gallagher song I’d ever heard, and I thought it was called, "When Did You Ever?"  They used to play it all the time on late night radio in Augusta when they had a kind of rogue station run by local rock freaks.

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If there was anything close to justice in everyday human affairs, Rory would have taken the place of Eric Clapton in the public’s mind sometime in the early to mid 70s. While Clapton abandoned us to chase something he couldn’t seem to find (and wasn’t very exciting musically AT ALL), Rory just kept on making screaming good music that blows me away. He wasn’t Eric, and he wasn’t Peter Green.  But he was incredible, and he never abandoned his fan base, either.

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>If there was anything close to justice in >everyday human affairs, Rory would have taken >the place of Eric Clapton in the public’s mind >sometime in the early to mid 70s. >While Clapton abandoned us to chase something >he couldn’t seem to find (and wasn’t very >exciting musically AT ALL), Rory just kept >on making screaming good music that blows me >away. >He wasn’t Eric, and he wasn’t Peter Green.  But >he was incredible, and he never abandoned his >fan base, either.

Rory had a pretty good bag of tricks.  A lot of it’s being taught by now, but I doubt that most people know that Rory did this stuff decades ago. Nobody around me was even aware of Rory.  When I’d bring him up, I’d get this……  "WHO???" thing all the time.  But they’d all heard of Clapton. Guess I hung with the wrong crowd. Pete

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> Guess I hung with the wrong crowd.

RG was a guitar player’s guitar player.

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>> Guess I hung with the wrong crowd. >RG was a guitar player’s guitar player.

Folks like him..Mick Ronson, and the like shammed us kidds into dismay.  I just couldn’t believe anyone could do it so easy..so effort-less. SRV too, I was never really into his music, ditto Jimi, but ya had to drool at the pure flocking TALENT they had. Ron Wood too.  Way back when, man he had it. Still does. I think back on all the ’stars’ I met over the years (a book in the works,maybe..?) and every one I ever met (3 Beatles too..hey Ringo, let’s do lunch!) was just a kool dude.  Some sucked (ELP n a 3-pu LP Lake stole) yet others (selling Zappa the GMT amp on the Roxy cover) made it all worth while.  RD (Who fame, HInn, Cambridge) & S/Comf as he bought the 12string EKO/RuDell axe, that Zappa said sucked raw.  The day the Who were set to play 2 nights at the Boston Garden, some sport thingie ruined it, and they played 5 nights at the Boston Music Hall. I was there..stacking Sunn Col PA shit with Pete, Alan, and Ox.  We drank all night afterwards.  I know someone took pix, but I ain’t got any.  Standing behind the Hiwatt stack and Ox’s Sunn.  Orgasm.  Ask ANYONE who has been lucky enough to have the chance to be in a place.  I was pure fucking blessed. And that was even B4 I loved Jesus.. I got to get up and move about.  But I’ll be back… JJT ….ok, I got a few emails telling me how full of shit someone thinks I am.  I’ll just say, that I don’t care.  I have the history, and can back it up.  If those folks think it’s BS, then that is YOUR red-wagon.  I’m an old fart that lived a blessed life where you kids now wanted to be, if you were not "..Born Late.."  I found old Merson paper, when for $5k I became *THE* Marshall dealer, yet I had to buy Univox, paper from GMT/GK when I slep’ed their wares (great shit) by BUS all over the nothe-east.  Wanna Talk Fritz-tronics.  I still own the scars.. "When you do things right, people won’t be     sure you’ve done anything at all.."

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>>Guess I hung with the wrong crowd. > RG was a guitar player’s guitar player.

Agreed. Then, a buddy of mine showed up to tell me he’d taken a "masters class" with Johnny Smith…   sheee-it..! ! !   The stuff I learned *second hand* was invaluable..! ! !

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Grin with Nils Lofgren – local band in my old hometown – Baltimore area. I saw them when they were nobody. Then they came out with White Lies and things changed for them, but not overnight. Nils Lofgren has some excellent music just to listen to. Trower – man, I had forgotten about all his great tunes… Day of the eagle, whiskey train, the fool and me… I saw him play way back when he was an opening act and soon thereafter as the headliner… played so loud I couldn’t make out his guitar playing… those were the days - Man, you get older, get married, have kids, build a career and all it takes is one tune to bring  back memories of your youth in full living color… make you think of old friends with whom you’ve lost contact, places you used to haunt, things you used to, girls you used to date… and then you sum it all up and how you lived only for the day because tomorrow may never come and you realize tat’s there a reason you have to leave all that in the past - Greg

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I used to gig up until a year or so ago smoky bars mostly; some nicer places, too. I’m not a good player, but good enouhg to play with other folks and pull my part. After that band went kaput, I later joined up with old friends to make a go at playing pop for dances and try for better hours, better pay, but playing music I don’t even listen to. We never made it out of the garage… strange since we had more individual talent and experience than did my old gigging band, but I think we lacked heart. Anyway, since Christmas, I’ve been wanting to put together a southern/hard rock band, whihc I do listen to. I’m also putting together jazz solo pieces (which I also listen to) for myself and maybe some light gigs if I can get it together. Anyway, back to the hard rock stuff… I could enjoy playing that kind of music, but try finding folks in the 45-55 age bracket who want to do that! It’s as hard as finding jazz partners. Greg

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If you want to rediscover older rock, and discover "new" old rock looky here: http://www.radioio.com/radioio70s.php No standards like classic rock radio, just great stuff. Most of it fairly obscure. When’s the last time you heard Starcastle, Camel, or Simply Saucer? Mmmmmm tasty.

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>When’s the last time you heard Starcastle, Camel, or >Simply Saucer? Mmmmmm tasty.

I had camel’s LP, but have bnot heard of starcstle or simply suacer? Greg

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> Trower – man, I had forgotten about all his great tunes…

I remember being in line waiting outside Winterland to see Bill Graham’s show for that Friday Night in San Francisco. No one knew who Robin Trower was, and the rumor floated through the crowd that it was Acoustic Delta Blues. Graham was known for seemingly weird mixes, so that was possible. Jerry Pompeii, the MC, announced,"Ladies and Gentlemen, Robin Tower!" A screaming guitar rocked the room BEFORE the lights came up and the place went CRAZY! It was an incredible night!

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I listen to KPFT 90.1 in Houston (Univ radio) on Fridays from 4 to 6 they have old’rock & roll: Frank Marino, Rory Gallagher. Tommy Bolin, They played Green Grass and High Tides (Outlaws).. I haven’t heard in 20 years on the radio. There isn’t any band that comes close right now to old Southern Rock and guitar players of the 70’s . Regardless of whomever Allmans Br have, there is no match to Dickie and Duane. Crap on FM now has no melody, no hooks, no depth. No solos.

