> Yea…i’m a bit scared to be honest…man, have they been ultra-successfull > or what! Personally, i dunno, one one hand, they rock, but on the other, > they’re in that category of new-retro which i really can’t stand. The > mop-tops, the old style…well, the old style everything!! > But all the best to them, it’d be my dream to be as successful as them! > — > Kristoff Lajoie > www.kristoff.4t.com
It will be interesting to see where they take it. They kind of remind me of the Stray Cats on steriods. It’s always nice to hear a new band come out that dumped all the BS effects and just play some good ole rock – even more so with the energy Jet puts into it. The Black Crows were another good ‘natural’ sounding band. Hope they can hang for a while. Middle C
I like them too. It’s a totally unselfconscious sound. Edward G. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Just thought I’d mention that. > Why is it the Aussies are the only ones left in the world who know how to > rock? > Maybe it’s some sort of karmic payback for inflicting Men At Work on us…
John, another couple of aussie bands that are just about due to make it (and, given your list, you’d prolly like) * Rocket Science * Youth Group * The Cops – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Other current(ish) bands I like (very short list): > The Vines (Aussies again) > The Roots > Kane West (Yeah he’s rap, but it grooves) > My brother’s band, Doombuggy > Mudvayne (yeah, they are dark and complex, but I like ‘em. So f**g what?) > That’s about it for now. Hopefully this is the beginning of a trend. I may > have to dust off those I IV V chord progressions…. > — > Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm > "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — > George Orwell >>Korn? No. RCHP they’ve been at it for 20 years – the least 10 of whch >have >>been spent cranking out lame minor key reworking of "Under the Bridge" > for >>radio play. >>No, I’m talking about balls out, no whinny bullshit, three chord pop >>masterpieces that stick in your head all night while you’re trying to >sleep. >>Bands that have more in common with the Beatles, Cheap Trick, the >Buzzcocks, >>the Damned and Humble Pie than Creed and Limp Bizkit. >>Actually I misspoke; two non-Aussies (that I’m aware of anyway) on this >>board have the chuztpah I’m talking about: m.h. and longhairedrockstar. >Give >>’em a listen. >>What can I say? Unlike most beople, I like my jazz and classical weird > and >>avant-garde, and my rock simple and catchy. > so you’re talking about No Doubt, Blink 182, 311 to name a few?
Yea…i’m a bit scared to be honest…man, have they been ultra-successfull or what! Personally, i dunno, one one hand, they rock, but on the other, they’re in that category of new-retro which i really can’t stand. The mop-tops, the old style…well, the old style everything!! But all the best to them, it’d be my dream to be as successful as them! — Kristoff Lajoie www.kristoff.4t.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just thought I’d mention that. > Why is it the Aussies are the only ones left in the world who know how to > rock? > Maybe it’s some sort of karmic payback for inflicting Men At Work on us… > — > Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm > "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — > George Orwell
YES !!! I’ve seen him ! That’s sooooo dorky ! At least, on our ‘Idol’ show, we have really great singers. Really. They’re in their early 30’s, they’re talented, I really appreciated this show this year. Last year, it was just another cuddlydoody teenager thing. — Henry! "Your shoes have got to match what colour guitar you’re playing. I had this black guitar and I was going, ‘Gem, I can’t seem to dress with this guitar’." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> That’s you guys; Right now we’re saturated with Clay Aiken, Britney Spears, > and that retarded Chineese guy who can’t sing from "American Idol". > God have mercy on our souls. > — > Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm > "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — > George Orwell > yay for aussies > they do rock, but they have saturated the market with their music now, > there > is almost no songs left on their first album to release, so we’re waiting > on > a new release to see if they can keep it up > Sam message > > Just thought I’d mention that. > > Why is it the Aussies are the only ones left in the world who know how > to > > rock? > > Maybe it’s some sort of karmic payback for inflicting Men At Work on > us… > > — > > Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm > > "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary > act." — > > George Orwell
> That’s you guys; Right now we’re saturated with Clay Aiken, Britney Spears, > and that retarded Chineese guy who can’t sing from "American Idol".
HA, you haven’t seen and heard Daniel Kuebelboeck !! > God have mercy on our souls.
Same here.
>Korn? No. RCHP they’ve been at it for 20 years – the least 10 of whch have >been spent cranking out lame minor key reworking of "Under the Bridge" for >radio play. >No, I’m talking about balls out, no whinny bullshit, three chord pop >masterpieces that stick in your head all night while you’re trying to sleep. >Bands that have more in common with the Beatles, Cheap Trick, the Buzzcocks, >the Damned and Humble Pie than Creed and Limp Bizkit. >Actually I misspoke; two non-Aussies (that I’m aware of anyway) on this >board have the chuztpah I’m talking about: m.h. and longhairedrockstar. Give >’em a listen.
Wow! Thanks John. 
(That’s http://www.geocities.com/fightingbrosmccarthy for those of you following along.) You know, the first time I heard Jet I thought, "Hey, these guys sound like AC/DC *used* to sound." And that’s a GOOD thing in my book. (Oh, and the Beatles and Cheap Trick are *definitely* on the list of influences for the Fighting Brothers McCarthy.) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->What can I say? Unlike most beople, I like my jazz and classical weird and >avant-garde, and my rock simple and catchy.
Aloha, Jerry
> Just thought I’d mention that. > Why is it the Aussies are the only ones left in the world who know how to > rock?
I think they know how to drink…goes together. I seriously can’t stand the Jet tune they’re playing locally though. It starts with the tambourine part from Walk Like An Egyptian, lauches into an alternating pattern of riffs and beats from TV Eye and Lust For Life. I love Iggy too, but I wouldn’t "write" that song.
That’s you guys; Right now we’re saturated with Clay Aiken, Britney Spears, and that retarded Chineese guy who can’t sing from "American Idol". God have mercy on our souls. — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> yay for aussies > they do rock, but they have saturated the market with their music now, there > is almost no songs left on their first album to release, so we’re waiting on > a new release to see if they can keep it up > Sam > Just thought I’d mention that. > Why is it the Aussies are the only ones left in the world who know how to > rock? > Maybe it’s some sort of karmic payback for inflicting Men At Work on us… > — > Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm > "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary > act." — > George Orwell
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Korn? No. RCHP they’ve been at it for 20 years – the least 10 of whch have > been spent cranking out lame minor key reworking of "Under the Bridge" for > radio play. > No, I’m talking about balls out, no whinny bullshit, three chord pop > masterpieces that stick in your head all night while you’re trying to sleep. > Bands that have more in common with the Beatles, Cheap Trick, the Buzzcocks, > the Damned and Humble Pie than Creed and Limp Bizkit. > Actually I misspoke; two non-Aussies (that I’m aware of anyway) on this > board have the chuztpah I’m talking about: m.h. and longhairedrockstar. Give > ‘em a listen. > What can I say? Unlike most beople, I like my jazz and classical weird and > avant-garde, and my rock simple and catchy.
so you’re talking about No Doubt, Blink 182, 311 to name a few?
yay for aussies they do rock, but they have saturated the market with their music now, there is almost no songs left on their first album to release, so we’re waiting on a new release to see if they can keep it up Sam
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just thought I’d mention that. > Why is it the Aussies are the only ones left in the world who know how to > rock? > Maybe it’s some sort of karmic payback for inflicting Men At Work on us… > — > Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm > "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — > George Orwell
Just thought I’d mention that. Why is it the Aussies are the only ones left in the world who know how to rock? Maybe it’s some sort of karmic payback for inflicting Men At Work on us… — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell
> Why is it the Aussies are the only ones left in the world who know how to > rock? > Maybe it’s some sort of karmic payback for inflicting Men At Work on us…
I actually liked Men at Work. They were pretty original. Aussies aren’t the only ones left who know how to rock. Korn, RHCP, Disturbed, to name a few, are up there as rockers. I hope you’re not comparing what seems to pass as rock to The Darkness.
Korn? No. RCHP they’ve been at it for 20 years – the least 10 of whch have been spent cranking out lame minor key reworking of "Under the Bridge" for radio play. No, I’m talking about balls out, no whinny bullshit, three chord pop masterpieces that stick in your head all night while you’re trying to sleep. Bands that have more in common with the Beatles, Cheap Trick, the Buzzcocks, the Damned and Humble Pie than Creed and Limp Bizkit. Actually I misspoke; two non-Aussies (that I’m aware of anyway) on this board have the chuztpah I’m talking about: m.h. and longhairedrockstar. Give ‘em a listen. What can I say? Unlike most beople, I like my jazz and classical weird and avant-garde, and my rock simple and catchy. — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why is it the Aussies are the only ones left in the world who know how to > rock? > Maybe it’s some sort of karmic payback for inflicting Men At Work on us… > I actually liked Men at Work. They were pretty original. > Aussies aren’t the only ones left who know how to rock. Korn, RHCP, > Disturbed, to name a few, are up there as rockers. I hope you’re not > comparing what seems to pass as rock to The Darkness.
Other current(ish) bands I like (very short list): The Vines (Aussies again) The Roots Kane West (Yeah he’s rap, but it grooves) My brother’s band, Doombuggy Mudvayne (yeah, they are dark and complex, but I like ‘em. So f**g what?) That’s about it for now. Hopefully this is the beginning of a trend. I may have to dust off those I IV V chord progressions…. — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Korn? No. RCHP they’ve been at it for 20 years – the least 10 of whch > have > been spent cranking out lame minor key reworking of "Under the Bridge" for > radio play. > No, I’m talking about balls out, no whinny bullshit, three chord pop > masterpieces that stick in your head all night while you’re trying to > sleep. > Bands that have more in common with the Beatles, Cheap Trick, the > Buzzcocks, > the Damned and Humble Pie than Creed and Limp Bizkit. > Actually I misspoke; two non-Aussies (that I’m aware of anyway) on this > board have the chuztpah I’m talking about: m.h. and longhairedrockstar. > Give > ‘em a listen. > What can I say? Unlike most beople, I like my jazz and classical weird and > avant-garde, and my rock simple and catchy. > so you’re talking about No Doubt, Blink 182, 311 to name a few?
No Doubt – sort of. Blink, 311? No. It’s about the GROOVE, my man. No groove, no sale. To me at least. — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Korn? No. RCHP they’ve been at it for 20 years – the least 10 of whch > have > been spent cranking out lame minor key reworking of "Under the Bridge" for > radio play. > No, I’m talking about balls out, no whinny bullshit, three chord pop > masterpieces that stick in your head all night while you’re trying to > sleep. > Bands that have more in common with the Beatles, Cheap Trick, the > Buzzcocks, > the Damned and Humble Pie than Creed and Limp Bizkit. > Actually I misspoke; two non-Aussies (that I’m aware of anyway) on this > board have the chuztpah I’m talking about: m.h. and longhairedrockstar. > Give > ‘em a listen. > What can I say? Unlike most beople, I like my jazz and classical weird and > avant-garde, and my rock simple and catchy. > so you’re talking about No Doubt, Blink 182, 311 to name a few?
My vote goes for : Paint It Black. Watts at his best!! Scott
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Funny – I am not a Stones fanatic by a long shot but Can’t You Hear Me > Knockin’ is for me their BEST tune of all time. Quintessential Stones. > gl >> Totally subjective, but songs you’ve heard that were written and >> performed >> right. They nailed it. Another verse or chorus or a different lead solo > and >> it wouldn’t be, well, perfect. For me they are always rather short pop >> songs, they said what they had to say without embellishing. And I like >> it. >> Those are the criteria I use. > "Little Darling" by the Diamonds is *the* perfect song. Nothing else even > comes close. Cowbell intro, soliloquy in the middle, and a "cha cha cha" > ending. That’s the way music was meant to be. Seriously! I get off on > that song more than any other in history. >> And here’s a twist, parts of songs that were perfect for the song, but >> the >> song itself is not perfect. > The most disappointing song of all time for me is "Can’t You Hear Me > Knockin’" by the Stones. Great intro, one of the all-time catchy guitar > hooks, knockout chorus… and then it devolves into that awful mess, I > don’t know what the hell you call it, they just screw around pointlessly > for > several minutes to end it. It’s the ultimate pairing of a fantastic first > half with the all-time worst second half. I’m gonna sit me down and write > that song an ending!
