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I had another session on Sunday. I put up pictures on my IAM page and also on my home web page: http://cosmo.pasadena.ca.us/stan/tattoos/dragon/ And yes, tattoos do still hurt, but the Bactine Trick works wonders. There were parts of the session where I was telling Shannon, "I can feel the vibrations so I know you’re on top of a rib, but it doesn’t hurt". It was the most amazing thing. But even with that help, 2.5 hours was enough for one day. — Stan Schwarz | Extreme sports…offer "some kind of physical http://cosmo.pasadena.ca.us | analog to the thrill of installing Linux or | other open-source operating systems." | -Mikki Halpin, _The Geek Handbook_
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> I had another session on Sunday. I put up pictures on my IAM page and > also on my home web page:
Ooh, looking nice so far!
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S> http://cosmo.pasadena.ca.us/stan/tattoos/dragon/ yo, i am INTO that flamey-smokey orange stuff. nice. lish "you’re the icing on the cake 39.3% / 30 RANA 125 / 68
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Please tell more about the bactine trick.
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>Please tell more about the bactine trick.
After the first pass of the needle, we spray on a little Bactine. This has lidocaine in it. Let it soak in for about a minute, and then keep going. It numbs the skin where it’s been broken by the needle, and the numbing effect extends a little bit on either side as well. This works well for shading, since it typically takes several passes to fill in an area. And it works well enough that there were times when I could tell from the vibration that she was working right on a rib, but it didn’t hurt at all. Overall, it’s not bad for a cheap trick. — Stan Schwarz | Extreme sports…offer "some kind of physical http://cosmo.pasadena.ca.us | analog to the thrill of installing Linux or | other open-source operating systems." | -Mikki Halpin, _The Geek Handbook_
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->After the first pass of the needle, we spray on a little Bactine. This >has lidocaine in it. Let it soak in for about a minute, and then keep >going. It numbs the skin where it’s been broken by the needle, and the >numbing effect extends a little bit on either side as well. This works >well for shading, since it typically takes several passes to fill in >an area. And it works well enough that there were times when I could >tell from the vibration that she was working right on a rib, but it >didn’t hurt at all. >Overall, it’s not bad for a cheap trick. >– >Stan Schwarz | Extreme sports…offer "some kind of physical >http://cosmo.pasadena.ca.us | analog to the thrill of installing Linux or > | other open-source operating systems." > | -Mikki Halpin, _The Geek Handbook_
Thanks for that info. I’m going to try it next time
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> After the first pass of the needle, we spray on a little Bactine. This > has lidocaine in it. Let it soak in for about a minute, and then keep > going. It numbs the skin where it’s been broken by the needle, and the > numbing effect extends a little bit on either side as well. This works > well for shading, since it typically takes several passes to fill in > an area.
So, it’s a one-time thing, or do you re-apply? You’ve said in the past that you noticed no problems is healing. Fabulous. Oh, and do you have an estimate as to how long this numbing effect lasts? Cheers! Oh yeah, and the work looks great! Carol
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>> After the first pass of the needle, we spray on a little Bactine. This >So, it’s a one-time thing, or do you re-apply? You’ve said in the past that >you noticed no problems is healing. Fabulous. Oh, and do you have an >estimate as to how long this numbing effect lasts? Cheers! Oh yeah, and
You have to reapply it. The numbing effect lasts long enough on any given area, but as you progress, each time you break in a new area you have to give it a little spritz to numb it. For instance, for the shading Shannon was doing on me on Sunday, she started with the black in the center of each area. She did one pass and then sprayed it. Then she finished shading the black. Then she did one pass with the dark green next to the black. Gave that a spray and then finished it. — Stan Schwarz | Extreme sports…offer "some kind of physical http://cosmo.pasadena.ca.us | analog to the thrill of installing Linux or | other open-source operating systems." | -Mikki Halpin, _The Geek Handbook_
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> >So, it’s a one-time thing, or do you re-apply? You’ve said in the past that >you noticed no problems is healing. Fabulous. Oh, and do you have an >estimate as to how long this numbing effect lasts? Cheers! Oh yeah, and > You have to reapply it. The numbing effect lasts long enough on any > given area, but as you progress, each time you break in a new area > you have to give it a little spritz to numb it. For instance, for the > shading Shannon was doing on me on Sunday, she started with the black > in the center of each area. She did one pass and then sprayed it. Then > she finished shading the black. Then she did one pass with the dark > green next to the black. Gave that a spray and then finished it.
