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> A rock-n-roll legend yes, Metal maybe.
His newer stuff is metal, but not his older stuff. > I think he falls in the same category as Kiss, and we can debate wether or not thats metal till we’re both old and grey but it won’t change either of our opinions. > Sevendust is definetly metal. How can you call Cooper metal and say > Sevendust isn’t in the same paragraph. Have you lost all sence of reality?
I don’t like the 2 Sevendust songs I’ve heard, but I won’t deny they are metal… > Oh god… I knew this was gonna happen. Look its obvious you classify > Glam-Rock and Hair-Metal as Heavy Metal, and maybe even some hard-rock as well, but that is just wrong.
Well there’s no way to classify Ozzy as anything but metal. To do otherwise, as you put it, is just wrong… > I hate that. Why the fuck does older = slower?!? They have fallen into the same trap as Metallica, especially since they made the top ten.
But why do they have to play hyper fast to be considered metal? > Everyone says it cause its true.
True. The X Factor is boring as hell. > I haven’t heard Two yet.
Nor have I. > Did your dad write that. 
(just kidding) I wish we could have a comeback of the 80’s real metal sound too,
Yeah, same here. > but I’m not gonna ignore or stick my nose up at the bands that are out there now.
I like newer Metallica and Megadeth, Mercyful Fate is still cool, but a lot of the newer stuff just doesn’t interest me. Danny Shiflet "We plan ahead, that way we don’t have to do anything right now"- Valentine, Tremors
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> > No the only other example I gave was Life of Agony. > Okay, I haven’t heard a single song by them so I can’t comment.
I just saw them tonight as they opened up for Anthrax and I must say I was fairly impressed. > but I have to admit Limp Biskit puts on one hell of a show.
Wha…? They were the second worst band I’ve ever seen live. Glad my ticket was free that night. Glad Clutch was opening. Limp is a product of the worst degree. Satan Stole My Teddybear http://www.peakpeak.com/~krazykat/index3.htm Can I have a sip of your water?
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>> No the only other example I gave was Life of Agony. >Okay, I haven’t heard a single song by them so I can’t comment.
Check out the River Runs Red album it was their first and best. The other two are kinda soft. > but I have to admit Limp Biskit puts on one hell of a show. >I’m not willing to pay money to see a band I don’t care for generally…
Oh I wouldn’t pay to see a LB show either. I saw them at Ozzfest. > The only industrial band I’ve heard that I really like is Boiler. >Haven’t heard them either…
Good band. One rap song but I like it. The rest is kinda like Sevendust with and industrial tinge. > See I liked that, especially on Abducters. >Deep vocals are perfectly fine(except when they get so deep you have no >idea what they are singing…), just not what I want from Priest.
I understood it. > Thats when I’d start cutting class:) >Fortunately she didn’t leave it going(unfortunately before the day was >over she put on Brooks and Dunn. I’m still trying to talk her into >bringing her Sabbath CD’s up and play them for us…)
Does she have any?
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>That could be cause alice coopers a metal legend, always will be, he >makes great music.
A rock-n-roll legend yes, Metal maybe. I think he falls in the same category as Kiss, and we can debate wether or not thats metal till we’re both old and grey but it won’t change either of our opinions. >I’m not trashing coal chamber, i actully like them, but their are a >LOT of shit-metal bands out there now, that get classified as ‘metal’ >yet are nothing like it…and thats why their are ppl like you who >don’t seem to know what metal is
Sevendust is definetly metal. How can you call Cooper metal and say Sevendust isn’t in the same paragraph. Have you lost all sence of reality? > Now I realize Ozzy hasn’t made >a metal album since Randy died (with the possible exception of No Rest for >the Wicked) but I would still think there would be alot of metal fans here. >WTF are you talkign about?! EVERY ozzy cd has been metal! do you not >know what metal is?!
Oh god… I knew this was gonna happen. Look its obvious you classify Glam-Rock and Hair-Metal as Heavy Metal, and maybe even some hard-rock as well, but that is just wrong. >I’m sorry I just don’t get it. I mean bands like Sevendust, Coal Chamber, >Life of Agony are keeping metal alive. >I like coal chamber, they’re not my type of music exactly, but, i can >make the exception. I got to meet Dez at this years ozzfest, and he >was really a great guy. Signed my ticket stub and shook my hand, etc. >But i wouldn’t classify them as teh traditional metal band. As for >sevendust, i could live w/o out them, and they’re giving metal a band >name by being clasified as it. And LOA, since when are they metal?!?1 >They sound more like alternatrash to me.