>>I thank it was David Allen Coe what wrote the perfect song. >Actually it was Steve Goodman who wrote "You Never Even Call Me By My >Name."
As well as "City of New Orleans" and "Chicken Cordon Blues" — Lynrd http://www.xcdx.com – Music that doesn’t suck.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Totally subjective, but songs you’ve heard that were written and performed > >right. They nailed it. Another verse or chorus or a different lead solo and > >it wouldn’t be, well, perfect. For me they are always rather short pop > >songs, they said what they had to say without embellishing. And I like it. > >Those are the criteria I use. > >Anyway you get the idea. Here are a few of mine. Ricky Don’t Lose That > >Number by Steely Dan. Wicked Game by Chris Isaac. Pump It Up by Elvis > >Costello. Yesterday Girl by The Smithereens. Perfect, wouldn’t change a > >thing. And I still like them after all these years. > >And here’s a twist, parts of songs that were perfect for the song, but the > >song itself is not perfect. For me the lead solo at that takes us to the end > >of Goodbye Stranger by Supertramp is absolutely perfect for that song and > >gives me goose bumps. However I don’t really care for the rest of the song > >that much.. > I got really close on George Thurogoods "I Drink alone" once…. > — > Lynrd > http://www.xcdx.com – Music that doesn’t suck. >Say it ain’t so, Lynrd…
I misread the question. I thought that he was asking about songs I had played right. I also once came very close on "Bad To The Bone" once, but I was really trying hard there… ;o> For the actual questuon, my perfect song would be the Sam and Dave version of "Bring it On Home to Me" and the Joan Osborne led version of "What Becomes of the Broken Hearted" from SITSOM. — Lynrd http://www.xcdx.com – Music that doesn’t suck.
>"John Shaughnessy" > Perfect song: "Mandocello" by Cheap Trick. can’t think of a single thing I’d > change in this perfect slice of pop. >Good pick. I remember blasting that record on the old hi-fi during feigned sick days >back in ‘81. >Say, that ‘minds me… >I guess one of my ‘perfect songs’ would have to be ‘Losing It’, off of Rush’s ‘Signals.’ >Weird time signatures, ripping crescendo, and a violin solo. What more could you ask for? >m
A male vocalist that sings like a girl, maybe?? Oh, wait… — Lynrd http://www.xcdx.com – Music that doesn’t suck.
Among others by the Beatles "Eleanor Rigby" is a piece of work. Speaking of just really good songs, anyone heard "19 forever" by Joe Jackson? I never heard it get any play anywhere but always loved it.
What more could you ask for? > A male vocalist that sings like a girl, maybe?? > Oh, wait…> Lynrd> http://www.xcdx.com – Music that doesn’t suck.
Speaking of Yes, 5 more days! They’ve got a few perfect tunes too, IMO. m
> Totally subjective, but songs you’ve heard that were written and performed > right. They nailed it. Another verse or chorus or a different lead solo and > it wouldn’t be, well, perfect. For me they are always rather short pop > songs, they said what they had to say without embellishing. And I like it. > Those are the criteria I use. > Anyway you get the idea. Here are a few of mine. Ricky Don’t Lose That > Number by Steely Dan. Wicked Game by Chris Isaac. Pump It Up by Elvis > Costello. Yesterday Girl by The Smithereens. Perfect, wouldn’t change a > thing. And I still like them after all these years.
"Wooly Bully"- Sam The Sham And The Pharaohs > And here’s a twist, parts of songs that were perfect for the song, but the > song itself is not perfect. For me the lead solo at that takes us to the end > of Goodbye Stranger by Supertramp is absolutely perfect for that song and > gives me goose bumps. However I don’t really care for the rest of the song > that much..
The guitar solos on "Reelin’ In the Years" by SD…flawless. Bud
>Totally subjective, but songs you’ve heard that were written and performed >right. They nailed it. Another verse or chorus or a different lead solo and >it wouldn’t be, well, perfect. For me they are always rather short pop >songs, they said what they had to say without embellishing. And I like it. >Those are the criteria I use. >Anyway you get the idea. Here are a few of mine. Ricky Don’t Lose That >Number by Steely Dan. Wicked Game by Chris Isaac. Pump It Up by Elvis >Costello. Yesterday Girl by The Smithereens. Perfect, wouldn’t change a >thing. And I still like them after all these years.
Rush – Red Barchetta P-Funk (Wants to Get Funked Up) – Parliament Gallow’s Pole – Led Zeppelin What’s Goin’ On – Marvin Gaye Superstition – Stevie Wonder Me and Bobby McGee – Janis Joplin White Room – Cream Great Part – No So Great Song Solo in "Purple Haze’ – Jimi Hendrix Bass line to "Slow Ride"
> Totally subjective, but songs you’ve heard that were written and > performed right. They nailed it. Another verse or chorus or a > different lead solo and it wouldn’t be, well, perfect. For me > they are always rather short pop songs, they said what they had > to say without embellishing. And I like it. Those are the > criteria I use.
Jim Pembroke’s "Lost without a trace" (the original version) -well, it’s pretty much the most beautiful ballad I’ve ever heard. makes me shiver, kind of. Wigwam’s "Pedagogue" -the woodwind section! this is pretty much what I thought jazz is like when I first got into it. one of the greatest prog rock tunes I know. The Grateful Dead’s "St. Stephen" -might be just that I like Jerry Garcia’s voice. (very similar to Jim Pembroke, who is my favorite vocalist) some interesting bass stuff. it’s a nice pop-ish song. Ornette Coleman’s "Peace" -again something that definitely seems a lot like what I thought jazz is like when I was just a little boy making ambitious computer music. charlie haden’s bass stuff is great. King Crimson’s "Larks’ Tongues in Aspic, part one" -what progressive rock really should considered to be about The Who’s "Substitute", "Heaven & Hell" & "Can’t Explain" -something simpler for a change — ( -
> gives me goose bumps. However I don’t really care for the rest of > the song that much..
"Under Pressure" by Queen with David Bowie is a friggin chiller during the build up at the end. — /" ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Todd H / | http://www.toddh.net/ X Promoting good netiquette | http://triplethreatband.com/ / http://www.toddh.net/netiquette/ | "4 lines suffice."
> The guitar solos on "Reelin’ In the Years" by SD…flawless. > Bud
Ahhh yeah!
> And here’s a twist, parts of songs that were perfect for the song, but the > song itself is not perfect.
The lead in Zeppelin’s "Tangerine" always shivers me’ timbers. Hell… the whole song is perfect. — O< "Go Red Wings!" /() ^^ Slidell, LA
Funny – I am not a Stones fanatic by a long shot but Can’t You Hear Me Knockin’ is for me their BEST tune of all time. Quintessential Stones. gl
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Totally subjective, but songs you’ve heard that were written and > performed > right. They nailed it. Another verse or chorus or a different lead solo > and > it wouldn’t be, well, perfect. For me they are always rather short pop > songs, they said what they had to say without embellishing. And I like > it. > Those are the criteria I use. > "Little Darling" by the Diamonds is *the* perfect song. Nothing else even > comes close. Cowbell intro, soliloquy in the middle, and a "cha cha cha" > ending. That’s the way music was meant to be. Seriously! I get off on > that song more than any other in history. > And here’s a twist, parts of songs that were perfect for the song, but > the > song itself is not perfect. > The most disappointing song of all time for me is "Can’t You Hear Me > Knockin’" by the Stones. Great intro, one of the all-time catchy guitar > hooks, knockout chorus… and then it devolves into that awful mess, I > don’t know what the hell you call it, they just screw around pointlessly > for > several minutes to end it. It’s the ultimate pairing of a fantastic first > half with the all-time worst second half. I’m gonna sit me down and write > that song an ending!
Totally subjective, but songs you’ve heard that were written and performed right. They nailed it. Another verse or chorus or a different lead solo and it wouldn’t be, well, perfect. For me they are always rather short pop songs, they said what they had to say without embellishing. And I like it. Those are the criteria I use. Anyway you get the idea. Here are a few of mine. Ricky Don’t Lose That Number by Steely Dan. Wicked Game by Chris Isaac. Pump It Up by Elvis Costello. Yesterday Girl by The Smithereens. Perfect, wouldn’t change a thing. And I still like them after all these years. And here’s a twist, parts of songs that were perfect for the song, but the song itself is not perfect. For me the lead solo at that takes us to the end of Goodbye Stranger by Supertramp is absolutely perfect for that song and gives me goose bumps. However I don’t really care for the rest of the song that much..
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Totally subjective, but songs you’ve heard that were written and performed >right. They nailed it. Another verse or chorus or a different lead solo and >it wouldn’t be, well, perfect. For me they are always rather short pop >songs, they said what they had to say without embellishing. And I like it. >Those are the criteria I use. >Anyway you get the idea. Here are a few of mine. Ricky Don’t Lose That >Number by Steely Dan. Wicked Game by Chris Isaac. Pump It Up by Elvis >Costello. Yesterday Girl by The Smithereens. Perfect, wouldn’t change a >thing. And I still like them after all these years. >And here’s a twist, parts of songs that were perfect for the song, but the >song itself is not perfect. For me the lead solo at that takes us to the end >of Goodbye Stranger by Supertramp is absolutely perfect for that song and >gives me goose bumps. However I don’t really care for the rest of the song >that much..
I got a couple off the top o’ my head: "In the Beginning" by Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, and "All I Need" by Toad the Wet Sprocket. I’m sure
keyboard and summoned the courage to write: >Totally subjective, but songs you’ve heard that were written and performed >right. They nailed it. Another verse or chorus or a different lead solo and >it wouldn’t be, well, perfect. For me they are always rather short pop >songs, they said what they had to say without embellishing. And I like it. >Those are the criteria I use.
The Who, "Summertime Blues" and "Substitute" on Live at Leeds. Brian Eno, "The True Wheel." More songs by The Beatles than I care to mention. >And here’s a twist, parts of songs that were perfect for the song, but the >song itself is not perfect. For me the lead solo at that takes us to the end >of Goodbye Stranger by Supertramp is absolutely perfect for that song and >gives me goose bumps. However I don’t really care for the rest of the song >that much..
Kaukonen’s guitar break in "DCBA 25" by Jefferson Airplane. The guitar break in "Baby Blue" by Badfinger. Hendrix’s little introductory figure in "Voodoo Chile (Slight Return)" — is guava a donut?
George Harrison once said that the song River Deep, Mountain High, by Ike and Tina Turner (produced by Phil Spector) was the perfect record.
I thank it was David Allen Coe what wrote the perfect song. Hawk
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Totally subjective, but songs you’ve heard that were written and performed >right. They nailed it. Another verse or chorus or a different lead solo and >it wouldn’t be, well, perfect. For me they are always rather short pop >songs, they said what they had to say without embellishing. And I like it. >Those are the criteria I use. >Anyway you get the idea. Here are a few of mine. Ricky Don’t Lose That >Number by Steely Dan. Wicked Game by Chris Isaac. Pump It Up by Elvis >Costello. Yesterday Girl by The Smithereens. Perfect, wouldn’t change a >thing. And I still like them after all these years. >And here’s a twist, parts of songs that were perfect for the song, but the >song itself is not perfect. For me the lead solo at that takes us to the end >of Goodbye Stranger by Supertramp is absolutely perfect for that song and >gives me goose bumps. However I don’t really care for the rest of the song >that much..
