Grin with Nils Lofgren – local band in my old hometown – Baltimore area. I saw them when they were nobody. Then they came out with White Lies and things changed for them, but not overnight. Nils Lofgren has some excellent music just to listen to. Trower – man, I had forgotten about all his great tunes… Day of the eagle, whiskey train, the fool and me… I saw him play way back when he was an opening act and soon thereafter as the headliner… played so loud I couldn’t make out his guitar playing… those were the days 
- Man, you get older, get married, have kids, build a career and all it takes is one tune to bring back memories of your youth in full living color… make you think of old friends with whom you’ve lost contact, places you used to haunt, things you used to, girls you used to date… and then you sum it all up and how you lived only for the day because tomorrow may never come and you realize tat’s there a reason you have to leave all that in the past - Greg
I used to gig up until a year or so ago smoky bars mostly; some nicer places, too. I’m not a good player, but good enouhg to play with other folks and pull my part. After that band went kaput, I later joined up with old friends to make a go at playing pop for dances and try for better hours, better pay, but playing music I don’t even listen to. We never made it out of the garage… strange since we had more individual talent and experience than did my old gigging band, but I think we lacked heart. Anyway, since Christmas, I’ve been wanting to put together a southern/hard rock band, whihc I do listen to. I’m also putting together jazz solo pieces (which I also listen to) for myself and maybe some light gigs if I can get it together. Anyway, back to the hard rock stuff… I could enjoy playing that kind of music, but try finding folks in the 45-55 age bracket who want to do that! It’s as hard as finding jazz partners. Greg
If you want to rediscover older rock, and discover "new" old rock looky here: http://www.radioio.com/radioio70s.php No standards like classic rock radio, just great stuff. Most of it fairly obscure. When’s the last time you heard Starcastle, Camel, or Simply Saucer? Mmmmmm tasty.
>When’s the last time you heard Starcastle, Camel, or >Simply Saucer? Mmmmmm tasty.
I had camel’s LP, but have bnot heard of starcstle or simply suacer? Greg
> Trower – man, I had forgotten about all his great tunes…
I remember being in line waiting outside Winterland to see Bill Graham’s show for that Friday Night in San Francisco. No one knew who Robin Trower was, and the rumor floated through the crowd that it was Acoustic Delta Blues. Graham was known for seemingly weird mixes, so that was possible. Jerry Pompeii, the MC, announced,"Ladies and Gentlemen, Robin Tower!" A screaming guitar rocked the room BEFORE the lights came up and the place went CRAZY! It was an incredible night!
I listen to KPFT 90.1 in Houston (Univ radio) on Fridays from 4 to 6 they have old’rock & roll: Frank Marino, Rory Gallagher. Tommy Bolin, They played Green Grass and High Tides (Outlaws).. I haven’t heard in 20 years on the radio. There isn’t any band that comes close right now to old Southern Rock and guitar players of the 70’s . Regardless of whomever Allmans Br have, there is no match to Dickie and Duane. Crap on FM now has no melody, no hooks, no depth. No solos.