Actually you may be right about LOA’s last album but if you listen to River Runs Red you’d see why I consider them metal. > Megadeth mellowed out, >They just calmed down, that happens when bands get older, and start to >evlolve, but they are still a kick ass band.
I hate that. Why the fuck does older = slower?!? They have fallen into the same trap as Metallica, especially since they made the top ten. > Maiden sucks now, >Why does everyone say that? i think they’re still great…i mean, >they’re older stuff if MUCH better then the newer maybe, but it all >kicks ass
Everyone says it cause its true. > the only original metal band left is Priest >and people trash their new album even though it’s the only flickering light >left from eighties metal bands. >well…the band just isn’t the same w/o rob. And his new band "Two" >isn’t that great, i mean, its not band, but nothing like old priest >was.
I haven’t heard Two yet. >I’ve been listening to Ozzy, sabbath, maiden, priest, GNR, the >scorpians, anthrax, metallic, etc. since before i can remember w/ my >dad. They’re true metal, this new wave of shit all sounds the same, >their is no melody, its jsut some guy up there screaming shit, and all >these ppl worship him for it….its time true metal takes a come back.
Did your dad write that. (just kidding) I wish we could have a comeback of the 80’s real metal sound too, but I’m not gonna ignore or stick my nose up at the bands that are out there now.
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> Where I am theres only one metal station and I have to travel 25 miles to hear it.
Yeah, I’m fortunate on this one. It plays all sorts of stuff, glam/hair metal, thrash, metal greats(Ozzy, Priest), new metal, alternimetal, etc. I don’t hear much death metal though… > No the only other example I gave was Life of Agony.
Okay, I haven’t heard a single song by them so I can’t comment. > I don’t really like LB, Korn, Rage Against the Machine, or any of those cookie cutter industrial bands either,
We’re in agreement here… > but I have to admit Limp Biskit puts on one hell of a show.
I’m not willing to pay money to see a band I don’t care for generally… > The only industrial band I’ve heard that I really like is Boiler.
Haven’t heard them either… > See I liked that, especially on Abducters.
Deep vocals are perfectly fine(except when they get so deep you have no idea what they are singing…), just not what I want from Priest. > I used to have an old Johnny Winters LP that I really got into. It was > before he went to rock and was just country, but other than that it’s hard on the ears.
Some of it is… > Thats when I’d start cutting class:)
Fortunately she didn’t leave it going(unfortunately before the day was over she put on Brooks and Dunn. I’m still trying to talk her into bringing her Sabbath CD’s up and play them for us…) Danny Shiflet "We plan ahead, that way we don’t have to do anything right now"- Valentine, Tremors
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>> Thats a pretty general statement. Don’t forget most of the metal people
loved in the late 80’s is generally hated today by most metal fans, >True, but I still hear them on the metal station side by side with Coal >Chamber and Sevendust.
Where I am theres only one metal station and I have to travel 25 miles to hear it. > I think your confusing them with death metal. Is this all about Coal > Chamber? I was talking about all of the newer metal bands. >The only examples I recall were Coal Chamber and and Sevendust(did you >mention Limp Bizkit? I hate them too)
No the only other example I gave was Life of Agony. I don’t really like LB, Korn, Rage Against the Machine, or any of those cookie cutter industrial bands either, but I have to admit Limp Biskit puts on one hell of a show. The only industrial band I’ve heard that I really like is Boiler. > Halford left 2 years before Jugulator, where were you? >Not listening to Judas Priest.
OK > And I wasn’t talking about the entire album I was just talking about the
song. Also I think Ripper showed just about as much range as Halford. >He sounded too deep voiced on several of the songs. Didn’t sound like >Priest.
See I liked that, especially on Abducters. > The only music I can’t stand is country, and disco. >Yeah, I forgot Disco. Though sometimes it’s kinda funny to hear…(I saw >this movie where everytime Fred Williamson came on screen they started >playing this disco theme, it was pretty hilarious)
HeHe > Fortunetly I have no problem avoiding country, >I like a lot of the older stuff, but pretty much hate most newer >country(which can sound like anything from country, to hard rock to, get >this, rap)
I used to have an old Johnny Winters LP that I really got into. It was before he went to rock and was just country, but other than that it’s hard on the ears. > and I’ve stopped going to weddings and sweet sixteen parties so I don’t
have to hear disco either. >Lord, the other day I came into my Bio 2 class and I swear, the teacher >had Jungle Boogie playing…
Thats when I’d start cutting class:)
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> Now I know your missing the point.