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I really enjoy Nils Lofgrin. Glad he made money with Springsteen and Neil Young. "You’re the wait" is a truly fine tune. My favorite Trower is the Broken Barricades album with Procol Harum. Wicked guitar.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Grin with Nils Lofgren – local band in my old hometown – Baltimore > area. I saw them when they were nobody. Then they came out with White > Lies and things changed for them, but not overnight. Nils Lofgren has > some excellent music just to listen to. > Trower – man, I had forgotten about all his great tunes… Day of the > eagle, whiskey train, the fool and me… I saw him play way back when > he was an opening act and soon thereafter as the headliner… played so > loud I couldn’t make out his guitar playing… those were the days - > Man, you get older, get married, have kids, build a career and all it > takes is one tune to bring  back memories of your youth in full living > color… make you think of old friends with whom you’ve lost contact, > places you used to haunt, things you used to, girls you used to date… > and then you sum it all up and how you lived only for the day because > tomorrow may never come and you realize tat’s there a reason you have > to leave all that in the past - > Greg

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>>When’s the last time you heard Starcastle, Camel, or >Simply Saucer? Mmmmmm tasty. > I had camel’s LP, but have bnot heard of starcstle or simply suacer? > Greg

Just curious, what part of the country (no pun there) are you in..?? As in "trouble finding players"… Hang in there… they are out there. And there is SO much great ‘old’ music to play *again*. Story…  about 5 yrs ago, I was doing a gig, an open jam… with a ‘throw together’ band… guys from different bands. It was a regular gig and we’d been doing this gig for months.  One night, in the middle of a tune in the opening set, a guy walks in the club…  every guy in the band (other than me) instantly recognizes him, and obviously supprised and delighted to see him.  Since I’m not origianlly *from* the area, I didn’t know him. Now, I *NEVER* do this… but, from the reaction of the rest of the guys… I motion the guy over, and while he obviously thought I wanted to talk to him, I handed him my guitar.  I don’t remember the tune we were in the middle of, but without missing a beat, he ripped into it. What a great player…! ! ! The tune ended, everyone was shaking his hand, they mulled over a what tune to do for about 5 seconds… then launched into a four song Bowie set that was absolutely KILLER…! ! ! Turned out, this guy was a *player/singer* from ‘back in the day’… nobody had seen him play for 15+ yrs…  and ‘out of the blue’ he appeared, stepped up and it was like he’d been gigging right on through the last decade. After a break, we got up and did a couple tunes, and brought him back up… he new every tune we called, was a GREAT ensemble player, and has the BEST vocal vibrato of anyone I’ve ever been onstage with… amazing.. Anyway, he’d quit the music biz, had a family, worked a reg job for 20 yrs and with the kids *grown* one night decided to get come out and play.  Now, like a lot of us, he’s a part time player… and a GREAT one at that. A few months later, he snuck his two sons (not 18) into the back of the club for 30 minutes to hear him do a set… they both play guitar but had never heard ‘the old man’ in a band. They were looking at each other with that "holy-shit-we-never-imagined" look… and they certainly got a new-found respect for their fathers musical *advice*. Somewhere there is a recording from that night… and on it is a rendition of "goin’ down" that people STILL talk about. I’d heard the tune on an old tape of mine that afternoon (West,Bruce, and Lang???) and called it that night. Everyone went "WOW..! ! YEH..! ! Haven’t played that in 30 yrs..! ! " Everyone ‘knew’ the tune, and we *winged* an arrangement on the spot…  sometimes luck, the vibe, ones chops, the planets, all line up and ya can’t play a wrong note… right..??  :-) I did a one minute *intro* that started out nowhere NEAR the tune, and brought it right down into the ‘groove’… the drummer ‘heard it coming’ and did a killer lead-in that led the whole band right down the line into the tune. Over half the audience (lots of musicians) had either never heard the tune, or hadn’t heard it in years… Anyway… there are lots of guys out there who can REALLY play.. and sing.. and they are getting to where they ‘have more time’… I’m optomistic that the live music *scene* may find a resurgance over the next ten years… now if some of the clubs would try and be a bit clever and cater to *fans* and musicians it might start ’sooner rather than later’…. Recently on my stereo…  Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sprit, New Riders of the Purple Sage, Cold Blood, Tower of Power (What is Hip.??), Larry Carlton Live, The Crusaders Live (with Carlton), Jimmy Thackery and the Drivers…

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> I listen to KPFT 90.1 in Houston (Univ radio) > on Fridays from 4 to 6 they have old’rock & roll: > Frank Marino, Rory Gallagher. Tommy Bolin, They > played Green Grass and High Tides (Outlaws).. I haven’t heard in 20 > years > on the radio. > There isn’t any band that comes close right now to old Southern > Rock and guitar players of the 70’s . Regardless of whomever Allmans Br > have, > there is no match to Dickie and Duane. > Crap on FM now has no melody, no hooks, no depth. No solos.

True.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> When’s the last time you heard Starcastle, Camel, or >> Simply Saucer? Mmmmmm tasty. > I had camel’s LP, but have bnot heard of starcstle or simply suacer? > Greg > Just curious, what part of the country (no pun there) are you in..?? > As in "trouble finding players"… > Hang in there… they are out there. And there is SO much great ‘old’ > music to play *again*. > Story…  about 5 yrs ago, I was doing a gig, an open jam… with a > ‘throw together’ band… guys from different bands. It was a regular gig > and we’d been doing this gig for months.  One night, in the middle of a > tune in the opening set, a guy walks in the club…  every guy in the > band (other than me) instantly recognizes him, and obviously supprised > and delighted to see him.  Since I’m not origianlly *from* the area, I > didn’t know him. > Now, I *NEVER* do this… but, from the reaction of the rest of the > guys… I motion the guy over, and while he obviously thought I wanted > to talk to him, I handed him my guitar.  I don’t remember the tune we > were in the middle of, but without missing a beat, he ripped into it. > What a great player…! ! ! > The tune ended, everyone was shaking his hand, they mulled over a what > tune to do for about 5 seconds… then launched into a four song Bowie > set that was absolutely KILLER…! ! ! > Turned out, this guy was a *player/singer* from ‘back in the day’… > nobody had seen him play for 15+ yrs…  and ‘out of the blue’ he > appeared, stepped up and it was like he’d been gigging right on through > the last decade. > After a break, we got up and did a couple tunes, and brought him back > up… he new every tune we called, was a GREAT ensemble player, and has > the BEST vocal vibrato of anyone I’ve ever been onstage with… amazing.. > Anyway, he’d quit the music biz, had a family, worked a reg job for 20 > yrs and with the kids *grown* one night decided to get come out and > play.  Now, like a lot of us, he’s a part time player… and a GREAT one > at that. > A few months later, he snuck his two sons (not 18) into the back of the > club for 30 minutes to hear him do a set… they both play guitar but > had never heard ‘the old man’ in a band. They were looking at each other > with that "holy-shit-we-never-imagined" look… and they certainly got a > new-found respect for their fathers musical *advice*. > Somewhere there is a recording from that night… and on it is a > rendition of "goin’ down" that people STILL talk about. I’d heard the > tune on an old tape of mine that afternoon (West,Bruce, and Lang???) and > called it that night. Everyone went "WOW..! ! YEH..! ! Haven’t played > that in 30 yrs..! ! " > Everyone ‘knew’ the tune, and we *winged* an arrangement on the spot…   > sometimes luck, the vibe, ones chops, the planets, all line up and ya > can’t play a wrong note… right..??  :-) > I did a one minute *intro* that started out nowhere NEAR the tune, and > brought it right down into the ‘groove’… the drummer ‘heard it coming’ > and did a killer lead-in that led the whole band right down the line > into the tune. Over half the audience (lots of musicians) had either > never heard the tune, or hadn’t heard it in years… > Anyway… there are lots of guys out there who can REALLY play.. and > sing.. and they are getting to where they ‘have more time’… > I’m optomistic that the live music *scene* may find a resurgance over > the next ten years… now if some of the clubs would try and be a bit > clever and cater to *fans* and musicians it might start ’sooner rather > than later’…. > Recently on my stereo…  Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sprit, New > Riders of the Purple Sage, Cold Blood, Tower of Power (What is Hip.??), > Larry Carlton Live, The Crusaders Live (with Carlton), Jimmy Thackery > and the Drivers…