I got really close on George Thurogoods "I Drink alone" once…. — Lynrd http://www.xcdx.com – Music that doesn’t suck.
>I thank it was David Allen Coe what wrote the perfect song.
Actually it was Steve Goodman who wrote "You Never Even Call Me By My Name."
Perfect song: "Mandocello" by Cheap Trick. can’t think of a single thing I’d change in this perfect slice of pop. John Coltrane’s "Love Supreme" suite. They nailed it that day. Beethoven’s 7th Symphony, 1st movement. I get chills when I hear it. The guitar solo in the live recording of Bob Segar’s "Travelin Man". Not a A Segar fan by any stretch, but that’s as close to a perfect rock guitar solo as I’ve heard. Part of a song I like the best: The guitar solo in Tommy Bolin’s "Someday Will Bring Our Love Home". It’s so simple and beautiful, It brings tears to my eyes every time. All over the map I know, but I just calls ‘em like I hears ‘em. — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Totally subjective, but songs you’ve heard that were written and performed > right. They nailed it. Another verse or chorus or a different lead solo and > it wouldn’t be, well, perfect. For me they are always rather short pop > songs, they said what they had to say without embellishing. And I like it. > Those are the criteria I use. > Anyway you get the idea. Here are a few of mine. Ricky Don’t Lose That > Number by Steely Dan. Wicked Game by Chris Isaac. Pump It Up by Elvis > Costello. Yesterday Girl by The Smithereens. Perfect, wouldn’t change a > thing. And I still like them after all these years. > And here’s a twist, parts of songs that were perfect for the song, but the > song itself is not perfect. For me the lead solo at that takes us to the end > of Goodbye Stranger by Supertramp is absolutely perfect for that song and > gives me goose bumps. However I don’t really care for the rest of the song > that much..
>>I thank it was David Allen Coe what wrote the perfect song. > Actually it was Steve Goodman who wrote "You Never Even Call Me By My > Name."
Not until he wrote the 5th verse. — O< "Go Red Wings!" /() ^^ Slidell, LA
"John Shaughnessy" > Perfect song: "Mandocello" by Cheap Trick. can’t think of a single thing I’d > change in this perfect slice of pop.
Good pick. I remember blasting that record on the old hi-fi during feigned sick days back in ‘81. Say, that ‘minds me… I guess one of my ‘perfect songs’ would have to be ‘Losing It’, off of Rush’s ‘Signals.’ Weird time signatures, ripping crescendo, and a violin solo. What more could you ask for? m
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Totally subjective, but songs you’ve heard that were written and performed >right. They nailed it. Another verse or chorus or a different lead solo and >it wouldn’t be, well, perfect. For me they are always rather short pop >songs, they said what they had to say without embellishing. And I like it. >Those are the criteria I use. >Anyway you get the idea. Here are a few of mine. Ricky Don’t Lose That >Number by Steely Dan. Wicked Game by Chris Isaac. Pump It Up by Elvis >Costello. Yesterday Girl by The Smithereens. Perfect, wouldn’t change a >thing. And I still like them after all these years. >And here’s a twist, parts of songs that were perfect for the song, but the >song itself is not perfect. For me the lead solo at that takes us to the end >of Goodbye Stranger by Supertramp is absolutely perfect for that song and >gives me goose bumps. However I don’t really care for the rest of the song >that much.. > I got really close on George Thurogoods "I Drink alone" once…. > — > Lynrd > http://www.xcdx.com – Music that doesn’t suck.
Say it ain’t so, Lynrd…
> Totally subjective, but songs you’ve heard that were written and performed > right. They nailed it. Another verse or chorus or a different lead solo and > it wouldn’t be, well, perfect. For me they are always rather short pop > songs, they said what they had to say without embellishing. And I like it. > Those are the criteria I use.
"Little Darling" by the Diamonds is *the* perfect song. Nothing else even comes close. Cowbell intro, soliloquy in the middle, and a "cha cha cha" ending. That’s the way music was meant to be. Seriously! I get off on that song more than any other in history. > And here’s a twist, parts of songs that were perfect for the song, but the > song itself is not perfect.
The most disappointing song of all time for me is "Can’t You Hear Me Knockin’" by the Stones. Great intro, one of the all-time catchy guitar hooks, knockout chorus… and then it devolves into that awful mess, I don’t know what the hell you call it, they just screw around pointlessly for several minutes to end it. It’s the ultimate pairing of a fantastic first half with the all-time worst second half. I’m gonna sit me down and write that song an ending!
> Wonderful Tonight
[long, blood-curdling scream]
Hi – I’m looking for some ideas of dance tunes for my 3-piece band to play. What are some dance songs that you folks have had good luck with (that can be done with guitar-bass-drums)? Some songs that we’ve had good luck with are: What I Like (Romantics), I Want You to Want Me (Cheap Trick), Roll the Dice (Delbert McClinton), Rock Steady (Bad Co.), Funky Music, You May Be Right (Billy Joel), Tush (ZZ), Bad Case (Robert Palmer), Hot Legs (Rod Stewart), Same Old Song and Dance (Aerosmith)….stuff like this. Thanks for any ideas…. Mike
Wonderful Tonight ( Clampton ). Any guy that doesn’t dance with his woman to that one isn’t getting any nookie for a week.
<< Wonderful Tonight ( Clampton ). Any guy that doesn’t dance with his woman to that one isn’t getting any nookie for a week. >><BR><BR> Peter Clampton? Didn’t he play with Humble Ply?
‘Barefootin’ by Robert Parker Edward G. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi – > I’m looking for some ideas of dance tunes for my 3-piece band to play. What > are some dance songs that you folks have had good luck with (that can be > done with guitar-bass-drums)? Some songs that we’ve had good luck with are: > What I Like (Romantics), I Want You to Want Me (Cheap Trick), Roll the Dice > (Delbert McClinton), Rock Steady (Bad Co.), Funky Music, You May Be Right > (Billy Joel), Tush (ZZ), Bad Case (Robert Palmer), Hot Legs (Rod Stewart), > Same Old Song and Dance (Aerosmith)….stuff like this. > Thanks for any ideas…. > Mike
> Nope, not a political thread.. > I KNOW that somewhere I have heard a good cover of the Cheap Trick > song, a little smoother and more melodic than the Cheap Trick version > (More pop, less punk, tempo a little faster). > It is not the Less than Jake version, and I cannot locate any other > covers of it….anyone know of another cover of it? > — > Lynrd > http://www.xcdx.com – Music that doesn’t suck.
Not Jonathan Richman is it? He did a song called ‘Surrender’ IIRC. SR
Warrant covered it in 2000 on their Under the Influence CD but I have not heard it yet. Do you know about www.allmusic.com? DGB
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Nope, not a political thread.. > I KNOW that somewhere I have heard a good cover of the Cheap Trick > song, a little smoother and more melodic than the Cheap Trick version > (More pop, less punk, tempo a little faster). > It is not the Less than Jake version, and I cannot locate any other > covers of it….anyone know of another cover of it? > — > Lynrd > http://www.xcdx.com – Music that doesn’t suck.
>Nope, not a political thread.. >I KNOW that somewhere I have heard a good cover of the Cheap Trick >song, a little smoother and more melodic than the Cheap Trick version >(More pop, less punk, tempo a little faster). >It is not the Less than Jake version, and I cannot locate any other >covers of it….anyone know of another cover of it?
Coversong database show Warrant covered it in 2001 and Zebrahead covered it in 2003
Why ? I think they’re nice. I’d even say that they’re a great band when cruising in the sunlight, in the first warm sun of spring. Now, in the winter… they suck. — Henry! "Your shoes have got to match what colour guitar you’re playing. I had this black guitar and I was going, ‘Gem, I can’t seem to dress with this guitar’." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Nope, not a political thread.. >>I KNOW that somewhere I have heard a good cover of the Cheap Trick >>song, a little smoother and more melodic than the Cheap Trick version >>(More pop, less punk, tempo a little faster). >>It is not the Less than Jake version, and I cannot locate any other >>covers of it….anyone know of another cover of it? >Coversong database show Warrant covered it in 2001 and Zebrahead >covered it in 2003 > Although I haven’t checked yet, I really hope it’s not the Warrant > version I am looking for… > I would hate to find out that I like something they did at this point. > — > Lynrd > http://www.xcdx.com – Music that doesn’t suck.
my band is opening for them apr 22nd. 
should be fun.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why ? I think they’re nice. > I’d even say that they’re a great band when cruising in the sunlight, in the > first warm sun of spring. > Now, in the winter… they suck. > — > Henry! > "Your shoes have got to match what colour guitar you’re playing. I had this > black guitar and I was going, ‘Gem, I can’t seem to dress with this > guitar’." > >>Nope, not a political thread.. > >>I KNOW that somewhere I have heard a good cover of the Cheap Trick > >>song, a little smoother and more melodic than the Cheap Trick version > >>(More pop, less punk, tempo a little faster). > >>It is not the Less than Jake version, and I cannot locate any other > >>covers of it….anyone know of another cover of it? > >Coversong database show Warrant covered it in 2001 and Zebrahead > >covered it in 2003 > Although I haven’t checked yet, I really hope it’s not the Warrant > version I am looking for… > I would hate to find out that I like something they did at this point. > — > Lynrd > http://www.xcdx.com – Music that doesn’t suck.
How difficult is it to find strings (rounds) to fit a 36" scale 6 string bass? Any off the shelf brands that will fit, or are they all special order? Can you string any sets through the body? Just wondering. — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell
Ken Smith? cb
>How difficult is it to find strings (rounds) to fit a 36" scale 6 string >bass? Any off the shelf brands that will fit, or are they all special >order? Can you string any sets through the body?
Nope, off the shelf brands won’t work. If they don’t have silk windings up to the 34" mark, they shorten the diameter at the 34" mark. As for finding them in stores, good luck. Maybe you could ask your favorite music store to supply them.
http://www.juststrings.com/ghs-ml5000.html "John Shaughnessy" <> How difficult is it to find strings (rounds) to fit a 36" scale 6 string – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> bass? Any off the shelf brands that will fit, or are they all special > order? Can you string any sets through the body? > Just wondering. > — > Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm > "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — > George Orwell
DR claims they’ll reach up to 37 1/4" but they sure won’t string through the body at that length. I’ve bought one set of Lo-Riders with a short string – it wouldn’t string through the body of my 35" Lakland that I don’t own any more :-( Fodera also makes 36" basses and might be a pretty good source for strings.
Thomastik Infeld has a 36" scale set of the Powerbass set in beta testing and shoudl have them available sometime later this year. I had 3 prototype sets and sent them out to 3 different 6 string players and you can read their reviews here: http://pub206.ezboard.com/fthedudepitfrm18.showMessage?topicID=463.topic Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
Thanks for the replies. That’s kind of what I figured, but it doesn’t hurt to ask. I was getting my neck dimensions together today, and we were debating whether to go 35" or 36" scale length. Tempting as a 36" neck is, I think I’ll stick with 35" — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How difficult is it to find strings (rounds) to fit a 36" scale 6 string > bass? Any off the shelf brands that will fit, or are they all special > order? Can you string any sets through the body? > Just wondering. > — > Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm > "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — > George Orwell
> Thanks for the replies. That’s kind of what I figured, but it doesn’t hurt > to ask. > I was getting my neck dimensions together today, and we were debating > whether to go 35" or 36" scale length. > Tempting as a 36" neck is, I think I’ll stick with 35"
I’d say that’s a good call. If you start looking locally for strings, you find that wanting a 6 string set alone gets you down to about 1 or 2 kinds per store, and a 35" scale after that causes you to start ordering. On my 35" modulus I found that normal long scale strings worked for all but the B string, so I special ordered a bunch of Bs at the local guitar store. I have found 35" 6 string sets fairly available from internet places. But 36"? Yikes! Does the term "hen’s teeth" mean anything to ya? Benj — Due to SPAM innundation above address is turned off!