Just going by what I’ve heard. > Not really. In my opinion most of the really great music in all genres is limited by the radio stations.
A lot is, but a lot isn’t. > Thats a pretty general statement. Don’t forget most of the metal people loved in the late 80’s is generally hated today by most metal fans,
True, but I still hear them on the metal station side by side with Coal Chamber and Sevendust. > so pop isn’t the only genre thats guilty of that.
Yep. > No no no. I have not and will not call them "metal Greats". All I was > saying is that they are keeping the metal alive until the next big explosion of metal greats.
Okay, my mistake. > I think your confusing them with death metal. Is this all about Coal > Chamber? I was talking about all of the newer metal bands.
The only examples I recall were Coal Chamber and and Sevendust(did you mention Limp Bizkit? I hate them too) > Halford left 2 years before Jugulator, where were you?
Not listening to Judas Priest. > And I wasn’t talking about the entire album I was just talking about the song. Also I think Ripper showed just about as much range as Halford.
He sounded too deep voiced on several of the songs. Didn’t sound like Priest. > I love all of Ozzy’s stuff (with the possible exception of the Ultimate > Sin).
Yeah, US is kinda lame(it has a few good pointa though) > The only music I can’t stand is country, and disco.
Yeah, I forgot Disco. Though sometimes it’s kinda funny to hear…(I saw this movie where everytime Fred Williamson came on screen they started playing this disco theme, it was pretty hilarious) > Fortunetly I have no problem avoiding country,
I like a lot of the older stuff, but pretty much hate most newer country(which can sound like anything from country, to hard rock to, get this, rap) > and I’ve stopped going to weddings and sweet sixteen parties so I don’t have to hear disco either.
Lord, the other day I came into my Bio 2 class and I swear, the teacher had Jungle Boogie playing… Danny Shiflet "We plan ahead, that way we don’t have to do anything right now"- Valentine, Tremors
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Is Ozzmosis pop-rock? Is No More Tears rap? Hard-Rock, both of them. Isn’t Pantera, COC, Anthrax, Monster Magnet, so on, all metal? I know they are each dfferent styles of metal, but still all Metal! Type O may be Gothic and Entombed may be Death Metal, and Bio Hazard may be consiteed Rap Metal, but aren’t they all metal? I’m probally gonna get bitched out for some weird reason… No your not. Your right, but are you one of those people who have been trashing bands like Coal Chamber, Sevendust, or Life of Agony? Because Thats who I was reffering to. If you are I don’t understand how you could if your listening to Entombed and Bio-Hazard. (I’m not trashing them, I listen to Bio-Hazard too)
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>> I really think your missing the point. >From what I’ve heard they show emotion by yelling.
Now I know your missing the point. > so the radio tells you what music is? >Nope, but when even the radio limits it’s exposure you know there’s >gotta be something to it…
Not really. In my opinion most of the really great music in all genres is limited by the radio stations. > I heard Mama I’m coming home on a local pop-rock station a number of
times does that put Ozzy in the same catergory as Mariah Carey? >Nope, because pop rock can vary wildly, and what’s popular one day can >be hated the next.
Thats a pretty general statement. Don’t forget most of the metal people loved in the late 80’s is generally hated today by most metal fans, so pop isn’t the only genre thats guilty of that. > I hardly consider bands like Coal Chamber and Sevendust fast. >They aren’t slow either though. However, you were talking of them as >metal greats and I was simply pointing out that they aren’t.
No no no. I have not and will not call them "metal Greats". All I was saying is that they are keeping the metal alive until the next big explosion of metal greats. > I also didn’t say they had the skill of the greats, but to say they have
no talent is kinda ignorent. >Nope, I’ve tried Coal Chamber(have only heard 2 Sevendust songs, so no >comments on them) and I stand by my statement. Their definition of music >is playing really loud and screaming.
I think your confusing them with death metal. Is this all about Coal Chamber? I was talking about all of the newer metal bands. > Yeah alot of people say that. When I first heard Jugulator (the song) I
thought it was Halford, but something was a little different. I wasn’t >suprised when I found out it wasn’t because of the slight difference, >but damn its pretty close. >Did we hear the same album? When I first heard Jugulator(before I knew >Halford had left) I checked the CD to make sure I got the right one. I >thought he sounded nothing like Halford. It wasn’t that I hated the >vocals, but it was *not* what I wanted when I’m listening to Priest.