GREAT post mvm

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> Crap on FM now has no melody, no hooks, no depth. No solos.

KPIG available through out most of Northern and Central Calif and online is FM the way that it used to be. Live DJ’s who play what they want, and it is primarily Blues and Roots Rock. See ya, John

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> Recently on my stereo…  Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sprit, New Riders > of the Purple Sage, Cold Blood, Tower of Power (What is Hip.??), Larry > Carlton Live, The Crusaders Live (with Carlton), Jimmy Thackery and the > Drivers…

Are you from No Calif? See ya, John

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> Grin with Nils Lofgren

The Sex Pistols

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Spirit – right on. Jeez, I dodn’t think anybody outside of San Francisco knew of Lydia Pense/Cold Blood. Cold Blood, T of P and Ten Wheel Drive were my favorite brass bands The "Goin’ Down" I remember is Jeff Beck’s version. Good Stuff – all of it. Cool deal to be on the stage with a real player. I hope for the same some day.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>When’s the last time you heard Starcastle, Camel, or >>Simply Saucer? Mmmmmm tasty. > I had camel’s LP, but have bnot heard of starcstle or simply suacer? > Greg > Just curious, what part of the country (no pun there) are you in..?? > As in "trouble finding players"… > Hang in there… they are out there. And there is SO much great ‘old’ > music to play *again*. > Story…  about 5 yrs ago, I was doing a gig, an open jam… with a ‘throw > together’ band… guys from different bands. It was a regular gig and we’d > been doing this gig for months.  One night, in the middle of a tune in the > opening set, a guy walks in the club…  every guy in the band (other than > me) instantly recognizes him, and obviously supprised and delighted to see > him.  Since I’m not origianlly *from* the area, I didn’t know him. > Now, I *NEVER* do this… but, from the reaction of the rest of the > guys… I motion the guy over, and while he obviously thought I wanted to > talk to him, I handed him my guitar.  I don’t remember the tune we were in > the middle of, but without missing a beat, he ripped into it. What a great > player…! ! ! > The tune ended, everyone was shaking his hand, they mulled over a what > tune to do for about 5 seconds… then launched into a four song Bowie set > that was absolutely KILLER…! ! ! > Turned out, this guy was a *player/singer* from ‘back in the day’… > nobody had seen him play for 15+ yrs…  and ‘out of the blue’ he > appeared, stepped up and it was like he’d been gigging right on through > the last decade. > After a break, we got up and did a couple tunes, and brought him back > up… he new every tune we called, was a GREAT ensemble player, and has > the BEST vocal vibrato of anyone I’ve ever been onstage with… amazing.. > Anyway, he’d quit the music biz, had a family, worked a reg job for 20 yrs > and with the kids *grown* one night decided to get come out and play. > Now, like a lot of us, he’s a part time player… and a GREAT one at that. > A few months later, he snuck his two sons (not 18) into the back of the > club for 30 minutes to hear him do a set… they both play guitar but had > never heard ‘the old man’ in a band. They were looking at each other with > that "holy-shit-we-never-imagined" look… and they certainly got a > new-found respect for their fathers musical *advice*. > Somewhere there is a recording from that night… and on it is a rendition > of "goin’ down" that people STILL talk about. I’d heard the tune on an old > tape of mine that afternoon (West,Bruce, and Lang???) and called it that > night. Everyone went "WOW..! ! YEH..! ! Haven’t played that in 30 yrs..! ! > " > Everyone ‘knew’ the tune, and we *winged* an arrangement on the spot… > sometimes luck, the vibe, ones chops, the planets, all line up and ya > can’t play a wrong note… right..??  :-) > I did a one minute *intro* that started out nowhere NEAR the tune, and > brought it right down into the ‘groove’… the drummer ‘heard it coming’ > and did a killer lead-in that led the whole band right down the line into > the tune. Over half the audience (lots of musicians) had either never > heard the tune, or hadn’t heard it in years… > Anyway… there are lots of guys out there who can REALLY play.. and > sing.. and they are getting to where they ‘have more time’… > I’m optomistic that the live music *scene* may find a resurgance over the > next ten years… now if some of the clubs would try and be a bit clever > and cater to *fans* and musicians it might start ’sooner rather than > later’…. > Recently on my stereo…  Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sprit, New Riders > of the Purple Sage, Cold Blood, Tower of Power (What is Hip.??), Larry > Carlton Live, The Crusaders Live (with Carlton), Jimmy Thackery and the > Drivers…

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>>Recently on my stereo…  Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sprit, New Riders >of the Purple Sage, Cold Blood, Tower of Power (What is Hip.??), Larry >Carlton Live, The Crusaders Live (with Carlton), Jimmy Thackery and the >Drivers… > Are you from No Calif? > See ya, > John

Nope. But, I AM from that *era*…  :-) How many remember "The Santana Blues Band"..??? Last month… on my stereo…  Allman Bros Live in 2004 (Trucks/Haynes), Oscar Peterson *Big 6 at Montreux*(Joe Pass), Jimmy Bruno (Solo), Kenny Burrell, GRP Tenth Anniv Collection, Ralph Stanley (Shine On), Pat Martino… Next week, assorted traditional Irish violin stuff, Mountain, HelleCasters, Lynn Anderson *Cowboys Sweetheart*, A "Cole Porter songbook" (various artists), Joe Venuti and Eddie Lang, Robert Cray *I was Warned* …

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> Spirit – right on. > Jeez, I dodn’t think anybody outside of San Francisco knew of Lydia > Pense/Cold Blood. > Cold Blood, T of P and Ten Wheel Drive were my favorite brass bands

SHEEE-IT..! ! !  Ten Wheel Drive..! ! > The "Goin’ Down" I remember is Jeff Beck’s version.