I really enjoy Nils Lofgrin. Glad he made money with Springsteen and Neil Young. "You’re the wait" is a truly fine tune. My favorite Trower is the Broken Barricades album with Procol Harum. Wicked guitar.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Grin with Nils Lofgren – local band in my old hometown – Baltimore > area. I saw them when they were nobody. Then they came out with White > Lies and things changed for them, but not overnight. Nils Lofgren has > some excellent music just to listen to. > Trower – man, I had forgotten about all his great tunes… Day of the > eagle, whiskey train, the fool and me… I saw him play way back when > he was an opening act and soon thereafter as the headliner… played so > loud I couldn’t make out his guitar playing… those were the days - > Man, you get older, get married, have kids, build a career and all it > takes is one tune to bring back memories of your youth in full living > color… make you think of old friends with whom you’ve lost contact, > places you used to haunt, things you used to, girls you used to date… > and then you sum it all up and how you lived only for the day because > tomorrow may never come and you realize tat’s there a reason you have > to leave all that in the past - > Greg
>>When’s the last time you heard Starcastle, Camel, or >Simply Saucer? Mmmmmm tasty. > I had camel’s LP, but have bnot heard of starcstle or simply suacer? > Greg
Just curious, what part of the country (no pun there) are you in..?? As in "trouble finding players"… Hang in there… they are out there. And there is SO much great ‘old’ music to play *again*. Story… about 5 yrs ago, I was doing a gig, an open jam… with a ‘throw together’ band… guys from different bands. It was a regular gig and we’d been doing this gig for months. One night, in the middle of a tune in the opening set, a guy walks in the club… every guy in the band (other than me) instantly recognizes him, and obviously supprised and delighted to see him. Since I’m not origianlly *from* the area, I didn’t know him. Now, I *NEVER* do this… but, from the reaction of the rest of the guys… I motion the guy over, and while he obviously thought I wanted to talk to him, I handed him my guitar. I don’t remember the tune we were in the middle of, but without missing a beat, he ripped into it. What a great player…! ! ! The tune ended, everyone was shaking his hand, they mulled over a what tune to do for about 5 seconds… then launched into a four song Bowie set that was absolutely KILLER…! ! ! Turned out, this guy was a *player/singer* from ‘back in the day’… nobody had seen him play for 15+ yrs… and ‘out of the blue’ he appeared, stepped up and it was like he’d been gigging right on through the last decade. After a break, we got up and did a couple tunes, and brought him back up… he new every tune we called, was a GREAT ensemble player, and has the BEST vocal vibrato of anyone I’ve ever been onstage with… amazing.. Anyway, he’d quit the music biz, had a family, worked a reg job for 20 yrs and with the kids *grown* one night decided to get come out and play. Now, like a lot of us, he’s a part time player… and a GREAT one at that. A few months later, he snuck his two sons (not 18) into the back of the club for 30 minutes to hear him do a set… they both play guitar but had never heard ‘the old man’ in a band. They were looking at each other with that "holy-shit-we-never-imagined" look… and they certainly got a new-found respect for their fathers musical *advice*. Somewhere there is a recording from that night… and on it is a rendition of "goin’ down" that people STILL talk about. I’d heard the tune on an old tape of mine that afternoon (West,Bruce, and Lang???) and called it that night. Everyone went "WOW..! ! YEH..! ! Haven’t played that in 30 yrs..! ! " Everyone ‘knew’ the tune, and we *winged* an arrangement on the spot… sometimes luck, the vibe, ones chops, the planets, all line up and ya can’t play a wrong note… right..?? :-) I did a one minute *intro* that started out nowhere NEAR the tune, and brought it right down into the ‘groove’… the drummer ‘heard it coming’ and did a killer lead-in that led the whole band right down the line into the tune. Over half the audience (lots of musicians) had either never heard the tune, or hadn’t heard it in years… Anyway… there are lots of guys out there who can REALLY play.. and sing.. and they are getting to where they ‘have more time’… I’m optomistic that the live music *scene* may find a resurgance over the next ten years… now if some of the clubs would try and be a bit clever and cater to *fans* and musicians it might start ’sooner rather than later’…. Recently on my stereo… Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sprit, New Riders of the Purple Sage, Cold Blood, Tower of Power (What is Hip.??), Larry Carlton Live, The Crusaders Live (with Carlton), Jimmy Thackery and the Drivers…
> I listen to KPFT 90.1 in Houston (Univ radio) > on Fridays from 4 to 6 they have old’rock & roll: > Frank Marino, Rory Gallagher. Tommy Bolin, They > played Green Grass and High Tides (Outlaws).. I haven’t heard in 20 > years > on the radio. > There isn’t any band that comes close right now to old Southern > Rock and guitar players of the 70’s . Regardless of whomever Allmans Br > have, > there is no match to Dickie and Duane. > Crap on FM now has no melody, no hooks, no depth. No solos.