Store??? What’s that?? Who buys strings from a "store"??
I have a 36" Michael Dolan bass. I love it. I really did not notice the difference after about 10 min. I use Fodera strings and am very pleased with them. I use the Fodera’s on two of my other basses as well. You need to try a 36" B string to appreciate how good it really is in XL scale. Kirk
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How difficult is it to find strings (rounds) to fit a 36" scale 6 string > bass? Any off the shelf brands that will fit, or are they all special > order? Can you string any sets through the body? > Just wondering. > — > Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm > "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — > George Orwell
Not me, never again Im afraid…. on behalf of the stores, of course Soren – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Store??? What’s that?? Who buys strings from a "store"??
>I have a 36" Michael Dolan bass.
Kirk..that wouldn’t happpen to be a tobbaco burst 36" Dolan Jazz would it? If so I witnessed it’s creation. Me and Michael Dolan with the Cheap Trick 25th Anniversary Jazz. http://a3.cpimg.com/image/0D/EF/13466893-5676-0172011E-.jpg Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
I also play upright, so I can appreciate the effect scale length has on the bottom end. That’s why the 36" idea is so tempting. The reality is, I gig so much that I need to be able to get strings for my bass without special ordering and waiting weeks or months. I already have to special order picciolo strings, which is a pain in the ass when your last G string breaks and you have a gig in two days. Also it’s no deal unless you order in bulk – an expensive roposition for 6 string sets. Plus I wouldn’t be able to get the "hook up" from my buds at the big box music stores. ; ) — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have a 36" Michael Dolan bass. I love it. I really did not notice the > difference after about 10 min. I use Fodera strings and am very pleased > with them. I use the Fodera’s on two of my other basses as well. You need > to try a 36" B string to appreciate how good it really is in XL scale. > Kirk > How difficult is it to find strings (rounds) to fit a 36" scale 6 string > bass? Any off the shelf brands that will fit, or are they all special > order? Can you string any sets through the body? > Just wondering. > — > Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm > "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary > act." — > George Orwell
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have a 36" Michael Dolan bass. I love it. I really did not notice the > difference after about 10 min. I use Fodera strings and am very pleased > with them. I use the Fodera’s on two of my other basses as well. You need > to try a 36" B string to appreciate how good it really is in XL scale. > Kirk > How difficult is it to find strings (rounds) to fit a 36" scale 6 string > bass? Any off the shelf brands that will fit, or are they all special > order? Can you string any sets through the body? > Just wondering. > — > Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm > "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary > act." — > George Orwell
i’m getting a 36" scale 3 octave Tune Spacebass fretless next week. anxious to hear the B from GOD. Fodera eh? good to know. f
No, this one is an oddball of sorts but sounds like GOD! 36" scale six string Purpleheart neck with birdseye maple fretboard (yes, the whole back of the neck is prupleheart). Oak body with birdseye maple top (yes, its oak) Lane Poor pickups RMC piezo electric bridge Pickup pan, bridge pickup pan, mid sweep and boost control, bass, treb, switch for mid boost, and what could be the best "get your ass out of the fire" switch – total active electronics bypass switch. This one heavy bitch but it sounds FANTASTIC. Get the mags blended with the piezo’s and you almost have an orgasm. Cool pic with Michael. I have never met the man but emailed and spoken to him several times (as you can imagine). I think Miichael’s stuff is very under rated, most people just don’t know about him. Kirk
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I have a 36" Michael Dolan bass. > Kirk..that wouldn’t happpen to be a tobbaco burst 36" Dolan Jazz would it? > If so I witnessed it’s creation. > Me and Michael Dolan with the Cheap Trick 25th Anniversary Jazz. > http://a3.cpimg.com/image/0D/EF/13466893-5676-0172011E-.jpg > Steve "Dude" Barr > http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! > http://www.TheDudePit.com > http://www.VintageBass.com
How many times have you broken a regular bass string? I don’t think I have ever broken one since I started changing my strings at a regular intervals. Kirk
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I also play upright, so I can appreciate the effect scale length has on the > bottom end. That’s why the 36" idea is so tempting. The reality is, I gig so > much that I need to be able to get strings for my bass without special > ordering and waiting weeks or months. > I already have to special order picciolo strings, which is a pain in the > ass when your last G string breaks and you have a gig in two days. Also > it’s no deal unless you order in bulk – an expensive roposition for 6 > string sets. > Plus I wouldn’t be able to get the "hook up" from my buds at the big box > music stores. ; ) > — > Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm > "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — > George Orwell > I have a 36" Michael Dolan bass. I love it. I really did not notice the > difference after about 10 min. I use Fodera strings and am very pleased > with them. I use the Fodera’s on two of my other basses as well. You > need > to try a 36" B string to appreciate how good it really is in XL scale. > Kirk message > > How difficult is it to find strings (rounds) to fit a 36" scale 6 string > > bass? Any off the shelf brands that will fit, or are they all special > > order? Can you string any sets through the body? > > Just wondering. > > — > > Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm > > "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary > act." — > > George Orwell
>Cool pic with Michael. I have never met the man but emailed and spoken to >him several times (as you can imagine). I think Miichael’s stuff is very >under rated, most people just don’t know about him.
I totally agree! Michael is the resident luthier on The Pit and has his own forum to ask him questions. http://pub206.ezboard.com/fthedudepitfrm33 Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
> Store??? What’s that?? Who buys strings from a "store"??
DOOD! It’s like that place ya have ta go when the big gig is coming up tonight and you are DESPERATE for a set of strings! Benj — Due to SPAM innundation above address is turned off!
>DOOD! It’s like that place ya have ta go when the big >gig is coming up tonight and you are DESPERATE for >a set of strings!
Ok I guess if you play Rotos or GHS’s.
Quite often, actually – especially in the humid summer months. I don’t know if it’s the sweat in my hands or the humidity that rots the core of the string, or both. It’s mostly the Ds and Gs, but I’ve actually had B and E strings unwind on me too. I dent up the C strings after about 3 gigs also. — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How many times have you broken a regular bass string? I don’t think I have > ever broken one since I started changing my strings at a regular intervals. > Kirk > I also play upright, so I can appreciate the effect scale length has on > the > bottom end. That’s why the 36" idea is so tempting. The reality is, I gig > so > much that I need to be able to get strings for my bass without special > ordering and waiting weeks or months. > I already have to special order picciolo strings, which is a pain in the > ass when your last G string breaks and you have a gig in two days. Also > it’s no deal unless you order in bulk – an expensive roposition for 6 > string sets. > Plus I wouldn’t be able to get the "hook up" from my buds at the big box > music stores. ; ) > — > Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm > "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary > act." — > George Orwell > > I have a 36" Michael Dolan bass. I love it. I really did not notice > the > > difference after about 10 min. I use Fodera strings and am very pleased > > with them. I use the Fodera’s on two of my other basses as well. You > need > > to try a 36" B string to appreciate how good it really is in XL scale. > > Kirk > message > > > How difficult is it to find strings (rounds) to fit a 36" scale 6 > string > > > bass? Any off the shelf brands that will fit, or are they all special > > > order? Can you string any sets through the body? > > > Just wondering. > > > — > > > Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm > > > "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary > > act." — > > > George Orwell
> > Store??? What’s that?? Who buys strings from a "store"?? > DOOD! It’s like that place ya have ta go when the big > gig is coming up tonight and you are DESPERATE for > a set of strings!
Aren’t we trying to convince Kristoff that he should buy a set of strings every time he stops by a store to try out something he has no intention of buying from them? Play along, fellows. -Donna
@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com: > http://www.juststrings.com/ghs-ml5000.html
That looks like a real good price. Wouldn’t the manufacturers website list the exact type of strings the bass wsa shipped with? Unless it’s vintage. — The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
I had another session on Sunday. I put up pictures on my IAM page and also on my home web page: http://cosmo.pasadena.ca.us/stan/tattoos/dragon/ And yes, tattoos do still hurt, but the Bactine Trick works wonders. There were parts of the session where I was telling Shannon, "I can feel the vibrations so I know you’re on top of a rib, but it doesn’t hurt". It was the most amazing thing. But even with that help, 2.5 hours was enough for one day. — Stan Schwarz | Extreme sports…offer "some kind of physical http://cosmo.pasadena.ca.us | analog to the thrill of installing Linux or | other open-source operating systems." | -Mikki Halpin, _The Geek Handbook_
> I had another session on Sunday. I put up pictures on my IAM page and > also on my home web page:
Ooh, looking nice so far!
S> http://cosmo.pasadena.ca.us/stan/tattoos/dragon/ yo, i am INTO that flamey-smokey orange stuff. nice. lish "you’re the icing on the cake 39.3% / 30 RANA 125 / 68
Please tell more about the bactine trick.
>Please tell more about the bactine trick.
After the first pass of the needle, we spray on a little Bactine. This has lidocaine in it. Let it soak in for about a minute, and then keep going. It numbs the skin where it’s been broken by the needle, and the numbing effect extends a little bit on either side as well. This works well for shading, since it typically takes several passes to fill in an area. And it works well enough that there were times when I could tell from the vibration that she was working right on a rib, but it didn’t hurt at all. Overall, it’s not bad for a cheap trick. — Stan Schwarz | Extreme sports…offer "some kind of physical http://cosmo.pasadena.ca.us | analog to the thrill of installing Linux or | other open-source operating systems." | -Mikki Halpin, _The Geek Handbook_
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->After the first pass of the needle, we spray on a little Bactine. This >has lidocaine in it. Let it soak in for about a minute, and then keep >going. It numbs the skin where it’s been broken by the needle, and the >numbing effect extends a little bit on either side as well. This works >well for shading, since it typically takes several passes to fill in >an area. And it works well enough that there were times when I could >tell from the vibration that she was working right on a rib, but it >didn’t hurt at all. >Overall, it’s not bad for a cheap trick. >– >Stan Schwarz | Extreme sports…offer "some kind of physical >http://cosmo.pasadena.ca.us | analog to the thrill of installing Linux or > | other open-source operating systems." > | -Mikki Halpin, _The Geek Handbook_
Thanks for that info. I’m going to try it next time
> After the first pass of the needle, we spray on a little Bactine. This > has lidocaine in it. Let it soak in for about a minute, and then keep > going. It numbs the skin where it’s been broken by the needle, and the > numbing effect extends a little bit on either side as well. This works > well for shading, since it typically takes several passes to fill in > an area.
So, it’s a one-time thing, or do you re-apply? You’ve said in the past that you noticed no problems is healing. Fabulous. Oh, and do you have an estimate as to how long this numbing effect lasts? Cheers! Oh yeah, and the work looks great! Carol
>> After the first pass of the needle, we spray on a little Bactine. This >So, it’s a one-time thing, or do you re-apply? You’ve said in the past that >you noticed no problems is healing. Fabulous. Oh, and do you have an >estimate as to how long this numbing effect lasts? Cheers! Oh yeah, and
You have to reapply it. The numbing effect lasts long enough on any given area, but as you progress, each time you break in a new area you have to give it a little spritz to numb it. For instance, for the shading Shannon was doing on me on Sunday, she started with the black in the center of each area. She did one pass and then sprayed it. Then she finished shading the black. Then she did one pass with the dark green next to the black. Gave that a spray and then finished it. — Stan Schwarz | Extreme sports…offer "some kind of physical http://cosmo.pasadena.ca.us | analog to the thrill of installing Linux or | other open-source operating systems." | -Mikki Halpin, _The Geek Handbook_
> >So, it’s a one-time thing, or do you re-apply? You’ve said in the past that >you noticed no problems is healing. Fabulous. Oh, and do you have an >estimate as to how long this numbing effect lasts? Cheers! Oh yeah, and > You have to reapply it. The numbing effect lasts long enough on any > given area, but as you progress, each time you break in a new area > you have to give it a little spritz to numb it. For instance, for the > shading Shannon was doing on me on Sunday, she started with the black > in the center of each area. She did one pass and then sprayed it. Then > she finished shading the black. Then she did one pass with the dark > green next to the black. Gave that a spray and then finished it.