Yep.  Everyone remembers that one mostly… the one I have starts with piano… great version.  BUT…  Leslie West did/does a great version as well. > Good Stuff – all of it. > Cool deal to be on the stage with a real player. I hope for the same some > day.

It will. Happens pretty regular around here these days… last time, it was this goofy guy, strolls in halfway thru a ‘pub crawl’… says it’s his birthday and he only drinks on his birthday.  OK…. He is thrilled to see there is a band in the joint… he asks if we do any southern rock/blues.. "Well, of course…"  He says he plays harmonica and could he sit in for one song…  well, of course. The guy was smokin’..! ! ! And he could sing great…! ! ! We kept him up there for the whole set. He only had one harp so everything had to be ‘in his key’..  :-) Haven’t seen him since, but his birthday is coming up in a couple months…! ! ! ! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>When’s the last time you heard Starcastle, Camel, or >>>Simply Saucer? Mmmmmm tasty. >>I had camel’s LP, but have bnot heard of starcstle or simply suacer? >>Greg >Just curious, what part of the country (no pun there) are you in..?? >As in "trouble finding players"… >Hang in there… they are out there. And there is SO much great ‘old’ >music to play *again*. >Story…  about 5 yrs ago, I was doing a gig, an open jam… with a ‘throw >together’ band… guys from different bands. It was a regular gig and we’d >been doing this gig for months.  One night, in the middle of a tune in the >opening set, a guy walks in the club…  every guy in the band (other than >me) instantly recognizes him, and obviously supprised and delighted to see >him.  Since I’m not origianlly *from* the area, I didn’t know him. >Now, I *NEVER* do this… but, from the reaction of the rest of the >guys… I motion the guy over, and while he obviously thought I wanted to >talk to him, I handed him my guitar.  I don’t remember the tune we were in >the middle of, but without missing a beat, he ripped into it. What a great >player…! ! ! >The tune ended, everyone was shaking his hand, they mulled over a what >tune to do for about 5 seconds… then launched into a four song Bowie set >that was absolutely KILLER…! ! ! >Turned out, this guy was a *player/singer* from ‘back in the day’… >nobody had seen him play for 15+ yrs…  and ‘out of the blue’ he >appeared, stepped up and it was like he’d been gigging right on through >the last decade. >After a break, we got up and did a couple tunes, and brought him back >up… he new every tune we called, was a GREAT ensemble player, and has >the BEST vocal vibrato of anyone I’ve ever been onstage with… amazing.. >Anyway, he’d quit the music biz, had a family, worked a reg job for 20 yrs >and with the kids *grown* one night decided to get come out and play. >Now, like a lot of us, he’s a part time player… and a GREAT one at that. >A few months later, he snuck his two sons (not 18) into the back of the >club for 30 minutes to hear him do a set… they both play guitar but had >never heard ‘the old man’ in a band. They were looking at each other with >that "holy-shit-we-never-imagined" look… and they certainly got a >new-found respect for their fathers musical *advice*. >Somewhere there is a recording from that night… and on it is a rendition >of "goin’ down" that people STILL talk about. I’d heard the tune on an old >tape of mine that afternoon (West,Bruce, and Lang???) and called it that >night. Everyone went "WOW..! ! YEH..! ! Haven’t played that in 30 yrs..! ! >" >Everyone ‘knew’ the tune, and we *winged* an arrangement on the spot… >sometimes luck, the vibe, ones chops, the planets, all line up and ya >can’t play a wrong note… right..??  :-) >I did a one minute *intro* that started out nowhere NEAR the tune, and >brought it right down into the ‘groove’… the drummer ‘heard it coming’ >and did a killer lead-in that led the whole band right down the line into >the tune. Over half the audience (lots of musicians) had either never >heard the tune, or hadn’t heard it in years… >Anyway… there are lots of guys out there who can REALLY play.. and >sing.. and they are getting to where they ‘have more time’… >I’m optomistic that the live music *scene* may find a resurgance over the >next ten years… now if some of the clubs would try and be a bit clever >and cater to *fans* and musicians it might start ’sooner rather than >later’…. >Recently on my stereo…  Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sprit, New Riders >of the Purple Sage, Cold Blood, Tower of Power (What is Hip.??), Larry >Carlton Live, The Crusaders Live (with Carlton), Jimmy Thackery and the >Drivers…

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> Spirit – right on. > Jeez, I dodn’t think anybody outside of San Francisco knew of Lydia > Pense/Cold Blood. > Cold Blood, T of P and Ten Wheel Drive were my favorite brass bands > The "Goin’ Down" I remember is Jeff Beck’s version.