True.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> When’s the last time you heard Starcastle, Camel, or >> Simply Saucer? Mmmmmm tasty. > I had camel’s LP, but have bnot heard of starcstle or simply suacer? > Greg > Just curious, what part of the country (no pun there) are you in..?? > As in "trouble finding players"… > Hang in there… they are out there. And there is SO much great ‘old’ > music to play *again*. > Story… about 5 yrs ago, I was doing a gig, an open jam… with a > ‘throw together’ band… guys from different bands. It was a regular gig > and we’d been doing this gig for months. One night, in the middle of a > tune in the opening set, a guy walks in the club… every guy in the > band (other than me) instantly recognizes him, and obviously supprised > and delighted to see him. Since I’m not origianlly *from* the area, I > didn’t know him. > Now, I *NEVER* do this… but, from the reaction of the rest of the > guys… I motion the guy over, and while he obviously thought I wanted > to talk to him, I handed him my guitar. I don’t remember the tune we > were in the middle of, but without missing a beat, he ripped into it. > What a great player…! ! ! > The tune ended, everyone was shaking his hand, they mulled over a what > tune to do for about 5 seconds… then launched into a four song Bowie > set that was absolutely KILLER…! ! ! > Turned out, this guy was a *player/singer* from ‘back in the day’… > nobody had seen him play for 15+ yrs… and ‘out of the blue’ he > appeared, stepped up and it was like he’d been gigging right on through > the last decade. > After a break, we got up and did a couple tunes, and brought him back > up… he new every tune we called, was a GREAT ensemble player, and has > the BEST vocal vibrato of anyone I’ve ever been onstage with… amazing.. > Anyway, he’d quit the music biz, had a family, worked a reg job for 20 > yrs and with the kids *grown* one night decided to get come out and > play. Now, like a lot of us, he’s a part time player… and a GREAT one > at that. > A few months later, he snuck his two sons (not 18) into the back of the > club for 30 minutes to hear him do a set… they both play guitar but > had never heard ‘the old man’ in a band. They were looking at each other > with that "holy-shit-we-never-imagined" look… and they certainly got a > new-found respect for their fathers musical *advice*. > Somewhere there is a recording from that night… and on it is a > rendition of "goin’ down" that people STILL talk about. I’d heard the > tune on an old tape of mine that afternoon (West,Bruce, and Lang???) and > called it that night. Everyone went "WOW..! ! YEH..! ! Haven’t played > that in 30 yrs..! ! " > Everyone ‘knew’ the tune, and we *winged* an arrangement on the spot… > sometimes luck, the vibe, ones chops, the planets, all line up and ya > can’t play a wrong note… right..?? :-) > I did a one minute *intro* that started out nowhere NEAR the tune, and > brought it right down into the ‘groove’… the drummer ‘heard it coming’ > and did a killer lead-in that led the whole band right down the line > into the tune. Over half the audience (lots of musicians) had either > never heard the tune, or hadn’t heard it in years… > Anyway… there are lots of guys out there who can REALLY play.. and > sing.. and they are getting to where they ‘have more time’… > I’m optomistic that the live music *scene* may find a resurgance over > the next ten years… now if some of the clubs would try and be a bit > clever and cater to *fans* and musicians it might start ’sooner rather > than later’…. > Recently on my stereo… Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sprit, New > Riders of the Purple Sage, Cold Blood, Tower of Power (What is Hip.??), > Larry Carlton Live, The Crusaders Live (with Carlton), Jimmy Thackery > and the Drivers…
GREAT post mvm
> Crap on FM now has no melody, no hooks, no depth. No solos.