Hmmmmmmm. Thanks for the info.
> After the first pass of the needle, we spray on a little Bactine. This > has lidocaine in it.
Mmm. Benzalkonium chloride and fragrances. I’m wondering whether the antibacterial-phobic amongst us could just make up a 2.5% lidocaine from the injectable ampoule form in normal saline or WFI, and put it in a spray bottle. Lara
>> After the first pass of the needle, we spray on a little Bactine. > This has lidocaine in it. > Mmm. Benzalkonium chloride and fragrances. I’m wondering whether the > antibacterial-phobic amongst us could just make up a 2.5% lidocaine > from the injectable ampoule form in normal saline or WFI, and put it > in a spray bottle. > Lara
I might actually be interested in that. Is lidocaine in that form available OTC? fr0glet
> > Mmm. Benzalkonium chloride and fragrances. I’m wondering whether the > antibacterial-phobic amongst us could just make up a 2.5% lidocaine > from the injectable ampoule form in normal saline or WFI, and put it > in a spray bottle. > I might actually be interested in that. Is lidocaine in that form available > OTC?
Google seems to suggest it’s available from dodgy online pharmacies. Ask your doc for an ampoule, or your pharmacist. Check and double check on your maximum total dose first; lidocaine toxicity is ugly. Lara
>> After the first pass of the needle, we spray on a little Bactine. This > has lidocaine in it. >Mmm. Benzalkonium chloride and fragrances. I’m wondering whether the >antibacterial-phobic amongst us could just make up a 2.5% lidocaine from >the injectable ampoule form in normal saline or WFI, and put it in a
I’m sure this would work just as well, provided one has access to the materials. Since the other stuff doesn’t seem to harm anything, it’s just easier for us non-medical-professionals to just buy a $3 bottle of Bactine off the shelf. — Stan Schwarz | Extreme sports…offer "some kind of physical http://cosmo.pasadena.ca.us | analog to the thrill of installing Linux or | other open-source operating systems." | -Mikki Halpin, _The Geek Handbook_
> >Mmm. Benzalkonium chloride and fragrances. I’m wondering whether the >antibacterial-phobic amongst us could just make up a 2.5% lidocaine from >the injectable ampoule form in normal saline or WFI, and put it in a > I’m sure this would work just as well, provided one has access to the > materials. Since the other stuff doesn’t seem to harm anything, it’s > just easier for us non-medical-professionals to just buy a $3 bottle > of Bactine off the shelf.
You’re happy to put more of that crap into the environment (and into your skin) because it’s more convenient; lots of people feel otherwise. http://www.tufts.edu/med/apua/Patients/antibact/antibact.html Lara
>> materials. Since the other stuff doesn’t seem to harm anything, it’s > just easier for us non-medical-professionals to just buy a $3 bottle > of Bactine off the shelf. >You’re happy to put more of that crap into the environment (and into >your skin) because it’s more convenient; lots of people feel otherwise. >http://www.tufts.edu/med/apua/Patients/antibact/antibact.html
Well, I actually do agree with you here. And if I could get hold of the proper stuff I would. But the US is kind of anal about things like this. So on a purely practical level, there’s not much more I can do personally. http://www.despair.com/ir.html — Stan Schwarz | Extreme sports…offer "some kind of physical http://cosmo.pasadena.ca.us | analog to the thrill of installing Linux or | other open-source operating systems." | -Mikki Halpin, _The Geek Handbook_
> You’re happy to put more of that crap into the environment (and into > your skin) because it’s more convenient; lots of people feel > otherwise.
Totally agree Lara. Let’s all train more bacteria to be resistant to common agents! If you are a complete wuss, try taking 2 * 500mg paracetamol a half hour before tattooing commences. (Note I said paracetamol, not aspirin or ibuprofen.)
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>After the first pass of the needle, we spray on a little Bactine. >>This has lidocaine in it. >Mmm. Benzalkonium chloride and fragrances. I’m wondering whether the >antibacterial-phobic amongst us could just make up a 2.5% lidocaine >from the injectable ampoule form in normal saline or WFI, and put it >in a spray bottle. >Lara > I might actually be interested in that. Is lidocaine in that form available > OTC?
Not in the US. I found out by happenchance that Solacaine does the same thing…. It burs bad for a moment but has a higher level of lidicaine so it lasts longer. Plus it is areosol so it is convienient. — JSin Lost Generation Custom Tattoo To reply Kill the .idiot "Swing a little more on the Devil’s dance floor" -Flogging Molly
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Mmm. Benzalkonium chloride and fragrances. I’m wondering whether the >>antibacterial-phobic amongst us could just make up a 2.5% lidocaine from >>the injectable ampoule form in normal saline or WFI, and put it in a >I’m sure this would work just as well, provided one has access to the >materials. Since the other stuff doesn’t seem to harm anything, it’s >just easier for us non-medical-professionals to just buy a $3 bottle >of Bactine off the shelf. > You’re happy to put more of that crap into the environment (and into > your skin) because it’s more convenient; lots of people feel otherwise. > http://www.tufts.edu/med/apua/Patients/antibact/antibact.html > Lara
I agree. I just had another cellulitis arise for no reason. I have had 3 in the last year. I would go to the doc get the super duper antibiotics it would go away for a while. But lo and behold it would rebound…. So this time I am letting my body deal with it. I hope it works….. In the last 10 years I have had a number of infections that I have asked for med science for help on…. my beleif is they broke me….. Now I am letting my bod suffer and learn to beat them. — JSin Lost Generation Custom Tattoo To reply Kill the .idiot "Swing a little more on the Devil’s dance floor" -Flogging Molly
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Mmm. Benzalkonium chloride and fragrances. I’m wondering whether the >>>antibacterial-phobic amongst us could just <snip> >>I’m sure this would work just as well, provided one has access to the >>materials. Since the other stuff doesn’t seem to harm anything, it’s >>just easier for us non-medical-professionals to just buy a $3 bottle >>of Bactine off the shelf. > You’re happy to put more of that crap into the environment (and into > your skin) because it’s more convenient; lots of people feel otherwise. > http://www.tufts.edu/med/apua/Patients/antibact/antibact.html > Lara >I agree. I just had another cellulitis arise for no reason. I have had 3 >in the last year. I would go to the doc get the super duper antibiotics >it would go away for a while. But lo and behold it would rebound…. So >this time I am letting my body deal with it. I hope it works….. In the >last 10 years >I have had a number of infections that I have asked for >med science for help on…. my beleif is they broke me….. >Now I am letting my bod suffer and >learn to beat them.
I’m not sure that it works that way. My understanding is that by not completing a cycle of antibiotics, the bugs that remain in your system become stronger instead of becoming "deader". Those bugs then become immune to additional antibiotic cycles "forever". You’re saying that you can kinda-sorta detox from this immunity (being immersed in antibiotics and no longer reaping their benefit) by suffering through an ailment without the use of antibiotics? Is that right? — Curt http://iam.bmezine.com/?curt http://www.curtjames.com/
> I agree. I just had another cellulitis arise for no reason. I have had 3 > in the last year. I would go to the doc get the super duper antibiotics > it would go away for a while. But lo and behold it would rebound…. So > this time I am letting my body deal with it. I hope it works…..
What kind of flowers do you like? Seriously, cellulitis is not something to trifle with. Before the advent of penicillin, people died from much less serious infections. I suppose you always took the full course of antibiotics, i.e. you took them for a while after symptoms were gone? I’d try and find a specialist. These bacteria don’t come from nowhere, you harbor them, and there are ways to get rid of them entirely. It’s not always successful, but worth a try. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot. Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net
> Not in the US. I found out by happenchance that Solacaine does the same > thing…. It burs bad for a moment but has a higher level of lidicaine > so it lasts longer. Plus it is areosol so it is convienient.
It’s also asking for an allergy against lidocaine to develop. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot. Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net
>>I agree. I just had another cellulitis arise for no reason. I have had 3 >in the last year. I would go to the doc get the super duper antibiotics >it would go away for a while. But lo and behold it would rebound…. So >this time I am letting my body deal with it. I hope it works….. > What kind of flowers do you like? > Seriously, cellulitis is not something to trifle with. Before the > advent of penicillin, people died from much less serious > infections.
Not at all being triffled with but rather allowing my bod to deal with it. I know the dangers and have been keeping a very close eye on it and it is significantly improving. > I suppose you always took the full course of antibiotics, i.e. you > took them for a while after symptoms were gone?
Yes I did. Three occasions now. One of them was in my leg and the source on that was an IV while I was hospitalized with another issue. > I’d try and find a specialist. These bacteria don’t come from > nowhere, you harbor them, and there are ways to get rid of them > entirely. It’s not always successful, but worth a try.
The statement about out of no where was more descriptive than reality. The harboring of it is as issue. I am hoping that allowing my body to deal with it will allow my own immune system to develop the antibodies to fight it off. The previous incident was delt with through IV antibiotics and under the care of a specialist. Well it bounced back again even with the full course. I also know if it stops improving that I do need to get in immediately to have it cared for. As always I place a great deal of wieght on your input on these issues but my prior experiances with this have seriously made me question wether getting professional medical care early on this has been the right thing. This is not to say if I am in serious immenant medical danger I will not seek care promptly. — JSin Lost Generation Custom Tattoo To reply Kill the .idiot "Swing a little more on the Devil’s dance floor" -Flogging Molly
>>Not in the US. I found out by happenchance that Solacaine does the same >thing…. It burs bad for a moment but has a higher level of lidicaine >so it lasts longer. Plus it is areosol so it is convienient. > It’s also asking for an allergy against lidocaine to develop.
How much exposure does it generally take to develope and allergy. I know for myself with my clumsyness I have had to have it injected by the Doc for stiches and the like far nore often than I have used it on areas where discomfort with tattooing has required it. I’m not asking for an exact number of exposures or anything but what frequency would likely signify being at risk? — JSin Lost Generation Custom Tattoo To reply Kill the .idiot "Swing a little more on the Devil’s dance floor" -Flogging Molly
> > It’s also asking for an allergy against lidocaine to develop. > How much exposure does it generally take to develope and allergy. I know > for myself with my clumsyness I have had to have it injected by the Doc > for stiches and the like far nore often than I have used it on areas > where discomfort with tattooing has required it. > I’m not asking for an exact number of exposures or anything but what > frequency would likely signify being at risk?
I don’t think you can put that in numbers. Repeated use is an issue. Can happen the second time or the 325th, or any time in between, or never. To be fair, allergies agains lidocaine are rarer than against other topical anesthetics. Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot. Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net
> The statement about out of no where was more descriptive than reality. > The harboring of it is as issue. I am hoping that allowing my body to > deal with it will allow my own immune system to develop the antibodies > to fight it off.
The problem is, it most likely wouldn’t work because basically, they’re faster than your immune system. It takes a couple of days before effective antibody production is even initiated. You risk spreading of the infection to deeper tissues if you wait before getting treatment. Any underlying causes have been ruled out? e.g. diabetes, compromised immune system? In veterinary medicine at least we have the option to make a vaccine out of a single strain isolated from an individual animal or stable… > This is not to say if I am in serious immenant medical danger I will not > seek care promptly.