Halford left 2 years before Jugulator, where were you? And I wasn’t talking about the entire album I was just talking about the song. Also I think Ripper showed just about as much range as Halford. > Now thats ridiculous. Just because I link Ozzy to a certain attitude > doesn’t mean I don’t listen to the music for the musics sake. >That is what it seemed you were implying, that you don’t like his other >stuff cause it doesn’t have "attitude"
I love all of Ozzy’s stuff (with the possible exception of the Ultimate Sin). > If that were true I’d throw out Ozzmosis right now. I think I’ve given
the impression that I’m some kinda wacked out metal head and I’m not. >Yep, that’s sorta the impression I’ve been getting…;-)
LOL > I listen to all types of musc. Classical, Raggae, Blues, Classic
Southern 50’s and Hard-Rock, some punk, and even some Techno, and rap, ie. PE, and NWA. >I listen to classic rock, some country(older stuff, Johnny Cash, etc), >metal, and southern rock, but thrash, techno, and rap I avoid like >plague(unfortunately a lot of my friends, including my ride home from >school like rap:-( Hmm, what category does Tom Petty fall under?
The only music I can’t stand is country, and disco. Fortunetly I have no problem avoiding country, and I’ve stopped going to weddings and sweet sixteen parties so I don’t have to hear disco either.
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> I know a ton of people that would say its not metal, in fact I bet if we cross posted to alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy noone would say it was metal. (I think I will just to see)
Please do. > I really think your missing the point.
From what I’ve heard they show emotion by yelling. > so the radio tells you what music is?
Nope, but when even the radio limits it’s exposure you know there’s gotta be something to it… > I heard Mama I’m coming home on a local pop-rock station a number of times does that put Ozzy in the same catergory as Mariah Carey?
Nope, because pop rock can vary wildly, and what’s popular one day can be hated the next. > Turn up your hearing aide. And turn the treble down a little on your stereo.
I’m not hard of hearing, and the treble is fine. Coal Chamber is noise, plain and simple. > I hardly consider bands like Coal Chamber and Sevendust fast.
They aren’t slow either though. However, you were talking of them as metal greats and I was simply pointing out that they aren’t. > I also didn’t say they had the skill of the greats, but to say they have no talent is kinda ignorent.
Nope, I’ve tried Coal Chamber(have only heard 2 Sevendust songs, so no comments on them) and I stand by my statement. Their definition of music is playing really loud and screaming. > Yeah alot of people say that. When I first heard Jugulator (the song) I thought it was Halford, but something was a little different. I wasn’t
suprised when I found out it wasn’t because of the slight difference, but damn its pretty close. Did we hear the same album? When I first heard Jugulator(before I knew Halford had left) I checked the CD to make sure I got the right one. I thought he sounded nothing like Halford. It wasn’t that I hated the vocals, but it was *not* what I wanted when I’m listening to Priest. > Now thats ridiculous. Just because I link Ozzy to a certain attitude > doesn’t mean I don’t listen to the music for the musics sake.
That is what it seemed you were implying, that you don’t like his other stuff cause it doesn’t have "attitude" > If that were true I’d throw out Ozzmosis right now. I think I’ve given the impression that I’m some kinda wacked out metal head and I’m not.
Yep, that’s sorta the impression I’ve been getting…;-) > I listen to all types of musc. Classical, Raggae, Blues, Classic Southern 50’s and Hard-Rock, some punk, and even some Techno, and rap, ie. PE, and NWA.
I listen to classic rock, some country(older stuff, Johnny Cash, etc), metal, and southern rock, but thrash, techno, and rap I avoid like plague(unfortunately a lot of my friends, including my ride home from school like rap:-( Hmm, what category does Tom Petty fall under? Danny Shiflet "We plan ahead, that way we don’t have to do anything right now"- Valentine, Tremors
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hahah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’ve been reading and occasionally participating in this group for a couple >of months now, and I’m constantly seeing posts tearing apart bands like Coal >Chamber and praising acts like Alice Cooper. Now I realize Ozzy hasn’t made >a metal album since Randy died (with the possible exception of No Rest for >the Wicked) but I would still think there would be alot of metal fans here. >I’m sorry I just don’t get it. I mean bands like Sevendust, Coal Chamber, >Life of Agony are keeping metal alive. Megadeth mellowed out, Metallica went >alternative, Maiden sucks now, the only original metal band left is Priest >and people trash their new album even though it’s the only flickering light >left from eighties metal bands. I rank Ozzy as metals reigning king and yet >it seems I’m the only one here who still links him with metal in any way. >Maybe alot of you are real young and only relate to the new Oz, but your all >sounding the way my parents talked about Ozzy back in the 80’s.