Hmmmmmmm. Thanks for the info.
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> After the first pass of the needle, we spray on a little Bactine. This > has lidocaine in it.
Mmm. Benzalkonium chloride and fragrances. I’m wondering whether the antibacterial-phobic amongst us could just make up a 2.5% lidocaine from the injectable ampoule form in normal saline or WFI, and put it in a spray bottle. Lara
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>> After the first pass of the needle, we spray on a little Bactine. > This has lidocaine in it. > Mmm. Benzalkonium chloride and fragrances. I’m wondering whether the > antibacterial-phobic amongst us could just make up a 2.5% lidocaine > from the injectable ampoule form in normal saline or WFI, and put it > in a spray bottle. > Lara
I might actually be interested in that. Is lidocaine in that form available OTC? fr0glet
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> > Mmm. Benzalkonium chloride and fragrances. I’m wondering whether the > antibacterial-phobic amongst us could just make up a 2.5% lidocaine > from the injectable ampoule form in normal saline or WFI, and put it > in a spray bottle. > I might actually be interested in that. Is lidocaine in that form available > OTC?
Google seems to suggest it’s available from dodgy online pharmacies. Ask your doc for an ampoule, or your pharmacist. Check and double check on your maximum total dose first; lidocaine toxicity is ugly. Lara
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>> After the first pass of the needle, we spray on a little Bactine. This > has lidocaine in it. >Mmm. Benzalkonium chloride and fragrances. I’m wondering whether the >antibacterial-phobic amongst us could just make up a 2.5% lidocaine from >the injectable ampoule form in normal saline or WFI, and put it in a
I’m sure this would work just as well, provided one has access to the materials. Since the other stuff doesn’t seem to harm anything, it’s just easier for us non-medical-professionals to just buy a $3 bottle of Bactine off the shelf. — Stan Schwarz | Extreme sports…offer "some kind of physical http://cosmo.pasadena.ca.us | analog to the thrill of installing Linux or | other open-source operating systems." | -Mikki Halpin, _The Geek Handbook_
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> >Mmm. Benzalkonium chloride and fragrances. I’m wondering whether the >antibacterial-phobic amongst us could just make up a 2.5% lidocaine from >the injectable ampoule form in normal saline or WFI, and put it in a > I’m sure this would work just as well, provided one has access to the > materials. Since the other stuff doesn’t seem to harm anything, it’s > just easier for us non-medical-professionals to just buy a $3 bottle > of Bactine off the shelf.
You’re happy to put more of that crap into the environment (and into your skin) because it’s more convenient; lots of people feel otherwise. http://www.tufts.edu/med/apua/Patients/antibact/antibact.html Lara
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>> materials. Since the other stuff doesn’t seem to harm anything, it’s > just easier for us non-medical-professionals to just buy a $3 bottle > of Bactine off the shelf. >You’re happy to put more of that crap into the environment (and into >your skin) because it’s more convenient; lots of people feel otherwise. >http://www.tufts.edu/med/apua/Patients/antibact/antibact.html
Well, I actually do agree with you here. And if I could get hold of the proper stuff I would. But the US is kind of anal about things like this. So on a purely practical level, there’s not much more I can do personally. http://www.despair.com/ir.html — Stan Schwarz | Extreme sports…offer "some kind of physical http://cosmo.pasadena.ca.us | analog to the thrill of installing Linux or | other open-source operating systems." | -Mikki Halpin, _The Geek Handbook_
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> You’re happy to put more of that crap into the environment (and into > your skin) because it’s more convenient; lots of people feel > otherwise.