Just don’t die on us, ok? Nina — C’est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot. Louis Pasteur http://www.chaotropic.net
I am in the process of starting a new band. At a recent jam a singer/guitar player joined us. He has a very good voice and plays guitar well. I started talking to him at break to ask if he was interested in joining the band. He said "yes". But that was all he said. Then I asked him what songs he likes to sing. He rattled off the titles to about 10 songs but not a word of it was in English. After talking a while longer I found out that he just moved here from Bulgaria. When he sings he sings perfect English. He even has a southern accent on some songs. I decided to bring him in to the band because he is really good. But I can’t imagine him being our front man. Maybe we can incorporate some SNL "we are two wild and crazy guys" stuff in to our act. Pt
John Kay, the leader of Steppenwolf, was born in East Germany, raised behind the Iron Curtain, and didn’t move to the West until he was a teenager. It could happen, y’know. Your guy might have one hell of a fire burning in him. Edward G. — "You don’t always get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get." –Don King —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am in the process of starting a new band. > At a recent jam a singer/guitar player joined us. > He has a very good voice and plays guitar well. > I started talking to him at break to ask if he was interested in > joining the band. > He said "yes". > But that was all he said. > Then I asked him what songs he likes to sing. > He rattled off the titles to about 10 songs but not a word of it was > in English. > After talking a while longer I found out that he just moved here from > Bulgaria. > When he sings he sings perfect English. > He even has a southern accent on some songs. > I decided to bring him in to the band because he is really good. > But I can’t imagine him being our front man. > Maybe we can incorporate some SNL "we are two wild and crazy guys" > stuff in to our act. > Pt
My band has a foreign singer too,he’s an American. I keep telling him "Wup yo booty" is’nt English …. SR
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am in the process of starting a new band. > At a recent jam a singer/guitar player joined us. > He has a very good voice and plays guitar well. > I started talking to him at break to ask if he was interested in > joining the band. > He said "yes". > But that was all he said. > Then I asked him what songs he likes to sing. > He rattled off the titles to about 10 songs but not a word of it was > in English. > After talking a while longer I found out that he just moved here from > Bulgaria. > When he sings he sings perfect English. > He even has a southern accent on some songs. > I decided to bring him in to the band because he is really good. > But I can’t imagine him being our front man. > Maybe we can incorporate some SNL "we are two wild and crazy guys" > stuff in to our act. > Pt
>After talking a while longer I found out that he just moved here from >Bulgaria. >When he sings he sings perfect English. >He even has a southern accent on some songs. >I decided to bring him in to the band because he is really good. >But I can’t imagine him being our front man. >Maybe we can incorporate some SNL "we are two wild and crazy guys" >stuff in to our act. >Pt
Why can’t he be the front man? Audience interaction? Pshaw. I saw Cheap Trick a couple of weeks back and Robin Zander didn’t speak word one into the mike. Sang plenty, of course. But he left the "stage banter" to Rick Nielsen. Odd, yeah, but it worked …
>>After talking a while longer I found out that he just moved here from >Bulgaria. >When he sings he sings perfect English. >He even has a southern accent on some songs. >I decided to bring him in to the band because he is really good. >But I can’t imagine him being our front man.
Why not? I think it would be a badass gimmick. As long as he can talk without stuttering and is relatively understandable, he could be a killer frontman. Then everyone will know your band as "the band with that foreign guy who sings."
>got any more like the first one you can put up? I dig that catchy Big >Star/Cheap Trick/Jellyfish stuff.
Working on it. Back in the studio this coming weekend, and at least one of the tunes in the list is along the same lines as that first one.
got any more like the first one you can put up? I dig that catchy Big Star/Cheap Trick/Jellyfish stuff. — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm
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I dig it, especially the first tune. That’s all you need to know. — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Music a little too conservative/trite for my tastes…third song I like the >best though. > It’s pop. >Mastering sounds a little weak/brittle/limp too. >I just compared this to my stuff (sorry couldn’t help it) and right away you >will notice my band’s sound is fuller, louder, and bigger. Perhaps that was >the vibe the project you are in was going for, but it just sounded weak and >small to me. If I were involved with it, I would have maintaned the indy >vibe but brought stuff out a lot more. > Well, these haven’t been EQ mastered, which will happen when they and > the other 9 go to the final CD master later in December. I know from > previous projects I’ve worked on that EQ mastering can make a world of > difference in the final product. > (I think the fact they’re MP3s has something to do with it too, but > that’s just me.) > Thanks for the feedback. Sure to be discussed when we get into the > studio next week. >http://cdbaby.com/allmp3/echofission.m3u >(2 minute clips of every song on the album) > I like this idea.
>Music a little too conservative/trite for my tastes…third song I like the >best though.
It’s pop. >Mastering sounds a little weak/brittle/limp too. >I just compared this to my stuff (sorry couldn’t help it) and right away you >will notice my band’s sound is fuller, louder, and bigger. Perhaps that was >the vibe the project you are in was going for, but it just sounded weak and >small to me. If I were involved with it, I would have maintaned the indy >vibe but brought stuff out a lot more.
Well, these haven’t been EQ mastered, which will happen when they and the other 9 go to the final CD master later in December. I know from previous projects I’ve worked on that EQ mastering can make a world of difference in the final product. (I think the fact they’re MP3s has something to do with it too, but that’s just me.) Thanks for the feedback. Sure to be discussed when we get into the studio next week. >http://cdbaby.com/allmp3/echofission.m3u >(2 minute clips of every song on the album)
I like this idea.
>Music a little too conservative/trite for my tastes…third song I like the >best though. > It’s pop.
True, but you can still have pop and be original? It is hard to do, but that is the challenge! Wright a 4 minute pop song that sounds original… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Mastering sounds a little weak/brittle/limp too. >I just compared this to my stuff (sorry couldn’t help it) and right away you >will notice my band’s sound is fuller, louder, and bigger. Perhaps that was >the vibe the project you are in was going for, but it just sounded weak and >small to me. If I were involved with it, I would have maintaned the indy >vibe but brought stuff out a lot more. > Well, these haven’t been EQ mastered, which will happen when they and > the other 9 go to the final CD master later in December. I know from > previous projects I’ve worked on that EQ mastering can make a world of > difference in the final product.
They need something besides EQ…perhaps a warmer type plug-in (PSP Warmer works really well) and the mix doesn’t seem wide enough to me…just my tastes though… > (I think the fact they’re MP3s has something to do with it too, but > that’s just me.)
A little, that is why I put mine up as a comparison…I don’t think the mp3’s you posted are even 128Kbps though, but I can tell the mixes need a little work. > Thanks for the feedback.
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My ISP has been having problems with their web servers lately. Hopefully they’ve gotten them fixed (they seem to be working now) … I’ve put up three clips from a band I’ve been working with this year … let me know what you think. http://www.geocities.com/fightingbrosmccarthy/songs.html
Music a little too conservative/trite for my tastes…third song I like the best though. Mastering sounds a little weak/brittle/limp too. I just compared this to my stuff (sorry couldn’t help it) and right away you will notice my band’s sound is fuller, louder, and bigger. Perhaps that was the vibe the project you are in was going for, but it just sounded weak and small to me. If I were involved with it, I would have maintaned the indy vibe but brought stuff out a lot more. http://cdbaby.com/allmp3/echofission.m3u (2 minute clips of every song on the album)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My ISP has been having problems with their web servers lately. > Hopefully they’ve gotten them fixed (they seem to be working now) … > I’ve put up three clips from a band I’ve been working with this year > … let me know what you think. > http://www.geocities.com/fightingbrosmccarthy/songs.html
> My ISP has been having problems with their web servers lately. > Hopefully they’ve gotten them fixed (they seem to be working now) … > I’ve put up three clips from a band I’ve been working with this year > … let me know what you think. > http://www.geocities.com/fightingbrosmccarthy/songs.html
Nice stuff. I really like Try Me On, great Brittish retro vibe. Could have been a Rutles song. JMH
folks, let me tell you… there is a JACKASS named Seth Matkowsky from New Jersey who is selling illegal bootleg videos of former Allman Bros and Govt Mule bassist Allen Woody. The bass instructional video is cataloged by Arlen Roth of the Hot Licks Video series, and is titled " Allen Woody Classic Rock and Blues Bass." I thought they were no longer available and felt lucky when I found one he had for sale on ebay. What I received was an unlabeled VHS tape with poor quality that unbelievably even had the final minutes of an episode from HBO taxicab confessions still on the tape after the instructional show ended. People, Allen Woody is dead… He is survived by his wife Jenny, his daughter Savannah, and his father Doug. It is quite possible that these folks are being cheated by this scum. I have looked at his feedback subsequent to selling me this bootleg and I have seen more of these videos being sold. I have contacted Govt Mules management, Arlen Roth of Hot Licks and Hitting the Note the Allman Bros webstore and these three outlets are all TRUE distributors of said video. It IS still available and quite informative and entertaining. If you think this is a joke or not on the level then do a search using his name. You will see where others have posted on the internet in regards to his untrustworthiness. He also appears to be selling other boots as well. I can only hope that somehow he gets a collective copyright boot up his ass, the scumbag. Yes, I did contact ebay, No they probably wont do a damn thing to him. You can reach this piece of dirt here: Seth Matkowsky 108 Woodsville Marshal Rd Hopewell, NJ 08525 Seth, if you are reading this envision me giving you the middle finger…cause I AM you DINK!!!
FYI he uses the ebay screen name "gratefuldaddy"
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> folks, let me tell you… > there is a JACKASS named Seth Matkowsky from New Jersey who is selling > illegal bootleg videos of former Allman Bros and Govt Mule bassist Allen > Woody. The bass instructional video is cataloged by Arlen Roth of the Hot > Licks Video series, and is titled " Allen Woody Classic Rock and Blues > Bass." > I thought they were no longer available and felt lucky when I found one he > had for sale on ebay. What I received was an unlabeled VHS tape with poor > quality that unbelievably even had the final minutes of an episode from HBO > taxicab confessions still on the tape after the instructional show ended. > People, Allen Woody is dead… > He is survived by his wife Jenny, his daughter Savannah, and his father > Doug. It is quite possible that these folks are being cheated by this scum. > I have looked at his feedback subsequent to selling me this bootleg and I > have seen more of these videos being sold. > I have contacted Govt Mules management, Arlen Roth of Hot Licks and Hitting > the Note the Allman Bros webstore and these three outlets are all TRUE > distributors of said video. It IS still available and quite informative and > entertaining. > If you think this is a joke or not on the level then do a search using his > name. You will see where others have posted on the internet in regards to > his untrustworthiness. He also appears to be selling other boots as well. > I can only hope that somehow he gets a collective copyright boot up his ass, > the scumbag. > Yes, I did contact ebay, No they probably wont do a damn thing to him. > You can reach this piece of dirt here: > Seth Matkowsky 108 Woodsville Marshal Rd Hopewell, NJ 08525 > Seth, if you are reading this envision me giving you the middle > finger…cause I AM you DINK!!!
eBay does actually have rules against copies like this, and at least used to take them very seriously. Copyright violations are one of the few things that get replies. GTO(John)
so why does this guy not have any negative feedback? Not even from you? Mar
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> FYI he uses the ebay screen name "gratefuldaddy" > folks, let me tell you… > there is a JACKASS named Seth Matkowsky from New Jersey who is selling > illegal bootleg videos of former Allman Bros and Govt Mule bassist Allen > Woody. The bass instructional video is cataloged by Arlen Roth of the Hot > Licks Video series, and is titled " Allen Woody Classic Rock and Blues > Bass." > I thought they were no longer available and felt lucky when I found one he > had for sale on ebay. What I received was an unlabeled VHS tape with > poor > quality that unbelievably even had the final minutes of an episode from > HBO > taxicab confessions still on the tape after the instructional show ended. > People, Allen Woody is dead… > He is survived by his wife Jenny, his daughter Savannah, and his father > Doug. It is quite possible that these folks are being cheated by this > scum. > I have looked at his feedback subsequent to selling me this bootleg and I > have seen more of these videos being sold. > I have contacted Govt Mules management, Arlen Roth of Hot Licks and > Hitting > the Note the Allman Bros webstore and these three outlets are all TRUE > distributors of said video. It IS still available and quite informative > and > entertaining. > If you think this is a joke or not on the level then do a search using his > name. You will see where others have posted on the internet in regards to > his untrustworthiness. He also appears to be selling other boots as well. > I can only hope that somehow he gets a collective copyright boot up his > ass, > the scumbag. > Yes, I did contact ebay, No they probably wont do a damn thing to him. > You can reach this piece of dirt here: > Seth Matkowsky 108 Woodsville Marshal Rd Hopewell, NJ 08525 > Seth, if you are reading this envision me giving you the middle > finger…cause I AM you DINK!!!