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>> Ozzy’s other stuff (post Diary) falls in the Pop-Rock to Hard-Rock
category, and rarely touches the Metal edge. >The "metal edge?!?" So there’s an official line now is there that if >it’s not nearly incoherently heavy it’s hard rock?!? It’s most certainly >metal, and I don’t know a single person other than you who would argue >that. I know people who love hard rock, but hate metal, and hate Ozzy.
I know a ton of people that would say its not metal, in fact I bet if we cross posted to alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy noone would say it was metal. (I think I will just to see) > Now thats an absurd statement, and completely unfair to those bands that
obviously put alot of emotion into their music. >Yeah, because they yell a lot they put lots of emotion into their music.
I really think your missing the point. > Hard Rock not Metal. >No freakin way dude, you will *never* hear Megadeth on a non-metal >station. They are most cetainly metal, just not thrash metal.
so the radio tells you what music is? I heard Mama I’m coming home on a local pop-rock station a number of times does that put Ozzy in the same catergory as Mariah Carey? > This is the kind of statements I’m talking about, trashing a band just > because you can’t hear what there doing. >I’ve heard what they do and it is make noise. There was *no* melody whan >I listened, just noise.
Turn up your hearing aide. And turn the treble down a little on your stereo. > The melodies are there. There just done harder, louder, and with more
integrity.(From the gut) >They say make lots of loud noise and yell so it’s melody from the gut? I >disagree, I say it’s because they don’t have the skill of other bands >that can play fast and heavy but sound melodic(ie Ozzy, Priest, Maiden, >etc)
I hardly consider bands like Coal Chamber and Sevendust fast. I also didn’t say they had the skill of the greats, but to say they have no talent is kinda ignorent. > Why don’t you like the new album? >Didn’t really care for the vocalist actually.
Yeah alot of people say that. When I first heard Jugulator (the song) I thought it was Halford, but something was a little different. I wasn’t suprised when I found out it wasn’t because of the slight difference, but damn its pretty close. > No I link him to the attitude not really the music. Metal to me has
always been about attitude. >I listen to music for music. You want to listen to attitude listen to >punk or (heaven forbid) rap.
Now thats ridiculous. Just because I link Ozzy to a certain attitude doesn’t mean I don’t listen to the music for the musics sake. If that were true I’d throw out Ozzmosis right now. I think I’ve given the impression that I’m some kinda wacked out metal head and I’m not. I listen to all types of musc. Classical, Raggae, Blues, Classic Southern 50’s and Hard-Rock, some punk, and even some Techno, and rap, ie. PE, and NWA.
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>I’ve been reading and occasionally participating in this group for a couple >of months now, and I’m constantly seeing posts tearing apart bands like Coal >Chamber and praising acts like Alice Cooper.
That could be cause alice coopers a metal legend, always will be, he makes great music. btw anyone see the ‘fist full of alice’ special on VH1? it was on thrusday night, and kicked ass. During it, sammy hagar, slash, and rob zombie played w/ alice. I’m not trashing coal chamber, i actully like them, but their are a LOT of shit-metal bands out there now, that get classified as ‘metal’ yet are nothing like it…and thats why their are ppl like you who don’t seem to know what metal is > Now I realize Ozzy hasn’t made >a metal album since Randy died (with the possible exception of No Rest for >the Wicked) but I would still think there would be alot of metal fans here.
WTF are you talkign about?! EVERY ozzy cd has been metal! do you not know what metal is?! >I’m sorry I just don’t get it. I mean bands like Sevendust, Coal Chamber, >Life of Agony are keeping metal alive.