KPIG available through out most of Northern and Central Calif and online is FM the way that it used to be. Live DJ’s who play what they want, and it is primarily Blues and Roots Rock. See ya, John
> Recently on my stereo… Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sprit, New Riders > of the Purple Sage, Cold Blood, Tower of Power (What is Hip.??), Larry > Carlton Live, The Crusaders Live (with Carlton), Jimmy Thackery and the > Drivers…
Are you from No Calif? See ya, John
> Grin with Nils Lofgren
The Sex Pistols
Spirit – right on. Jeez, I dodn’t think anybody outside of San Francisco knew of Lydia Pense/Cold Blood. Cold Blood, T of P and Ten Wheel Drive were my favorite brass bands The "Goin’ Down" I remember is Jeff Beck’s version. Good Stuff – all of it. Cool deal to be on the stage with a real player. I hope for the same some day.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>When’s the last time you heard Starcastle, Camel, or >>Simply Saucer? Mmmmmm tasty. > I had camel’s LP, but have bnot heard of starcstle or simply suacer? > Greg > Just curious, what part of the country (no pun there) are you in..?? > As in "trouble finding players"… > Hang in there… they are out there. And there is SO much great ‘old’ > music to play *again*. > Story… about 5 yrs ago, I was doing a gig, an open jam… with a ‘throw > together’ band… guys from different bands. It was a regular gig and we’d > been doing this gig for months. One night, in the middle of a tune in the > opening set, a guy walks in the club… every guy in the band (other than > me) instantly recognizes him, and obviously supprised and delighted to see > him. Since I’m not origianlly *from* the area, I didn’t know him. > Now, I *NEVER* do this… but, from the reaction of the rest of the > guys… I motion the guy over, and while he obviously thought I wanted to > talk to him, I handed him my guitar. I don’t remember the tune we were in > the middle of, but without missing a beat, he ripped into it. What a great > player…! ! ! > The tune ended, everyone was shaking his hand, they mulled over a what > tune to do for about 5 seconds… then launched into a four song Bowie set > that was absolutely KILLER…! ! ! > Turned out, this guy was a *player/singer* from ‘back in the day’… > nobody had seen him play for 15+ yrs… and ‘out of the blue’ he > appeared, stepped up and it was like he’d been gigging right on through > the last decade. > After a break, we got up and did a couple tunes, and brought him back > up… he new every tune we called, was a GREAT ensemble player, and has > the BEST vocal vibrato of anyone I’ve ever been onstage with… amazing.. > Anyway, he’d quit the music biz, had a family, worked a reg job for 20 yrs > and with the kids *grown* one night decided to get come out and play. > Now, like a lot of us, he’s a part time player… and a GREAT one at that. > A few months later, he snuck his two sons (not 18) into the back of the > club for 30 minutes to hear him do a set… they both play guitar but had > never heard ‘the old man’ in a band. They were looking at each other with > that "holy-shit-we-never-imagined" look… and they certainly got a > new-found respect for their fathers musical *advice*. > Somewhere there is a recording from that night… and on it is a rendition > of "goin’ down" that people STILL talk about. I’d heard the tune on an old > tape of mine that afternoon (West,Bruce, and Lang???) and called it that > night. Everyone went "WOW..! ! YEH..! ! Haven’t played that in 30 yrs..! ! > " > Everyone ‘knew’ the tune, and we *winged* an arrangement on the spot… > sometimes luck, the vibe, ones chops, the planets, all line up and ya > can’t play a wrong note… right..?? :-) > I did a one minute *intro* that started out nowhere NEAR the tune, and > brought it right down into the ‘groove’… the drummer ‘heard it coming’ > and did a killer lead-in that led the whole band right down the line into > the tune. Over half the audience (lots of musicians) had either never > heard the tune, or hadn’t heard it in years… > Anyway… there are lots of guys out there who can REALLY play.. and > sing.. and they are getting to where they ‘have more time’… > I’m optomistic that the live music *scene* may find a resurgance over the > next ten years… now if some of the clubs would try and be a bit clever > and cater to *fans* and musicians it might start ’sooner rather than > later’…. > Recently on my stereo… Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sprit, New Riders > of the Purple Sage, Cold Blood, Tower of Power (What is Hip.??), Larry > Carlton Live, The Crusaders Live (with Carlton), Jimmy Thackery and the > Drivers…
>>Recently on my stereo… Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sprit, New Riders >of the Purple Sage, Cold Blood, Tower of Power (What is Hip.??), Larry >Carlton Live, The Crusaders Live (with Carlton), Jimmy Thackery and the >Drivers… > Are you from No Calif? > See ya, > John
Nope. But, I AM from that *era*… :-) How many remember "The Santana Blues Band"..??? Last month… on my stereo… Allman Bros Live in 2004 (Trucks/Haynes), Oscar Peterson *Big 6 at Montreux*(Joe Pass), Jimmy Bruno (Solo), Kenny Burrell, GRP Tenth Anniv Collection, Ralph Stanley (Shine On), Pat Martino… Next week, assorted traditional Irish violin stuff, Mountain, HelleCasters, Lynn Anderson *Cowboys Sweetheart*, A "Cole Porter songbook" (various artists), Joe Venuti and Eddie Lang, Robert Cray *I was Warned* …
> Spirit – right on. > Jeez, I dodn’t think anybody outside of San Francisco knew of Lydia > Pense/Cold Blood. > Cold Blood, T of P and Ten Wheel Drive were my favorite brass bands
SHEEE-IT..! ! ! Ten Wheel Drive..! ! > The "Goin’ Down" I remember is Jeff Beck’s version.