If you look at his ebay membership status you would see that he became a member on Oct 23 2002. He has only made 20 transactions under the screen name "gratefuldaddy." He could have made more under another name. I say this because if you do the web search with his name you will see that he has changed emails since being posted as a BAD TRADER. At any rate look at the auctions who have posted feedback since and notice that he appears also to have an abundance of DVDs titled OZZY/RANDY RHODES LIVE that he is selling along with the guarantee of "200% better quality than you will find anywhere or your money back" I don’t know about you, but to me it sounds like some punk cranking them out on his bedroom computer. If you read my original post you heard me mention that my "instructional video" had the tail end of an episode of HBO Taxicab Confessions after the Allen Woody movie ended, which means he didn’t even give-a-shit about what was on the tape before using it to bootleg the Allen Woody instructional video on it. As for me, I kept giving him time to reconsider our auction and refund my money. The auction took place a week before the holidays and there were periods of days going by with no response. Unfortunately ebay doesn’t give you unlimited time to post feedback. The guy got more than his chance to refund me and would not. It is not just the money, anybody who has ever made a release of any kind knows the struggle it takes to get something out, I know I do. If I thought for one minute that he was bootlegging I would have never offered to compensate him for his dishonesty in cheating the rightful owners of their works. I honestly thought he was just someone who had bought the video and either didn’t like it or needed the money. Sometimes I have the problem of just assuming the best in people before I find out different.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> so why does this guy not have any negative feedback? Not even from you? > Mar > FYI he uses the ebay screen name "gratefuldaddy" > > folks, let me tell you… > > there is a JACKASS named Seth Matkowsky from New Jersey who is selling > > illegal bootleg videos of former Allman Bros and Govt Mule bassist Allen > > Woody. The bass instructional video is cataloged by Arlen Roth of the > Hot > > Licks Video series, and is titled " Allen Woody Classic Rock and Blues > > Bass." > > I thought they were no longer available and felt lucky when I found one > he > > had for sale on ebay. What I received was an unlabeled VHS tape with > poor > > quality that unbelievably even had the final minutes of an episode from > HBO > > taxicab confessions still on the tape after the instructional show > ended. > > People, Allen Woody is dead… > > He is survived by his wife Jenny, his daughter Savannah, and his father > > Doug. It is quite possible that these folks are being cheated by this > scum. > > I have looked at his feedback subsequent to selling me this bootleg and > I > > have seen more of these videos being sold. > > I have contacted Govt Mules management, Arlen Roth of Hot Licks and > Hitting > > the Note the Allman Bros webstore and these three outlets are all TRUE > > distributors of said video. It IS still available and quite informative > and > > entertaining. > > If you think this is a joke or not on the level then do a search using > his > > name. You will see where others have posted on the internet in regards > to > > his untrustworthiness. He also appears to be selling other boots as > well. > > I can only hope that somehow he gets a collective copyright boot up his > ass, > > the scumbag. > > Yes, I did contact ebay, No they probably wont do a damn thing to him. > > You can reach this piece of dirt here: > > Seth Matkowsky 108 Woodsville Marshal Rd Hopewell, NJ 08525 > > Seth, if you are reading this envision me giving you the middle > > finger…cause I AM you DINK!!!
has not left negative feedback <snip> > As for me, I kept giving him time to reconsider our auction and refund my > money. The auction took place a week before the holidays and there were > periods of days going by with no response. Unfortunately ebay doesn’t give > you unlimited time to post feedback.
<snip> That’s funny, I know they display a list of your transactions for the last 90 days that you can look at, and leave feedback for when you log into "MY Ebay" with your user account and go to the "Feedback" tab. And if you have the auction number, you can indeed post feedback long after 90 days have passed. So what holidays where those again?
Hey dude, I feel your pain. Buyer beware though, especially when it comes to obscure stuff like that. Not dissing you–the notice to look out for this guy’s auction is appreciated.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If you look at his ebay membership status you would see that he became a > member on Oct 23 2002. > He has only made 20 transactions under the screen name "gratefuldaddy." He > could have made more under another name. I say this because if you do the > web search with his name you will see that he has changed emails since being > posted as a BAD TRADER. > At any rate look at the auctions who have posted feedback since and notice > that he appears also to have an abundance of DVDs titled OZZY/RANDY RHODES > LIVE that he is selling along with the guarantee of > "200% better quality than you will find anywhere or your money back" > I don’t know about you, but to me it sounds like some punk cranking them out > on his bedroom computer. > If you read my original post you heard me mention that my "instructional > video" had the tail end of an episode of HBO Taxicab Confessions after the > Allen Woody movie ended, which means he didn’t even give-a-shit about what > was on the tape before using it to bootleg the Allen Woody instructional > video on it. > As for me, I kept giving him time to reconsider our auction and refund my > money. The auction took place a week before the holidays and there were > periods of days going by with no response. Unfortunately ebay doesn’t give > you unlimited time to post feedback. The guy got more than his chance to > refund me and would not. It is not just the money, anybody who has ever made > a release of any kind knows the struggle it takes to get something out, I > know I do. > If I thought for one minute that he was bootlegging I would have never > offered to compensate him for his dishonesty in cheating the rightful owners > of their works. > I honestly thought he was just someone who had bought the video and either > didn’t like it or needed the money. Sometimes I have the problem of just > assuming the best in people before I find out different. > so why does this guy not have any negative feedback? Not even from you? > Mar > > FYI he uses the ebay screen name "gratefuldaddy" > > > folks, let me tell you… > > > there is a JACKASS named Seth Matkowsky from New Jersey who is selling > > > illegal bootleg videos of former Allman Bros and Govt Mule bassist > Allen > > > Woody. The bass instructional video is cataloged by Arlen Roth of the > Hot > > > Licks Video series, and is titled " Allen Woody Classic Rock and Blues > > > Bass." > > > I thought they were no longer available and felt lucky when I found > one > he > > > had for sale on ebay. What I received was an unlabeled VHS tape with > > poor > > > quality that unbelievably even had the final minutes of an episode > from > > HBO > > > taxicab confessions still on the tape after the instructional show > ended. > > > People, Allen Woody is dead… > > > He is survived by his wife Jenny, his daughter Savannah, and his > father > > > Doug. It is quite possible that these folks are being cheated by this > > scum. > > > I have looked at his feedback subsequent to selling me this bootleg > and > I > > > have seen more of these videos being sold. > > > I have contacted Govt Mules management, Arlen Roth of Hot Licks and > > Hitting > > > the Note the Allman Bros webstore and these three outlets are all TRUE > > > distributors of said video. It IS still available and quite > informative > > and > > > entertaining. > > > If you think this is a joke or not on the level then do a search using > his > > > name. You will see where others have posted on the internet in regards > to > > > his untrustworthiness. He also appears to be selling other boots as > well. > > > I can only hope that somehow he gets a collective copyright boot up > his > > ass, > > > the scumbag. > > > Yes, I did contact ebay, No they probably wont do a damn thing to him. > > > You can reach this piece of dirt here: > > > Seth Matkowsky 108 Woodsville Marshal Rd Hopewell, NJ 08525 > > > Seth, if you are reading this envision me giving you the middle > > > finger…cause I AM you DINK!!!
yea Clutch that is funny, ya know… I thought when I saw the auction disappear off the "items I have won" column after 30 days, (which btw is as long as the My ebay page will let me save it), I didn’t even think to try to go back with the auction item number which, thankfully, still got me to that same auction and provided me a way to leave feedback. The holidays I implied would be the ones just celebrated, of course. I almost want to thank you but, I don’t feel you were trying to help me. You sound like someone hoping to catch me lying about this. Pardon me, if I make the wrong assumption of you, as we have not been formally introduced. How do you do, Clutch. My name is Marc Lofland aka SpaceCowboy. I live in non-racist Biloxi MS. I am co-founder of the industrial bluegrass experimental music band called The August Sons (1989-95). During that time we built two commercial recording studios (MS had none in our area) and made 5 releases, (1) 45 (1) 12" (1)cassette and (2)CD’s. We recorded many local bands including members of 3 Doors Down. We have toured around the United States in support of our 4 self-produced releases. The 5th and last one (Plants, Planets, and Insects ER002) was recorded by us but distributed by El recordo in Seattle www.pacificorecs.com along with Silkworm, Joel Phelps and others. One of our biggest fans is a guy from Chicago named Steve Albini who was a member of the bands, Shellac, Big Black and has also been producer for The Breeders, Urge Overkill, PJ Harvey, Nirvana, Bush, Cheap Trick, and Page & Plant among others. He may know a thing or two about originals. Our songs, 7 of which charted in the College Music Journal and 2 on the Gavin Report, were in the top ten every time. This material was targeted to the college underground radio crowd. Among the 17 basses I use in my current project include two of the three ebony-mahogany one-string basses I handmade. The third was commissioned and delivered to Allen Woody in New Orleans 1/16/96 after a Gov’t Mule show at the House of Blues. My one-string is also mentioned in the Oct 95 issue of BASSPLAYER magazine on page 40 of the Mike Watt interview. He came to my show at a place called The Nick in Birmingham AL after his show at the town festival going on that same night and saw me playing it there. Another one of my treasures is a Beatle Bass given to me by Allen Woody for making his one-string bass. I also have a white strat and (god forbid) two 5-string banjos (one is a pre-war Washburn from the 1890’s). Well clutch, as you can see although my life has not always been profitable, it has been busy and I sure know a thing or two about sacrificing for your art. To me, copyrights are to be taken seriously. So, to those of you who may seem to doubt or mistrust my intentions because I had yet to leave feedback, I proclaim " I have now left the feedback for you and all the world to see." To see it yourself, here is some help: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1981292344&ssPageN… E:X:BN:US:2 I hope this works as I am a bassist not a webmaster. For Niles and GTO (who I appreciate your compassion in my dilemma) you are the kind of people I was trying to help, fellow bassist who aren’t looking down their nose at me. I have lost my money, I was trying to use my bad experience to help you and others like you from losing theirs. This just in, Christine King of the Allman Bros webstore in contact with Arlen Roth at Hot Licks Productions and he will use this information to put a stop to this bootlegger. Original material doesn’t matter much to certain people who may not (for whatever reason) have the capability to make original material that doesn’t sound like it was written by a 2nd grader. I know that not all bassists live for to put out original material, some are happy to just play covers at their neighborhood bar or in a friends living room. There is nothing wrong with that, everyone has done it at one time or another. Clutch, I don’t expect you to understand what others sacrifice to create and produce originals, if you did, you probably would have come off differently to me like " hey SpaceCowboy, you need to go put some feedback on that guy so others can be forewarned." But instead you chose a snide remark. How petty.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > has not left negative feedback > <snip> > As for me, I kept giving him time to reconsider our auction and refund my > money. The auction took place a week before the holidays and there were > periods of days going by with no response. Unfortunately ebay doesn’t give > you unlimited time to post feedback. > <snip> > That’s funny, I know they display a list of your transactions for the last > 90 days that you can look at, and leave feedback for when you log into "MY > Ebay" with your user account and go to the "Feedback" tab. And if you have > the auction number, you can indeed post feedback long after 90 days have > passed. > So what holidays where those again?