I like coal chamber, they’re not my type of music exactly, but, i can make the exception. I got to meet Dez at this years ozzfest, and he was really a great guy. Signed my ticket stub and shook my hand, etc. But i wouldn’t classify them as teh traditional metal band. As for sevendust, i could live w/o out them, and they’re giving metal a band name by being clasified as it. And LOA, since when are they metal?!?1 They sound more like alternatrash to me. > Megadeth mellowed out,
They just calmed down, that happens when bands get older, and start to evlolve, but they are still a kick ass band. >Metallica went alternative,
Well…i agree with that i guess… > Maiden sucks now,
Why does everyone say that? i think they’re still great…i mean, they’re older stuff if MUCH better then the newer maybe, but it all kicks ass > the only original metal band left is Priest >and people trash their new album even though it’s the only flickering light >left from eighties metal bands.
well…the band just isn’t the same w/o rob. And his new band "Two" isn’t that great, i mean, its not band, but nothing like old priest was. I’ve been listening to Ozzy, sabbath, maiden, priest, GNR, the scorpians, anthrax, metallic, etc. since before i can remember w/ my dad. They’re true metal, this new wave of shit all sounds the same, their is no melody, its jsut some guy up there screaming shit, and all these ppl worship him for it….its time true metal takes a come back. -Brac Look down on me, you will see a fool Look up at me, you will see your lord Look straight at me, you will see yourself
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>Is Ozzmosis pop-rock? Is No More Tears rap?
hehehe >Isn’t Pantera, COC, Anthrax, Monster Magnet, so on, all metal? I know >they are each dfferent styles of metal, but still all Metal! Type O may >be Gothic and Entombed may be Death Metal, and Bio Hazard may be >consiteed Rap Metal, but aren’t they all metal? I’m probally gonna get >bitched out for some weird reason…
Thats all absoultly true. Although i wouldn’t consider all of type o’s stuff Gothic…well, i guess most could be…but as for they’re earlier stuff..like the ‘Slow, Deep, and Hard’ cd, which sounds a lot like petes work w/ carnivore, or the ‘Origin of the Feces’ cd (or would that be an LP? bleh) which btw has an awesome over of paranoid, atleast i think it does, though a lot ppl have told me they think mr steele ruined the song by slowing it down so much and giving it a "morbid" feel, but i love it, think he gave a sorta new life to it, its nice to hear it played a bit differntly. But anways, i guess this doesn’t have anything to do with the point your trying to make i guess they’re deffently ‘goth-metal’ or maybe ‘gothadellic’ haha, i like that! -Brac Look down on me, you will see a fool Look up at me, you will see your lord Look straight at me, you will see yourself
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Actually, there are still plenty of metal bands from the 80’s that are still around today in the 90’s. Just one problem, they aren’t as big as they were. Hell, even bands like Whitesnake, Quiet Riot, Warrant, Sabastian Bach, Ratt, etc., are still a band, where many people thought they broke up years ago. They just play in clubs and aren’t 1/4th as popular as they were. Bands like Motorhead (who just released a spectacular album, "Snake Bite Love", with a catchy song called "Love for Sale"), Deep Purple, Dio, Iron Maiden (sucks now),Judas Priest (nothing like they were at all), etc, etc, etc. I’d say that 3/4ths of the metal bands from 70’s and 80’s are still aroudn today but not half as popular as they were, which is a shame. -Brian
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> That is a matter of opinion. One in which I completely disagree.
I kinda expected that… > Ozzy’s other stuff falls in the Pop-Rock to Hard-Rock category, and rarely touches the Metal edge.
The "metal edge?!?" So there’s an official line now is there that if it’s not nearly incoherently heavy it’s hard rock?!? It’s most certainly metal, and I don’t know a single person other than you who would argue that. I know people who love hard rock, but hate metal, and hate Ozzy. > Alice Cooper? HAHAHA:)
Yes, talented bands. > Now thats an absurd statement, and completely unfair to those bands that obviously put alot of emotion into their music.
Yeah, because they yell a lot they put lots of emotion into their music. > Hard Rock not Metal.
No freakin way dude, you will *never* hear Megadeth on a non-metal station. They are most cetainly metal, just not thrash metal. > This is the kind of statements I’m talking about, trashing a band just > because you can’t hear what there doing.
I’ve heard what they do and it is make noise. There was *no* melody whan I listened, just noise. > The melodies are there. There just done harder, louder, and with more integrity.(From the gut)
They say make lots of loud noise and yell so it’s melody from the gut? I disagree, I say it’s because they don’t have the skill of other bands that can play fast and heavy but sound melodic(ie Ozzy, Priest, Maiden, etc) > Why don’t you like the new album?
Didn’t really care for the vocalist actually. > No I link him to the attitude not really the music. Metal to me has always been about attitude.
I listen to music for music. You want to listen to attitude listen to punk or (heaven forbid) rap. > That’s just false.