Yep. Everyone remembers that one mostly… the one I have starts with piano… great version. BUT… Leslie West did/does a great version as well. > Good Stuff – all of it. > Cool deal to be on the stage with a real player. I hope for the same some > day.
It will. Happens pretty regular around here these days… last time, it was this goofy guy, strolls in halfway thru a ‘pub crawl’… says it’s his birthday and he only drinks on his birthday. OK…. He is thrilled to see there is a band in the joint… he asks if we do any southern rock/blues.. "Well, of course…" He says he plays harmonica and could he sit in for one song… well, of course. The guy was smokin’..! ! ! And he could sing great…! ! ! We kept him up there for the whole set. He only had one harp so everything had to be ‘in his key’.. :-) Haven’t seen him since, but his birthday is coming up in a couple months…! ! ! ! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>When’s the last time you heard Starcastle, Camel, or >>>Simply Saucer? Mmmmmm tasty. >>I had camel’s LP, but have bnot heard of starcstle or simply suacer? >>Greg >Just curious, what part of the country (no pun there) are you in..?? >As in "trouble finding players"… >Hang in there… they are out there. And there is SO much great ‘old’ >music to play *again*. >Story… about 5 yrs ago, I was doing a gig, an open jam… with a ‘throw >together’ band… guys from different bands. It was a regular gig and we’d >been doing this gig for months. One night, in the middle of a tune in the >opening set, a guy walks in the club… every guy in the band (other than >me) instantly recognizes him, and obviously supprised and delighted to see >him. Since I’m not origianlly *from* the area, I didn’t know him. >Now, I *NEVER* do this… but, from the reaction of the rest of the >guys… I motion the guy over, and while he obviously thought I wanted to >talk to him, I handed him my guitar. I don’t remember the tune we were in >the middle of, but without missing a beat, he ripped into it. What a great >player…! ! ! >The tune ended, everyone was shaking his hand, they mulled over a what >tune to do for about 5 seconds… then launched into a four song Bowie set >that was absolutely KILLER…! ! ! >Turned out, this guy was a *player/singer* from ‘back in the day’… >nobody had seen him play for 15+ yrs… and ‘out of the blue’ he >appeared, stepped up and it was like he’d been gigging right on through >the last decade. >After a break, we got up and did a couple tunes, and brought him back >up… he new every tune we called, was a GREAT ensemble player, and has >the BEST vocal vibrato of anyone I’ve ever been onstage with… amazing.. >Anyway, he’d quit the music biz, had a family, worked a reg job for 20 yrs >and with the kids *grown* one night decided to get come out and play. >Now, like a lot of us, he’s a part time player… and a GREAT one at that. >A few months later, he snuck his two sons (not 18) into the back of the >club for 30 minutes to hear him do a set… they both play guitar but had >never heard ‘the old man’ in a band. They were looking at each other with >that "holy-shit-we-never-imagined" look… and they certainly got a >new-found respect for their fathers musical *advice*. >Somewhere there is a recording from that night… and on it is a rendition >of "goin’ down" that people STILL talk about. I’d heard the tune on an old >tape of mine that afternoon (West,Bruce, and Lang???) and called it that >night. Everyone went "WOW..! ! YEH..! ! Haven’t played that in 30 yrs..! ! >" >Everyone ‘knew’ the tune, and we *winged* an arrangement on the spot… >sometimes luck, the vibe, ones chops, the planets, all line up and ya >can’t play a wrong note… right..?? :-) >I did a one minute *intro* that started out nowhere NEAR the tune, and >brought it right down into the ‘groove’… the drummer ‘heard it coming’ >and did a killer lead-in that led the whole band right down the line into >the tune. Over half the audience (lots of musicians) had either never >heard the tune, or hadn’t heard it in years… >Anyway… there are lots of guys out there who can REALLY play.. and >sing.. and they are getting to where they ‘have more time’… >I’m optomistic that the live music *scene* may find a resurgance over the >next ten years… now if some of the clubs would try and be a bit clever >and cater to *fans* and musicians it might start ’sooner rather than >later’…. >Recently on my stereo… Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sprit, New Riders >of the Purple Sage, Cold Blood, Tower of Power (What is Hip.??), Larry >Carlton Live, The Crusaders Live (with Carlton), Jimmy Thackery and the >Drivers…