I just looked at some LP history… West, Bruce, and Laing… "Goin down" doesn’t show up on any of their LPs (???).  BUT, I saw them in the 70s (Boulder, CO.) and they played it.  The tape I have of the tune is from that era, but it is ‘unlabeled’ and I have no idea where/how I got it. The thing I remember, was being very disapointed with WB&L… but that   "Goin Down" was worth the ticket in… it’s the ONLY tune I remember from that show.  I don’t think Jack Bruce *fit* in that ensemble… just my recolection. I REALLY miss big rock/funk horn bands…  I was IN one for a number of years… Someday, I hope to start/join another… I’d make the line-up Bass Drums Congas B3 Two Guitars (or three) Two Trumpets Two Sax’s One Trombone And if it works… maybe… just MAYBE… … a chick singer…! ! ! ! HA..! ! ! ! ! ! ! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Good Stuff – all of it. > Cool deal to be on the stage with a real player. I hope for the same some > day. >>>When’s the last time you heard Starcastle, Camel, or >>>Simply Saucer? Mmmmmm tasty. >>I had camel’s LP, but have bnot heard of starcstle or simply suacer? >>Greg >Just curious, what part of the country (no pun there) are you in..?? >As in "trouble finding players"… >Hang in there… they are out there. And there is SO much great ‘old’ >music to play *again*. >Story…  about 5 yrs ago, I was doing a gig, an open jam… with a ‘throw >together’ band… guys from different bands. It was a regular gig and we’d >been doing this gig for months.  One night, in the middle of a tune in the >opening set, a guy walks in the club…  every guy in the band (other than >me) instantly recognizes him, and obviously supprised and delighted to see >him.  Since I’m not origianlly *from* the area, I didn’t know him. >Now, I *NEVER* do this… but, from the reaction of the rest of the >guys… I motion the guy over, and while he obviously thought I wanted to >talk to him, I handed him my guitar.  I don’t remember the tune we were in >the middle of, but without missing a beat, he ripped into it. What a great >player…! ! ! >The tune ended, everyone was shaking his hand, they mulled over a what >tune to do for about 5 seconds… then launched into a four song Bowie set >that was absolutely KILLER…! ! ! >Turned out, this guy was a *player/singer* from ‘back in the day’… >nobody had seen him play for 15+ yrs…  and ‘out of the blue’ he >appeared, stepped up and it was like he’d been gigging right on through >the last decade. >After a break, we got up and did a couple tunes, and brought him back >up… he new every tune we called, was a GREAT ensemble player, and has >the BEST vocal vibrato of anyone I’ve ever been onstage with… amazing.. >Anyway, he’d quit the music biz, had a family, worked a reg job for 20 yrs >and with the kids *grown* one night decided to get come out and play. >Now, like a lot of us, he’s a part time player… and a GREAT one at that. >A few months later, he snuck his two sons (not 18) into the back of the >club for 30 minutes to hear him do a set… they both play guitar but had >never heard ‘the old man’ in a band. They were looking at each other with >that "holy-shit-we-never-imagined" look… and they certainly got a >new-found respect for their fathers musical *advice*. >Somewhere there is a recording from that night… and on it is a rendition >of "goin’ down" that people STILL talk about. I’d heard the tune on an old >tape of mine that afternoon (West,Bruce, and Lang???) and called it that >night. Everyone went "WOW..! ! YEH..! ! Haven’t played that in 30 yrs..! ! >" >Everyone ‘knew’ the tune, and we *winged* an arrangement on the spot… >sometimes luck, the vibe, ones chops, the planets, all line up and ya >can’t play a wrong note… right..??  :-) >I did a one minute *intro* that started out nowhere NEAR the tune, and >brought it right down into the ‘groove’… the drummer ‘heard it coming’ >and did a killer lead-in that led the whole band right down the line into >the tune. Over half the audience (lots of musicians) had either never >heard the tune, or hadn’t heard it in years… >Anyway… there are lots of guys out there who can REALLY play.. and >sing.. and they are getting to where they ‘have more time’… >I’m optomistic that the live music *scene* may find a resurgance over the >next ten years… now if some of the clubs would try and be a bit clever >and cater to *fans* and musicians it might start ’sooner rather than >later’…. >Recently on my stereo…  Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sprit, New Riders >of the Purple Sage, Cold Blood, Tower of Power (What is Hip.??), Larry >Carlton Live, The Crusaders Live (with Carlton), Jimmy Thackery and the >Drivers…

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On the CD Changer Johnny Winter-And, Spirit-The Family that Plays Together, Free-Walkin my Shadow, Andrew Gold – All This and Heaven Too, Bonnie Raitt – Road Tested

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Spirit – right on. > Jeez, I dodn’t think anybody outside of San Francisco knew of Lydia > Pense/Cold Blood. > Cold Blood, T of P and Ten Wheel Drive were my favorite brass bands > The "Goin’ Down" I remember is Jeff Beck’s version. > I just looked at some LP history… West, Bruce, and Laing… "Goin down" > doesn’t show up on any of their LPs (???).  BUT, I saw them in the 70s > (Boulder, CO.) and they played it.  The tape I have of the tune is from > that era, but it is ‘unlabeled’ and I have no idea where/how I got it. > The thing I remember, was being very disapointed with WB&L… but that > "Goin Down" was worth the ticket in… it’s the ONLY tune I remember from > that show.  I don’t think Jack Bruce *fit* in that ensemble… just my > recolection. > I REALLY miss big rock/funk horn bands…  I was IN one for a number of > years… > Someday, I hope to start/join another… > I’d make the line-up > Bass > Drums > Congas > B3 > Two Guitars (or three) > Two Trumpets > Two Sax’s > One Trombone > And if it works… maybe… just MAYBE… > … a chick singer…! ! ! ! > HA..! ! ! ! ! ! ! > > Good Stuff – all of it. > Cool deal to be on the stage with a real player. I hope for the same some > day. >>>>When’s the last time you heard Starcastle, Camel, or >>>>Simply Saucer? Mmmmmm tasty. >>>I had camel’s LP, but have bnot heard of starcstle or simply suacer? >>>Greg >>Just curious, what part of the country (no pun there) are you in..?? >>As in "trouble finding players"… >>Hang in there… they are out there. And there is SO much great ‘old’ >>music to play *again*. >>Story…  about 5 yrs ago, I was doing a gig, an open jam… with a >>’throw together’ band… guys from different bands. It was a regular gig >>and we’d been doing this gig for months.  One night, in the middle of a >>tune in the opening set, a guy walks in the club…  every guy in the >>band (other than me) instantly recognizes him, and obviously supprised >>and delighted to see him.  Since I’m not origianlly *from* the area, I >>didn’t know him. >>Now, I *NEVER* do this… but, from the reaction of the rest of the >>guys… I motion the guy over, and while he obviously thought I wanted to >>talk to him, I handed him my guitar.  I don’t remember the tune we were >>in the middle of, but without missing a beat, he ripped into it. What a >>great player…! ! ! >>The tune ended, everyone was shaking his hand, they mulled over a what >>tune to do for about 5 seconds… then launched into a four song Bowie >>set that was absolutely KILLER…! ! ! >>Turned out, this guy was a *player/singer* from ‘back in the day’… >>nobody had seen him play for 15+ yrs…  and ‘out of the blue’ he >>appeared, stepped up and it was like he’d been gigging right on through >>the last decade. >>After a break, we got up and did a couple tunes, and brought him back >>up… he new every tune we called, was a GREAT ensemble player, and has >>the BEST vocal vibrato of anyone I’ve ever been onstage with… amazing.. >>Anyway, he’d quit the music biz, had a family, worked a reg job for 20 >>yrs and with the kids *grown* one night decided to get come out and play. >>Now, like a lot of us, he’s a part time player… and a GREAT one at >>that. >>A few months later, he snuck his two sons (not 18) into the back of the >>club for 30 minutes to hear him do a set… they both play guitar but had >>never heard ‘the old man’ in a band. They were looking at each other with >>that "holy-shit-we-never-imagined" look… and they certainly got a >>new-found respect for their fathers musical *advice*. >>Somewhere there is a recording from that night… and on it is a >>rendition of "goin’ down" that people STILL talk about. I’d heard the >>tune on an old tape of mine that afternoon (West,Bruce, and Lang???) and >>called it that night. Everyone went "WOW..! ! YEH..! ! Haven’t played >>that in 30 yrs..! ! " >>Everyone ‘knew’ the tune, and we *winged* an arrangement on the spot… >>sometimes luck, the vibe, ones chops, the planets, all line up and ya >>can’t play a wrong note… right..??  :-) >>I did a one minute *intro* that started out nowhere NEAR the tune, and >>brought it right down into the ‘groove’… the drummer ‘heard it coming’ >>and did a killer lead-in that led the whole band right down the line into >>the tune. Over half the audience (lots of musicians) had either never >>heard the tune, or hadn’t heard it in years… >>Anyway… there are lots of guys out there who can REALLY play.. and >>sing.. and they are getting to where they ‘have more time’… >>I’m optomistic that the live music *scene* may find a resurgance over the >>next ten years… now if some of the clubs would try and be a bit clever >>and cater to *fans* and musicians it might start ’sooner rather than >>later’…. >>Recently on my stereo…  Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sprit, New >>Riders of the Purple Sage, Cold Blood, Tower of Power (What is Hip.??), >>Larry Carlton Live, The Crusaders Live (with Carlton), Jimmy Thackery and >>the Drivers…