I disagree. > I respect your opinion, but I stand by mine.
I stand by mine as well. Danny Shiflet "We plan ahead, that way we don’t have to do anything right now"- Valentine, Tremors
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>>Maybe alot of you are real young and only relate to the new Oz, but your all >sounding the way my parents talked about Ozzy back in the 80’s. >Who is? What are you referring to?
Not you Katie. I haven’t seen you trashing anyone or anything. I’m refering to the people here who take every oportunity to trash the newer metal bands, most of them have never heard any of there music, or at least haven’t taking the time to try and listen and understand what its all about.
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>Because Cooper’s band play’s music, Coal Chamber plays noise.
That is a matter of opinion. One in which I completely disagree. Metal does >not necessarily equal noise.
Absolutely > Now I realize Ozzy hasn’t made a metal album since Randy died (with the
possible exception of No Rest for the Wicked) >Umm, if you think his other stuff isn’t metal I gotta say you’re a bit >on the warped side. It’s certainly not country, of course it’s metal, >what the hell else would you call it? That’s gotta be one of the most >absurd statements I’ve read on this group lately.
Ozzy’s other stuff falls in the Pop-Rock to Hard-Rock category, and rarely touches the Metal edge. > but I would still think there would be alot of metal fans here. >There are, they just prefer bands with musical talent.
Alice Cooper? HAHAHA:) > I’m sorry I just don’t get it. I mean bands like Sevendust, Coal Chamber, > Life of Agony are keeping metal alive. >No, they are keeping crap metal, noise metal, alive(at least Coal >Chamber.) They equate noise with metal, and throw talent out the >window.
Now thats an absurd statement, and completely unfair to those bands that obviously put alot of emotion into their music. > Megadeth mellowed out, >Yes, so instead of being a thrash band they are a metal band, what’s >your point?
Hard Rock not Metal. > Metallica went alternative, >Around here Metallica *only* get’s played on metal stations, the >alternicrap stations have nothing to do with them. Like Megadeth they >went from a thrash(horrid musical style) band to a regular metal band. >No offense, but it seems you think metal can’t have melody(other than >Ozzy’s stuff.)
This is the kind of statements I’m talking about, trashing a band just because you can’t hear what there doing. The melodies are there. There just done harder, louder, and with more integrity.(From the gut) > the only original metal band left is Priest and people trash their new
album even though it’s the only flickering light left from eighties metal bands. >Well their new album sucks. They aren’t the same without Halford. >Mercyful Fate is still around, have you listened to any of their stuff?
Why don’t you like the new album? And no I haven’t had the chance to listen to any of MF’s newer stuff but I will. > I rank Ozzy as metals reigning king and yet it seems I’m the only one
here who still links him with metal in any way. >Nah, it seems you like linking him with no talent bands who think >because they can make lots of noise they are metal bands. I like melody >with my music.
No I link him to the attitude not really the music. Metal to me has always been about attitude. > Maybe alot of you are real young and only relate to the new Oz, >Everything he’s done is metal, and you’d have to be deluded to classify >it otherwise. I like almost every album he’s done, because he has >*melody,* he makes *music,* not noise. Even his worst album is better >than most other people’s…
That’s just false. > but your all sounding the way my parents talked about Ozzy back in the 80’s. >Huh? Cause we like bands that can do more than make noise? Yeah, I guess >I gotta admit, my parents prefer music as well. >I wouldn’t normally criticise someone’s opinion on a band, even if I >personally consider the band crap. However, when you make statements >like most Ozzy isn’t metal, yet these no talent hacks are, and that >these buffoons are what defines metal I just gotta say something.
I respect your opinion, but I stand by mine.
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I think we can’t just stick to one subject the WHOLE time. We al talk about ozzy more than any of those bands. What are you trying to do? Stereotype us into not being ozzy fans?
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Is Ozzmosis pop-rock? Is No More Tears rap? Isn’t Pantera, COC, Anthrax, Monster Magnet, so on, all metal? I know they are each dfferent styles of metal, but still all Metal! Type O may be Gothic and Entombed may be Death Metal, and Bio Hazard may be consiteed Rap Metal, but aren’t they all metal? I’m probally gonna get bitched out for some weird reason…
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> Is Ozzmosis pop-rock? Is No More Tears rap? > Isn’t Pantera, COC, Anthrax, Monster Magnet, so on, all metal? I know > they are each dfferent styles of metal, but still all Metal! Type O may > be Gothic and Entombed may be Death Metal, and Bio Hazard may be > consiteed Rap Metal, but aren’t they all metal? I’m probally gonna get > bitched out for some weird reason…
Absolutely. Danny Shiflet "We plan ahead, that way we don’t have to do anything right now"- Valentine, Tremors
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>I think we can’t just stick to one subject the WHOLE time. We al talk about >ozzy more than any of those bands. What are you trying to do? Stereotype us >into not being ozzy fans?