> Spirit – right on. > Jeez, I dodn’t think anybody outside of San Francisco knew of Lydia > Pense/Cold Blood. > Cold Blood, T of P and Ten Wheel Drive were my favorite brass bands > The "Goin’ Down" I remember is Jeff Beck’s version.
I just looked at some LP history… West, Bruce, and Laing… "Goin down" doesn’t show up on any of their LPs (???). BUT, I saw them in the 70s (Boulder, CO.) and they played it. The tape I have of the tune is from that era, but it is ‘unlabeled’ and I have no idea where/how I got it. The thing I remember, was being very disapointed with WB&L… but that "Goin Down" was worth the ticket in… it’s the ONLY tune I remember from that show. I don’t think Jack Bruce *fit* in that ensemble… just my recolection. I REALLY miss big rock/funk horn bands… I was IN one for a number of years… Someday, I hope to start/join another… I’d make the line-up Bass Drums Congas B3 Two Guitars (or three) Two Trumpets Two Sax’s One Trombone And if it works… maybe… just MAYBE… … a chick singer…! ! ! ! HA..! ! ! ! ! ! ! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Good Stuff – all of it. > Cool deal to be on the stage with a real player. I hope for the same some > day. >>>When’s the last time you heard Starcastle, Camel, or >>>Simply Saucer? Mmmmmm tasty. >>I had camel’s LP, but have bnot heard of starcstle or simply suacer? >>Greg >Just curious, what part of the country (no pun there) are you in..?? >As in "trouble finding players"… >Hang in there… they are out there. And there is SO much great ‘old’ >music to play *again*. >Story… about 5 yrs ago, I was doing a gig, an open jam… with a ‘throw >together’ band… guys from different bands. It was a regular gig and we’d >been doing this gig for months. One night, in the middle of a tune in the >opening set, a guy walks in the club… every guy in the band (other than >me) instantly recognizes him, and obviously supprised and delighted to see >him. Since I’m not origianlly *from* the area, I didn’t know him. >Now, I *NEVER* do this… but, from the reaction of the rest of the >guys… I motion the guy over, and while he obviously thought I wanted to >talk to him, I handed him my guitar. I don’t remember the tune we were in >the middle of, but without missing a beat, he ripped into it. What a great >player…! ! ! >The tune ended, everyone was shaking his hand, they mulled over a what >tune to do for about 5 seconds… then launched into a four song Bowie set >that was absolutely KILLER…! ! ! >Turned out, this guy was a *player/singer* from ‘back in the day’… >nobody had seen him play for 15+ yrs… and ‘out of the blue’ he >appeared, stepped up and it was like he’d been gigging right on through >the last decade. >After a break, we got up and did a couple tunes, and brought him back >up… he new every tune we called, was a GREAT ensemble player, and has >the BEST vocal vibrato of anyone I’ve ever been onstage with… amazing.. >Anyway, he’d quit the music biz, had a family, worked a reg job for 20 yrs >and with the kids *grown* one night decided to get come out and play. >Now, like a lot of us, he’s a part time player… and a GREAT one at that. >A few months later, he snuck his two sons (not 18) into the back of the >club for 30 minutes to hear him do a set… they both play guitar but had >never heard ‘the old man’ in a band. They were looking at each other with >that "holy-shit-we-never-imagined" look… and they certainly got a >new-found respect for their fathers