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Great story! I may have recounted this story before… Playing in a bar as a sub for the local band Rhythm Pigs, which at that time featured one of the founding members of Molly Hatchet. They had a better paying gig a couple of hours away and somehow we got to sub for them at this biker-type bar. I’d never met them and they had never heard us play, but the other guitarist befriended them and thus we got to sub. Half way through the gig in come these guys with long hair; biker types. They pull up at a table a few feet away from us. They seemed a little too interested in us; like they had come in just to see us. We launched into our rendition of Whiskey Man with me playing lead. Only later did I find out that the Pigs’ gig was cancelled and they came in to see what we made of and just who they had let sub for them. Seated not 5 feet from me was  Dave Hlubek, who wrote Whiskey Man and played guitar on it. I’m glad I didn’t know it at the time! >Just curious, what part of the country (no pun there) are you in..?? >As in "trouble finding players"…

SE Virginia… I can find players, but not without playing a lot of Jimmy Buffet, Brown-eyed Girl, etc. Nobody my age seems interested in playing Budgie, Hatchet, etc *or* so I thought this AM. Later this AM, I visited a local site and lo and behold, there was a 4 piece band looking for a lead guitarist to  play southern rock and classic rock with folks I knoew. I’ve since found that they have found the lead player they were looking for. Greg

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Great story! > I may have recounted this story before… > Playing in a bar as a sub for the local band Rhythm Pigs, which at that > time featured one of the founding members of Molly Hatchet. They had a > better paying gig a couple of hours away and somehow we got to sub for > them at this biker-type bar. I’d never met them and they had never > heard us play, but the other guitarist befriended them and thus we got > to sub. > Half way through the gig in come these guys with long hair; biker > types. They pull up at a table a few feet away from us. They seemed a > little too interested in us; like they had come in just to see us. > We launched into our rendition of Whiskey Man with me playing lead. > Only later did I find out that the Pigs’ gig was cancelled and they > came in to see what we made of and just who they had let sub for them. > Seated not 5 feet from me was  Dave Hlubek, who wrote Whiskey Man and > played guitar on it. > I’m glad I didn’t know it at the time!

Damn..! ! ! !   That’s scary..! ! !   Great story..! ! ! Something similar happened to a friend of mine, fortunately, he didn’t play any of the guys songs though…  Justin Hayward sat down in front of him and after the set invited him to join him for some beers. Stayed the whole show. >Just curious, what part of the country (no pun there) are you in..?? >As in "trouble finding players"… > SE Virginia… I can find players, but not without playing a lot of > Jimmy Buffet, Brown-eyed Girl, etc.

Yeh…  sadly, there are a lot of bands/players *stuck* in those top 40 ‘oldies’ and ‘classic rock’ soft-rock tunes…   Even MORE sadly, I *like* those songs, but they’ve been PLAYED TO DEATH and are ‘ruined’, so to speak. One band I know (and used to sit in with all the time) plays classic rock, but lots of stuff nobody else plays, and for comic relief they’ll throw in "Up Against the Wall You Red Neck Mother" or "Don’t Rock The Jukebox"… no need to do ‘Brown Eyed Girl’ anymore. Better still… there are plenty of OTHER Van Morrison tunes to play… > Nobody my age seems interested in playing Budgie, Hatchet, etc *or* so > I thought this AM. Later this AM, I visited a local site and lo and > behold, there was a 4 piece band looking for a lead guitarist to  play > southern rock and classic rock with folks I knoew. I’ve since found > that they have found the lead player they were looking for.

Dang.. ! !  Stay in touch with them… maybe they’ll let you ’sit in’ and someone will hear you and ask you to join them… etc..etc… or, sometimes a player ‘won’t work out’ after a few months… ya never know. Good luck..! ! ! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Greg

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> Nope. > But, I AM from that *era*…  :-) > How many remember "The Santana Blues Band"..???

I did grow up in the Bay Area and I remember The Santana Blues Band. Montrose played at MY High School, and I was at Winterland for their first show playing for Bill Graham. I remember the Marc Ford Blues Band featuring Robben Ford. I remember Fritz featuring Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks. I remember the GolliWogs featuring John Fogerty. I remember KSJO’s anniversary party at Winterland featuring Sammy’s All-Stars that was a mass jam of Montrose. Journey, Steve Miller Band, and Santana! What a night that was..;0)

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> On the CD Changer > Johnny Winter-And, Spirit-The Family that Plays Together, Free-Walkin my > Shadow, Andrew Gold – All This and Heaven Too, Bonnie Raitt – Road Tested

Wow early Spirit! Fresh Garbage was too cool. I met Andrew Gold at Norm’s Rare Guitars in LA a few months ago. Boy has he gained weight! I remember Peter Frampton when he was ROCKIN’ and playing the Bay Area every 3 months or so, including being at Winterland when Frampton Alive was recorded. What a time that was!

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dontcha miss those days?  I know i sure do.  I would dearly love to be able to take my daughter (13 yr old budding classic music freak) to see some of this stuff.  I got tired of her thinking Christina Aguilera was god, and so introduced her to Aretha, Gladys Knight Patti Labelle and motown generally. Took her to see Kiss and Alice Cooper just so she would know what A big arena rock show is supposed to look like. Don’t you wish you could bottle up your experiences of this nature and pass ‘em on? Ps: i used to bring her to band practices when she was young and so she thinks having people like us (musicians) everywhere is nomal….  poor kid…LOL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I remember Peter Frampton when he was ROCKIN’ and playing the Bay Area every > 3 months or so, including being at Winterland when Frampton Alive was > recorded. What a time that was!