Absolutelt not. I was just noticing the change in the type of fan Ozzy is attracting nowadays.(that sentence didn’t come out right I don’t mean it to offend anyone) In the early years there was an attitude of rebellion and hardness to most of Ozzy’s fans, anti-hippie if you will. Now the music that expresses that attitude is being ridiculed by alot of the fans. I’m just trying to figure it out.
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>Maybe alot of you are real young and only relate to the new Oz, but your all >sounding the way my parents talked about Ozzy back in the 80’s.
Who is? What are you referring to? ~Katie
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> I’ve been reading and occasionally participating in this group for a couple > of months now, and I’m constantly seeing posts tearing apart bands like Coal > Chamber and praising acts like Alice Cooper.
Because Cooper’s band play’s music, Coal Chamber plays noise. Metal does not necessarily equal noise. > Now I realize Ozzy hasn’t made a metal album since Randy died (with the possible exception of No Rest for the Wicked)
Umm, if you think his other stuff isn’t metal I gotta say you’re a bit on the warped side. It’s certainly not country, of course it’s metal, what the hell else would you call it? That’s gotta be one of the most absurd statements I’ve read on this group lately. > but I would still think there would be alot of metal fans here.
There are, they just prefer bands with musical talent. > I’m sorry I just don’t get it. I mean bands like Sevendust, Coal Chamber, > Life of Agony are keeping metal alive.
No, they are keeping crap metal, noise metal, alive(at least Coal Chamber.) They equate noise with metal, and throw talent out the window. > Megadeth mellowed out,
Yes, so instead of being a thrash band they are a metal band, what’s your point? > Metallica went alternative,
Around here Metallica *only* get’s played on metal stations, the alternicrap stations have nothing to do with them. Like Megadeth they went from a thrash(horrid musical style) band to a regular metal band. No offense, but it seems you think metal can’t have melody(other than Ozzy’s stuff.) > Maiden sucks now,
Too true. > the only original metal band left is Priest and people trash their new album even though it’s the only flickering light left from eighties metal bands.
Well their new album sucks. They aren’t the same without Halford. Mercyful Fate is still around, have you listened to any of their stuff? > I rank Ozzy as metals reigning king and yet it seems I’m the only one here who still links him with metal in any way.
Nah, it seems you like linking him with no talent bands who think because they can make lots of noise they are metal bands. I like melody with my music. > Maybe alot of you are real young and only relate to the new Oz,
Everything he’s done is metal, and you’d have to be deluded to classify it otherwise. I like almost every album he’s done, because he has *melody,* he makes *music,* not noise. Even his worst album is better than most other people’s… > but your all sounding the way my parents talked about Ozzy back in the 80’s.
Huh? Cause we like bands that can do more than make noise? Yeah, I guess I gotta admit, my parents prefer music as well. I wouldn’t normally criticise someone’s opinion on a band, even if I personally consider the band crap. However, when you make statements like most Ozzy isn’t metal, yet these no talent hacks are, and that these buffoons are what defines metal I just gotta say something. Danny Shiflet "We plan ahead, that way we don’t have to do anything right now"- Valentine, Tremors
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I’ve been reading and occasionally participating in this group for a couple of months now, and I’m constantly seeing posts tearing apart bands like Coal Chamber and praising acts like Alice Cooper. Now I realize Ozzy hasn’t made a metal album since Randy died (with the possible exception of No Rest for the Wicked) but I would still think there would be alot of metal fans here. I’m sorry I just don’t get it. I mean bands like Sevendust, Coal Chamber, Life of Agony are keeping metal alive. Megadeth mellowed out, Metallica went alternative, Maiden sucks now, the only original metal band left is Priest and people trash their new album even though it’s the only flickering light left from eighties metal bands. I rank Ozzy as metals reigning king and yet it seems I’m the only one here who still links him with metal in any way. Maybe alot of you are real young and only relate to the new Oz, but your all sounding the way my parents talked about Ozzy back in the 80’s.