Totally agree Lara. Let’s all train more bacteria to be resistant to common agents! If you are a complete wuss, try taking 2 * 500mg paracetamol a half hour before tattooing commences. (Note I said paracetamol, not aspirin or ibuprofen.)
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>After the first pass of the needle, we spray on a little Bactine. >>This has lidocaine in it. >Mmm. Benzalkonium chloride and fragrances. I’m wondering whether the >antibacterial-phobic amongst us could just make up a 2.5% lidocaine >from the injectable ampoule form in normal saline or WFI, and put it >in a spray bottle. >Lara > I might actually be interested in that. Is lidocaine in that form available > OTC?
Not in the US. I found out by happenchance that Solacaine does the same thing…. It burs bad for a moment but has a higher level of lidicaine so it lasts longer. Plus it is areosol so it is convienient. — JSin Lost Generation Custom Tattoo To reply Kill the .idiot "Swing a little more on the Devil’s dance floor" -Flogging Molly
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Mmm. Benzalkonium chloride and fragrances. I’m wondering whether the >>antibacterial-phobic amongst us could just make up a 2.5% lidocaine from >>the injectable ampoule form in normal saline or WFI, and put it in a >I’m sure this would work just as well, provided one has access to the >materials. Since the other stuff doesn’t seem to harm anything, it’s >just easier for us non-medical-professionals to just buy a $3 bottle >of Bactine off the shelf. > You’re happy to put more of that crap into the environment (and into > your skin) because it’s more convenient; lots of people feel otherwise. > http://www.tufts.edu/med/apua/Patients/antibact/antibact.html > Lara
I agree. I just had another cellulitis arise for no reason. I have had 3 in the last year. I would go to the doc get the super duper antibiotics it would go away for a while. But lo and behold it would rebound…. So this time I am letting my body deal with it. I hope it works….. In the last 10 years I have had a number of infections that I have asked for med science for help on…. my beleif is they broke me….. Now I am letting my bod suffer and learn to beat them. — JSin Lost Generation Custom Tattoo To reply Kill the .idiot "Swing a little more on the Devil’s dance floor" -Flogging Molly
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Mmm. Benzalkonium chloride and fragrances. I’m wondering whether the >>>antibacterial-phobic amongst us could just <snip> >>I’m sure this would work just as well, provided one has access to the >>materials. Since the other stuff doesn’t seem to harm anything, it’s >>just easier for us non-medical-professionals to just buy a $3 bottle >>of Bactine off the shelf. > You’re happy to put more of that crap into the environment (and into > your skin) because it’s more convenient; lots of people feel otherwise. > http://www.tufts.edu/med/apua/Patients/antibact/antibact.html > Lara >I agree. I just had another cellulitis arise for no reason. I have had 3 >in the last year. I would go to the doc get the super duper antibiotics >it would go away for a while. But lo and behold it would rebound…. So >this time I am letting my body deal with it. I hope it works….. In the >last 10 years >I have had a number of infections that I have asked for >med science for help on…. my beleif is they broke me….. >Now I am letting my bod suffer and >learn to beat them.
I’m not sure that it works that way. My understanding is that by not completing a cycle of antibiotics, the bugs that remain in your system become stronger instead of becoming "deader". Those bugs then become immune to additional antibiotic cycles "forever". You’re saying that you can kinda-sorta detox from this immunity (being immersed in antibiotics and no longer reaping their benefit) by suffering through an ailment without the use of antibiotics? Is that right? — Curt http://iam.bmezine.com/?curt http://www.curtjames.com/
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> I agree. I just had another cellulitis arise for no reason. I have had 3 > in the last year. I would go to the doc get the super duper antibiotics > it would go away for a while. But lo and behold it would rebound…. So > this time I am letting my body deal with it. I hope it works…..