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I passed on a guitar from Andrew a while back. Regret it now. Most versitile musician I ever heard. Got to see the original Spirit lineup once and two California/Cassidy incarnations. We all know the legends surrounding Randy and Jimi. I would have killd for his tone on that album. Last concert I saw at Winterland (yes, I was a local) was Abert or Freddie (I can’t remember) King, then Lee Michaels, with the Allman Brothers headlining. People who remember Frampton forget when he played with balls. I think he was tech advisor on the movie "Almost Famous" Ahh, back in the day.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On the CD Changer > Johnny Winter-And, Spirit-The Family that Plays Together, Free-Walkin my > Shadow, Andrew Gold – All This and Heaven Too, Bonnie Raitt – Road Tested > Wow early Spirit! Fresh Garbage was too cool. > I met Andrew Gold at Norm’s Rare Guitars in LA a few months ago. Boy has > he gained weight! > I remember Peter Frampton when he was ROCKIN’ and playing the Bay Area > every 3 months or so, including being at Winterland when Frampton Alive > was recorded. What a time that was!

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> People who remember Frampton forget when he played with balls.

I remember seeing Frampton open for John Mayall at the Santa Clara County Fairgrounds, and Peter ROCKED the house! When Mayall came on, most everyone left…

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Yeah….. right. Hold your hand over the guitar neck.  Every note there is, is right under your hand.  That’s pretty much all you really need to know if you can tune your guitar. It’s not a "secret", and you don’t learn it step by step, and I told you for free.  This is a limited time offer though, so act now!!![1] No C.O.D. Pete [1] – If you call now, we’ll even tell you how to put calluses on your fingertips by actually *playing* your guitar instead of looking at it! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Who Else Wants To Discover The Astonishing, Step-By-Step Secrets Of How >To Play Guitar Like Jimi Hendrix, Green day, Ozzy Osbourne, Foo >Fighters, Weezer, Seether, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Nirvana, Simple >Plan, Bob Marley, Jack Johnson, oldplay, Staind, Offspring, Eddie Van >Halen, Blink182, … and so on? If you answered "Yes," Then visit us to >listen to a very special audio message. >http://www.ushomebasedbusiness.com/indexg.php >You are about to discover amazing methods to learning how to play >virtually any guitar song you hear. Whether you want to start a band, >perform at clubs, write your own original songs, or just become a great >guitarist. No matter what level you are at now (beginner, intermediate >or advanced), then you have come to the right place. This information >will work for you. We think you’ll even impress yourself! >http://www.ushomebasedbusiness.com/indexg.php >There are probably hundreds of songs that you want to learn to play on >guitar, and you’re probably using ineffective methods of learning how >to play them without even knowing it! >That’s why I’ve created this Web page. I wrote Jamorama because I was >fed up with the quality of the guitar playing books on the market. >It doesn’t matter what level you are at now (beginner, intermediate, or >advanced), Jamorama is packed full of quality step-by-step lessons, >sound files, games and other resources to get YOU results fast! >Learning how to play guitar is like learning how to speak a language. >The more you listen to, imitate and play along with professionals, the >better you’ll get. That partly explains how I developed Jamorama – the >Ultimate Guitar Learning Kit. >Originally I spent over a year creating three books (Jamorama Beginner, >Intermediate and Advanced) which contained step-by-step lessons, >including numerous sound files. These took people on a journey from >beginner to advanced by fast-tracking their guitar playing skill, while >covering every aspect involved in learning to play guitar. >http://www.ushomebasedbusiness.com/indexg.php

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Nice one. I loved the LC15R I had (once I’d switched the speaker). It always sounded great through a 2×12 so I imagine the LC30 sounds pretty cool. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Just a big thanks for all the advice, the original post >is at the bottom of this text. >I never tried the Fender blues junior or the laney LC15R >it was difficult to find a music shop with one in stock, however >I did try the laney LC30 II and was blown away with it. I can >understand why a lot of you prefer tubes to SS – or perhaps >it was me comparing it to the valvetronix AD15VT either way >I thought it was the bees knees even at low volumes. I asked >the assistant to set it up for me and he showed me the system >with no special effects or boxes attached, followed by an effects >box attached (not sure of model), again it was really nice. >I was within a cats whisker of buying the lot, the heart was saying >of course it’ll fit in the bedroom and the brain was saying it’s a bit big. >So the brain won (for now) I’ll just have to revise the budget. >Thanks John >(original post 17/1/05) >Hi all, I’m looking to buy an amp for home use >(I can never see me using it anywhere else) and >after being totally confused by the myriad >of brands and what they do hope someone can >give me a few pointers. The guitar is American >series strat. I like all types of music Rock/blues/ >some metal/folk but not jazz. >I thought about the valvetronix AD15VT. Would >this be suitable. Willing to extend budget for the >30 model but not sure why I should. >Any help appreciated. >John

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In Denmark > I saw the message at the bottom of the TV screen on CNN this morning and > yelled ALL RIGHT!!! It’s in June if memory serves me right. > With Ozzy! > YFISABBATH2005 > G:) > The original lineup of BLACK SABBATH has confirmed their appearance at the > 2005 edition of the Roskilde Festival, set to take place June 30-July 3 in > Roskilde, Denmark. Also scheduled to perform at the festival are > AUDIOSLAVE and GREEN DAY, among others.

I like the new song Green Day has out..just cannot think of the name of it right now..lol Should be a great show. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In Denmark > I saw the message at the bottom of the TV screen on CNN this morning and > yelled ALL RIGHT!!! It’s in June if memory serves me right. > With Ozzy! > YFISABBATH2005 > G:) > The original lineup of BLACK SABBATH has confirmed their appearance at the > 2005 edition of the Roskilde Festival, set to take place June 30-July 3 in > Roskilde, Denmark. Also scheduled to perform at the festival are AUDIOSLAVE > and GREEN DAY, among others.

Just like I said TROLL oZZy is using this disaster for their FREE promo for that SHIT-FEST

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> In Denmark > I saw the message at the bottom of the TV screen on CNN this morning and > yelled ALL RIGHT!!! It’s in June if memory serves me right. > With Ozzy! > YFISABBATH2005 > G:)

The original lineup of BLACK SABBATH has confirmed their appearance at the 2005 edition of the Roskilde Festival, set to take place June 30-July 3 in Roskilde, Denmark. Also scheduled to perform at the festival are AUDIOSLAVE and GREEN DAY, among others.

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In Denmark I saw the message at the bottom of the TV screen on CNN this morning and yelled ALL RIGHT!!! It’s in June if memory serves me right. With Ozzy! YFISABBATH2005 G:)

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Your diddlings of vulgar copulation and sodomy are Indubitably too evident to be doubted, wouldn’t you say? It’s only a matter of time before the police issue another search warrant.