I really didn’t think you were lying, but you can see how it looked funny how you blsted the guy, but there was no negative feedback at all left for him. I’m glad you neg’d him, and I hope he won’t get you back. I left negative feedback for somebody, and he left me one for no reason. By the way, the dispute was also about violation of copyright, the guy was taking scans of a parts book and selling the scans instead of the original. to this day he doesn’t understand that is against the law. Click on this link and you will see my feedback http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewFeedbac… d=thefinleys&items=25
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> yea Clutch that is funny, ya know… > I thought when I saw the auction disappear off the "items I have won" > column after 30 days, (which btw is as long as the My ebay page will let me > save it), I didn’t even think to try to go back with the auction item > number which, thankfully, still got me to that same auction and provided me > a way to leave feedback. > The holidays I implied would be the ones just celebrated, of course. > I almost want to thank you but, I don’t feel you were trying to help me. You > sound like someone hoping to catch me lying about this. Pardon me, if I make > the wrong assumption of you, as we have not been formally introduced. How do > you do, Clutch. > My name is Marc Lofland aka SpaceCowboy. I live in non-racist Biloxi MS. I > am co-founder of the industrial bluegrass experimental music band called The > August Sons (1989-95). During that time we built two commercial recording > studios (MS had none in our area) and made 5 releases, (1) 45 (1) 12" > (1)cassette and (2)CD’s. We recorded many local bands including members of 3 > Doors Down. We have toured around the United States in support of our 4 > self-produced releases. The 5th and last one (Plants, Planets, and Insects > ER002) was recorded by us but distributed by El recordo in Seattle > www.pacificorecs.com along with Silkworm, Joel Phelps and others. One of > our biggest fans is a guy from Chicago named Steve Albini who was a member > of the bands, Shellac, Big Black and has also been producer for The > Breeders, Urge Overkill, PJ Harvey, Nirvana, Bush, Cheap Trick, and Page & > Plant among others. He may know a thing or two about originals. Our songs, 7 > of which charted in the College Music Journal and 2 on the Gavin Report, > were in the top ten every time. This material was targeted to the college > underground radio crowd. > Among the 17 basses I use in my current project include two of the three > ebony-mahogany one-string basses I handmade. The third was commissioned and > delivered to Allen Woody in New Orleans 1/16/96 after a Gov’t Mule show at > the House of Blues. My one-string is also mentioned in the Oct 95 issue of > BASSPLAYER magazine on page 40 of the Mike Watt interview. He came to my > show at a place called The Nick in Birmingham AL after his show at the town > festival going on that same night and saw me playing it there. Another one > of my treasures is a Beatle Bass given to me by Allen Woody for making his > one-string bass. I also have a white strat and (god forbid) two 5-string > banjos (one is a pre-war Washburn from the 1890’s). > Well clutch, as you can see although my life has not always been profitable, > it has been busy and I sure know a thing or two about sacrificing for your > art. To me, copyrights are to be taken seriously. > So, to those of you who may seem to doubt or mistrust my intentions because > I had yet to leave feedback, I proclaim " I have now left the feedback for > you and all the world to see." > To see it yourself, here is some help:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1981292344&ssPageN… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> E:X:BN:US:2 > I hope this works as I am a bassist not a webmaster. > For Niles and GTO (who I appreciate your compassion in my dilemma) you are > the kind of people I was trying to help, fellow bassist who aren’t looking > down their nose at me. I have lost my money, I was trying to use my bad > experience to help you and others like you from losing theirs. > This just in, Christine King of the Allman Bros webstore > in contact with Arlen Roth at Hot Licks Productions and he will use this > information to put a stop to this bootlegger. > Original material doesn’t matter much to certain people who may not (for > whatever reason) have the capability to make original material that doesn’t > sound like it was written by a 2nd grader. > I know that not all bassists live for to put out original material, some are > happy to just play covers at their neighborhood bar or in a friends living > room. There is nothing wrong with that, everyone has done it at one time or > another. Clutch, I don’t expect you to understand what others sacrifice to > create and produce originals, if you did, you probably would have come off > differently to me like " hey SpaceCowboy, you need to go put some feedback > on that guy so others can be forewarned." > But instead you chose a snide remark. How petty. he > has not left negative feedback > <snip> > > As for me, I kept giving him time to reconsider our auction and refund > my > > money. The auction took place a week before the holidays and there were > > periods of days going by with no response. Unfortunately ebay doesn’t > give > > you unlimited time to post feedback. > <snip> > That’s funny, I know they display a list of your transactions for the last > 90 days that you can look at, and leave feedback for when you log into "MY > Ebay" with your user account and go to the "Feedback" tab. And if you have > the auction number, you can indeed post feedback long after 90 days have > passed. > So what holidays where those again?
> yea Clutch that is funny, ya know… > I thought when I saw the auction disappear off the "items I have won" > column after 30 days, (which btw is as long as the My ebay page will let me > save it), I didn’t even think to try to go back with the auction item > number which, thankfully, still got me to that same auction and provided me > a way to leave feedback.
Actually there was that whole column under "feedback" in your "My Ebay" I suppose I just assumed you would have looked there, or under the feedback forum presented in the "Community" function accessible from just about anywhere on Ebay. A poor assumption obviously. > The holidays I implied would be the ones just celebrated, of course. > I almost want to thank you but, I don’t feel you were trying to help me. You > sound like someone hoping to catch me lying about this. Pardon me, if I make > the wrong assumption of you, as we have not been formally introduced. How do > you do, Clutch.
You know, you’re right. I hadn’t really thought it through either way. Perhaps it’s just too many years using internet message boards and usenet that have made me a bit cynical whenever I see an inconsistancy, I immediately begin looking for alternative angles. I’ve seen too many personal vendettas, and slanderous attacks come out on-line that I suppose I just expect them. In this instance, I was actually directing you to the means to leave feedback, albeit in my own sarcastic, and skeptical fashion. But you are correct, it was a fairly combative statement, and for that I do apologize. > My name is Marc Lofland aka SpaceCowboy….
<snip lengthy biography of information that I infact, did not know about Marc Lofland> >I know that not all bassists live for to put out original material, some are >happy to just play covers at their neighborhood bar or in a friends living >room. There is nothing wrong with that, everyone has done it at one time or >another.Clutch, I don’t expect you to understand what others sacrifice to > create and produce originals, if you did, you probably would have come off > differently to me like " hey SpaceCowboy, you need to go put some feedback > on that guy so others can be forewarned." But instead you chose a snide
remark. How petty. That’s kind of like "Hello Kettle, I’m Pot. You’re black!" isn’t it? I commented because you were asked a question, and your answer was indicative of either you not knowing the Ebay user interface very well, or 2) you were not in a position to leave feedback. I’d return the introduction, but there’s just something about the manner in which yours was delivered, that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I hope our next meeting/exchange on this group will be of a friendlier, more constructive nature. G’day.
yea clutch, you want to be friends? That’s fine with me. I did not enter into this newsgroup to get into an altercation with its members. On the contrary, I appreciate and enjoy listening to the conversation and advice all the way cool people such as Rob K, Purple Lin & Bud, Alun P, Kristoff, and everyone are so willing to give worldwide to other members, even strangers to the newsgroup. It is an ideal community of people who share the common bond of being the glue that holds the guitar and the drums together in a band. The folks in this group are something special the like I have yet to see anywhere else. There is a definite harmony here for the asking. In response to the kindness I have seen shown by them to others, including myself occasionally, I thought I might return the favor by warning bassists who may be interested about buying a bass instructional video starring a former friend who died in Aug 2000. I felt that by doing so I was not only helping other bassists, but I was also honoring my friendship with the deceased and his survivors by hopefully warning people about the bootlegging operation by the crook in NJ. If you have a bad taste in your mouth, remember this, YOU gave the bad taste to me first. There is a saying we have in Mississippi, home of the blues… "Don’t kick the dog and expect not to get bit"
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> yea Clutch that is funny, ya know… > I thought when I saw the auction disappear off the "items I have won" > column after 30 days, (which btw is as long as the My ebay page will let > me > save it), I didn’t even think to try to go back with the auction item > number which, thankfully, still got me to that same auction and provided > me > a way to leave feedback. > Actually there was that whole column under "feedback" in your "My Ebay" I > suppose I just assumed you would have looked there, or under the feedback > forum presented in the "Community" function accessible from just about > anywhere on Ebay. A poor assumption obviously. > The holidays I implied would be the ones just celebrated, of course. > I almost want to thank you but, I don’t feel you were trying to help me. > You > sound like someone hoping to catch me lying about this. Pardon me, if I > make > the wrong assumption of you, as we have not been formally introduced. How > do > you do, Clutch. > You know, you’re right. I hadn’t really thought it through either way. > Perhaps it’s just too many years using internet message boards and usenet > that have made me a bit cynical whenever I see an inconsistancy, I > immediately begin looking for alternative angles. I’ve seen too many > personal vendettas, and slanderous attacks come out on-line that I suppose I > just expect them. In this instance, I was actually directing you to the > means to leave feedback, albeit in my own sarcastic, and skeptical fashion. > But you are correct, it was a fairly combative statement, and for that I do > apologize. > My name is Marc Lofland aka SpaceCowboy…. > <snip lengthy biography of information that I infact, did not know about > Marc Lofland> >I know that not all bassists live for to put out original material, some > are >happy to just play covers at their neighborhood bar or in a friends living >room. There is nothing wrong with that, everyone has done it at one time or >another.Clutch, I don’t expect you to understand what others sacrifice to > create and produce originals, if you did, you probably would have come off > differently to me like " hey SpaceCowboy, you need to go put some feedback > on that guy so others can be forewarned." But instead you chose a snide > remark. How petty. > That’s kind of like "Hello Kettle, I’m Pot. You’re black!" isn’t it? I > commented because you were asked a question, and your answer was indicative > of either you not knowing the Ebay user interface very well, or 2) you were > not in a position to leave feedback. > I’d return the introduction, but there’s just something about the manner in > which yours was delivered, that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I hope our > next meeting/exchange on this group will be of a friendlier, more > constructive nature. > G’day.
> There is a saying we have in Mississippi, home of the blues… > "Don’t kick the dog and expect not to get bit"
Fair enough. Though I think a thicker skin would serve you well on usenet. My comments were hardly what I would consider scathing, but as I admitted in my earlier post, could have, and should have been worded better. Now, let us get back to what this group is about…. Peace.
Ok, who appointed us a moderator? And who is it? I don’t recall having a vote….LOL! Nikki ******* I am who I am You’re approval is neither Desired nor required ******* "When you throw mud at someone, remember you are the one who is losing ground." ******* "He that can’t endure the bad will not live to see the good." *******
Nikki this person (cough cough) tried to pull a cheap trick on us all. Ronnie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ok, who appointed us a moderator? And who is it? I don’t recall having a > vote….LOL! > Nikki > ******* > I am who I am > You’re approval is neither > Desired nor required > ******* > "When you throw mud at someone, remember you are the > one who is losing ground." > ******* > "He that can’t endure the bad will not live to see the good." > *******
I might be totally wrong here, but is this modeRATor the person who was causing all the troll problems over the weekend? Stacy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Nikki this person (cough cough) tried to pull a cheap trick on us all. > Ronnie > Ok, who appointed us a moderator? And who is it? I don’t recall having a > vote….LOL! > Nikki > ******* > I am who I am > You’re approval is neither > Desired nor required > ******* > "When you throw mud at someone, remember you are the > one who is losing ground." > ******* > "He that can’t endure the bad will not live to see the good." > *******