musical *advice*. >Somewhere there is a recording from that night… and on it is a rendition >of "goin’ down" that people STILL talk about. I’d heard the tune on an old >tape of mine that afternoon (West,Bruce, and Lang???) and called it that >night. Everyone went "WOW..! ! YEH..! ! Haven’t played that in 30 yrs..! ! >" >Everyone ‘knew’ the tune, and we *winged* an arrangement on the spot… >sometimes luck, the vibe, ones chops, the planets, all line up and ya >can’t play a wrong note… right..?? :-) >I did a one minute *intro* that started out nowhere NEAR the tune, and >brought it right down into the ‘groove’… the drummer ‘heard it coming’ >and did a killer lead-in that led the whole band right down the line into >the tune. Over half the audience (lots of musicians) had either never >heard the tune, or hadn’t heard it in years… >Anyway… there are lots of guys out there who can REALLY play.. and >sing.. and they are getting to where they ‘have more time’… >I’m optomistic that the live music *scene* may find a resurgance over the >next ten years… now if some of the clubs would try and be a bit clever >and cater to *fans* and musicians it might start ’sooner rather than >later’…. >Recently on my stereo… Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sprit, New Riders >of the Purple Sage, Cold Blood, Tower of Power (What is Hip.??), Larry >Carlton Live, The Crusaders Live (with Carlton), Jimmy Thackery and the >Drivers…
On the CD Changer Johnny Winter-And, Spirit-The Family that Plays Together, Free-Walkin my Shadow, Andrew Gold – All This and Heaven Too, Bonnie Raitt – Road Tested
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Spirit – right on. > Jeez, I dodn’t think anybody outside of San Francisco knew of Lydia > Pense/Cold Blood. > Cold Blood, T of P and Ten Wheel Drive were my favorite brass bands > The "Goin’ Down" I remember is Jeff Beck’s version. > I just looked at some LP history… West, Bruce, and Laing… "Goin down" > doesn’t show up on any of their LPs (???). BUT, I saw them in the 70s > (Boulder, CO.) and they played it. The tape I have of the tune is from > that era, but it is ‘unlabeled’ and I have no idea where/how I got it. > The thing I remember, was being very disapointed with WB&L… but that > "Goin Down" was worth the ticket in… it’s the ONLY tune I remember from > that show. I don’t think Jack Bruce *fit* in that ensemble… just my > recolection. > I REALLY miss big rock/funk horn bands… I was IN one for a number of > years… > Someday, I hope to start/join another… > I’d make the line-up > Bass > Drums > Congas > B3 > Two Guitars (or three) > Two Trumpets > Two Sax’s > One Trombone > And if it works… maybe… just MAYBE… > … a chick singer…! ! ! ! > HA..! ! ! ! ! ! ! > > Good Stuff – all of it. > Cool deal to be on the stage with a real player. I hope for the same some > day. >>>>When’s the last time you heard Starcastle, Camel, or >>>>Simply Saucer? Mmmmmm tasty. >>>I had camel’s LP, but have bnot heard of starcstle or simply suacer? >>>Greg >>Just curious, what part of the country (no pun there) are you in..?? >>As in "trouble finding players"… >>Hang in there… they are out there. And there is SO much great ‘old’ >>music to play *again*. >>Story… about 5 yrs ago, I was doing a gig, an open jam… with a >>’throw together’ band… guys from different bands. It was a regular gig >>and we’d been doing this gig for months. One night, in the middle of a >>tune in the opening set, a guy walks in the club… every guy in the >>band (other than me) instantly recognizes him, and obviously supprised >>and delighted to see him. Since I’m not origianlly *from* the area, I >>didn’t know him. >>Now, I *NEVER* do this… but, from the reaction of the rest of the >>guys… I motion the guy over, and while he obviously thought I wanted to >>talk to him, I handed him my guitar. I don’t remember the tune we were >>in the middle of, but without missing a beat, he ripped into it. What a >>great player…! ! ! >>The tune ended, everyone was shaking his hand, they mulled over a what >>tune