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> Your diddlings of vulgar copulation and sodomy are Indubitably too evident > to be doubted, wouldn’t you say? > It’s only a matter of time before the police issue another search warrant. > Georgie has NO LIFE AT ALL > Aside from reposting unoriginal shit and selling her ass for crack

yea Indubitably u fucking Stupid FAG ‘Tard

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Georgie has NO LIFE AT ALL Aside from reposting unoriginal shit and selling her ass for crack

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OZZY OSBOURNE-BLIZZARD OF OZZ PRESS RELEASE 1980 Heavy metal fans the world over waited with baited breath for news of their hero, Ozzy Osbourne, ever since his departure from Black Sabbath. On September 12, 1980, the long wait ended when Ozzy, with his new band, Blizzard of Ozz, commenced a massive UK tour. Any fears that Ozzy would not be able to equal the success he achieved with Sabbath were allayed with the opening of the tour in Glasgow. The press and fans alike were unanimous in their support of Ozzy. "The perennially popular Ozzy Osbourne is back more with a bang than a whimper. The king is back and this time his crown looks firmly lodged indeed." Dante Bonutto–Record "Not only is Ozzy Osbourne back in business, but he’s better than ever." Steve Brown–Musicians Only. "Sabs-like to be sure, but faster more furious and updated for the discerning 1980 cranium cracker." Geoff Barton-Sounds. Similarly the band’s debut album, Blizzard of Ozz, received rave reviews, going straight into the charts at Number 7. Steve Gett of Melody Maker wrote, "Their debut album is a killer. Oz has planned his latest onslaught with diligence." During the eleven years with Black Sabbath, Ozzy’s reputation as a wild man and hell raiser reached legendary proportions. But after eight studio albums and many world tours, Ozzy and Sabbath parted company when he realized that "we had come to a crossroads in musical direction." He azdmits that getting the right band together was not easy. "The worst thing was auditioning people. I’d never done it before; I mean, how do you tell a bloke he can’t play?" Initailly, Ozzy went to America to look for musicians. ("Britain was still into punk and I thought that I wouldn’t find the right musicians here.") After countless auditions, he got the feeling he was wrong, and then he found guitarist, Randy Rhoads. "I’d given up hope of finding anyone when someone suggested Randy to me. He’s from L.A. and played with a band called Quiet Riot. He was a guitar teacher at a local college when I asked him to join the band." Randy is already being hailed as the newest guitar hero, receiving comments such as, "In guitarist Randy Rhoads, Ozzy has struck gold, and 24-carat at that…He is destined to become a real favorite with audiences." Ozzy returned to London and bumped into ex-Rainbow bassist, Bob Daisley, at a gig. Ironically, when he left Rainbow, after having been with them for eighteen months, Bob had planned to form a band with vocalist Ronnie Die, but for one reasoner another it never happened, and Dio later went on to replace Ozzy in Sabbath. Finding a drummer proved to be the most difficult job. Countless people were heard, some lasted a few days, but nobody was right. Ozzy explains: "I’d reached the point when I was going to give up looking and just use session drummers. Lee was going to be positively the last audition." As it turned out, Lee Kerslake proved to be perfect. Lee, of course, did not have to prove that he was a good drummer, he’d already done that with eight years with Uriah Heep and eleven albums. When he left Heep in ‘79 he formed his own band, Blind Ambition, which is still In existence. Ozzy Osbourne and Blizzard of Ozz now have to prove themselves in America where they will tour in early ‘81. Judging by the response they have already received on their home territory, they’ve got nothing to worry about. E/P/A Publicity. 1801 Century Park West. Los Angeles. CA 90087. (213) 556-4870 51 West 52nd Street. New York. NY 10019. (212) 975-4321

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>> Airport xrays can affect film (especially in your camera) and several > times I have had to get new ATM cards because the damm machines in > Frankfurt rendered my card unusable after I came back from a trip. > Is this true, folks…???

X-rays don’t affect ATM cards but inductive-loop metal detectors might.  I last went through Frankfurt a long time ago, but then they supplemented the whole-body loop with a handheld frisbee- sized one they would run over you if they got a bleep first time; this could well have produced a higher local field. Jack Campin:  11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/>   for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557

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My current credit cards have been x-rayed in U.S. airport security x-ray machines more than all of yours combined. I repair a specific brand of x-ray machines for a living and was a factory trained engineer for a competing brand. I use my briefcase (with my wallet in it) as a test object. X-rays don’t affect the mag stripes. LH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Airport xrays can affect film (especially in your camera) and several > times I have had to get new ATM cards because the damm machines in > Frankfurt rendered my card unusable after I came back from a trip. > Is this true, folks…??? > — > Best > Greg > Re: Oliver Stone: "The X-Ray Machine Ate My Movie" > x-no-archive: yes > i thought airport xrays didnt affect film? > or did they make this excuse, as original takes were so poor…?

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> the actual cause of magnetic media degradation: large magnets.  In a > poorly designed and/or old airport conveyor system, the motors could > have a sufficient magnetic field to induce undesired effects.  There are

I think I might’ve been a victim of this. Few times (twic or so, not many, but still seems like a lot to be a coincidence), after I’ve travelled with a hard drive in my carryon, it has had bad sectors in it. Obviously, they did not have them before. But this has never happened when I’ve put the hard drives in the checked luggage. I don’t know what caused thos bad sectors, but considering they were wrapped in anti-static bag and cushioned in the carryon, it seems unlikely that other factors could’ve caused it. — Mikko Peltoniemi Film & Video Editor, Avid Technician at large. http://www.discountcadavers.com

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Gregory Morrow says… > Airport xrays can affect film (especially in your camera) and several > times I have had to get new ATM cards because the damm machines in > Frankfurt rendered my card unusable after I came back from a trip. > Is this true, folks…???

I’ve often returned from a trip with all the credit bits wiped right off my cards.

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>> > Airport xrays can affect film (especially in your camera) and several > > times I have had to get new ATM cards because the damm machines > > in Frankfurt rendered my card unusable after I came back from a trip. > Is this true, folks…??? > I’ve often returned from a trip with all the credit bits wiped right off > my cards.

X-rays definitely can affect film.  However, x-rays cannot affect magnetic media like floppies, VHS tapes, and credit cards.  This was verified many years ago in government testing.  This urban myth will not die because of the actual cause of magnetic media degradation: large magnets.  In a poorly designed and/or old airport conveyor system, the motors could have a sufficient magnetic field to induce undesired effects.  There are also unusual sources of degradation like poorly designed access cards. Many years ago I worked at a facility where the security personnel would tell new access cardholders that placing the company access card next to a credit card would result in a wiped credit card. Some bozo is now going to try to impress us with his intelligence and tell us that all conveyor systems were designed so that the magnetic field of the motors does not extend beyond the physical boundaries of the motor housing.  This is only true of current designs.  Eastern European and other airports may have Soviet and/or old conveyor systems. Casey

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> Airport xrays can affect film (especially in your camera) and several > times I have had to get new ATM cards because the damm machines in > Frankfurt rendered my card unusable after I came back from a trip.

Is this true, folks…??? — Best Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Re: Oliver Stone: "The X-Ray Machine Ate My Movie" > x-no-archive: yes > i thought airport xrays didnt affect film? > or did they make this excuse, as original takes were so poor…?

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