What kind of flowers do you like? Seriously, cellulitis is not something to trifle with. Before the advent of penicillin, people died from much less serious infections. I suppose you always took the full course of antibiotics, i.e. you took them for a while after symptoms were gone? I’d try and find a specialist. These bacteria don’t come from nowhere, you harbor them, and there are ways to get rid of them entirely. It’s not always successful, but worth a try. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot. Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net
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> Not in the US. I found out by happenchance that Solacaine does the same > thing…. It burs bad for a moment but has a higher level of lidicaine > so it lasts longer. Plus it is areosol so it is convienient.
It’s also asking for an allergy against lidocaine to develop. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot. Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net
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>>I agree. I just had another cellulitis arise for no reason. I have had 3 >in the last year. I would go to the doc get the super duper antibiotics >it would go away for a while. But lo and behold it would rebound…. So >this time I am letting my body deal with it. I hope it works….. > What kind of flowers do you like? > Seriously, cellulitis is not something to trifle with. Before the > advent of penicillin, people died from much less serious > infections.
Not at all being triffled with but rather allowing my bod to deal with it. I know the dangers and have been keeping a very close eye on it and it is significantly improving. > I suppose you always took the full course of antibiotics, i.e. you > took them for a while after symptoms were gone?
Yes I did. Three occasions now. One of them was in my leg and the source on that was an IV while I was hospitalized with another issue. > I’d try and find a specialist. These bacteria don’t come from > nowhere, you harbor them, and there are ways to get rid of them > entirely. It’s not always successful, but worth a try.
The statement about out of no where was more descriptive than reality. The harboring of it is as issue. I am hoping that allowing my body to deal with it will allow my own immune system to develop the antibodies to fight it off. The previous incident was delt with through IV antibiotics and under the care of a specialist. Well it bounced back again even with the full course. I also know if it stops improving that I do need to get in immediately to have it cared for. As always I place a great deal of wieght on your input on these issues but my prior experiances with this have seriously made me question wether getting professional medical care early on this has been the right thing. This is not to say if I am in serious immenant medical danger I will not seek care promptly. — JSin Lost Generation Custom Tattoo To reply Kill the .idiot "Swing a little more on the Devil’s dance floor" -Flogging Molly
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>>Not in the US. I found out by happenchance that Solacaine does the same >thing…. It burs bad for a moment but has a higher level of lidicaine >so it lasts longer. Plus it is areosol so it is convienient. > It’s also asking for an allergy against lidocaine to develop.
How much exposure does it generally take to develope and allergy. I know for myself with my clumsyness I have had to have it injected by the Doc for stiches and the like far nore often than I have used it on areas where discomfort with tattooing has required it. I’m not asking for an exact number of exposures or anything but what frequency would likely signify being at risk? — JSin Lost Generation Custom Tattoo To reply Kill the .idiot "Swing a little more on the Devil’s dance floor" -Flogging Molly
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> > It’s also asking for an allergy against lidocaine to develop. > How much exposure does it generally take to develope and allergy. I know > for myself with my clumsyness I have had to have it injected by the Doc > for stiches and the like far nore often than I have used it on areas > where discomfort with tattooing has required it. > I’m not asking for an exact number of exposures or anything but what > frequency would likely signify being at risk?
I don’t think you can put that in numbers. Repeated use is an issue. Can happen the second time or the 325th, or any time in between, or never. To be fair, allergies agains lidocaine are rarer than against other topical anesthetics. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot. Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net
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> The statement about out of no where was more descriptive than reality. > The harboring of it is as issue. I am hoping that allowing my body to > deal with it will allow my own immune system to develop the antibodies > to fight it off.
The problem is, it most likely wouldn’t work because basically, they’re faster than your immune system. It takes a couple of days before effective antibody production is even initiated. You risk spreading of the infection to deeper tissues if you wait before getting treatment. Any underlying causes have been ruled out? e.g. diabetes, compromised immune system? In veterinary medicine at least we have the option to make a vaccine out of a single strain isolated from an individual animal or stable… > This is not to say if I am in serious immenant medical danger I will not > seek care promptly.
Just don’t die on us, ok? Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot. Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net