to do for about 5 seconds… then launched into a four song Bowie >>set that was absolutely KILLER…! ! ! >>Turned out, this guy was a *player/singer* from ‘back in the day’… >>nobody had seen him play for 15+ yrs… and ‘out of the blue’ he >>appeared, stepped up and it was like he’d been gigging right on through >>the last decade. >>After a break, we got up and did a couple tunes, and brought him back >>up… he new every tune we called, was a GREAT ensemble player, and has >>the BEST vocal vibrato of anyone I’ve ever been onstage with… amazing.. >>Anyway, he’d quit the music biz, had a family, worked a reg job for 20 >>yrs and with the kids *grown* one night decided to get come out and play. >>Now, like a lot of us, he’s a part time player… and a GREAT one at >>that. >>A few months later, he snuck his two sons (not 18) into the back of the >>club for 30 minutes to hear him do a set… they both play guitar but had >>never heard ‘the old man’ in a band. They were looking at each other with >>that "holy-shit-we-never-imagined" look… and they certainly got a >>new-found respect for their fathers musical *advice*. >>Somewhere there is a recording from that night… and on it is a >>rendition of "goin’ down" that people STILL talk about. I’d heard the >>tune on an old tape of mine that afternoon (West,Bruce, and Lang???) and >>called it that night. Everyone went "WOW..! ! YEH..! ! Haven’t played >>that in 30 yrs..! ! " >>Everyone ‘knew’ the tune, and we *winged* an arrangement on the spot… >>sometimes luck, the vibe, ones chops, the planets, all line up and ya >>can’t play a wrong note… right..?? :-) >>I did a one minute *intro* that started out nowhere NEAR the tune, and >>brought it right down into the ‘groove’… the drummer ‘heard it coming’ >>and did a killer lead-in that led the whole band right down the line into >>the tune. Over half the audience (lots of musicians) had either never >>heard the tune, or hadn’t heard it in years… >>Anyway… there are lots of guys out there who can REALLY play.. and >>sing.. and they are getting to where they ‘have more time’… >>I’m optomistic that the live music *scene* may find a resurgance over the >>next ten years… now if some of the clubs would try and be a bit clever >>and cater to *fans* and musicians it might start ’sooner rather than >>later’…. >>Recently on my stereo… Quicksilver Messenger Service, Sprit, New >>Riders of the Purple Sage, Cold Blood, Tower of Power (What is Hip.??), >>Larry Carlton Live, The Crusaders Live (with Carlton), Jimmy Thackery and >>the Drivers…
Great story! I may have recounted this story before… Playing in a bar as a sub for the local band Rhythm Pigs, which at that time featured one of the founding members of Molly Hatchet. They had a better paying gig a couple of hours away and somehow we got to sub for them at this biker-type bar. I’d never met them and they had never heard us play, but the other guitarist befriended them and thus we got to sub. Half way through the gig in come these guys with long hair; biker types. They pull up at a table a few feet away from us. They seemed a little too interested in us; like they had come in just to see us. We launched into our rendition of Whiskey Man with me playing lead. Only later did I find out that the Pigs’ gig was cancelled and they came in to see what we made of and just who they had let sub for them. Seated not 5 feet from me was Dave Hlubek, who wrote Whiskey Man and played guitar on it. I’m glad I didn’t know it at the time! >Just curious, what part of the country (no pun there) are you in..?? >As in "trouble finding players"…
SE Virginia… I can find players, but not without playing a lot of Jimmy Buffet, Brown-eyed Girl, etc. Nobody my age seems interested in playing Budgie, Hatchet, etc *or* so I thought this AM. Later this AM, I visited a local site and lo and behold, there was a 4 piece band looking for a lead guitarist to play southern rock and classic rock with folks I knoew. I’ve since found that they have found the lead player they were looking for. Greg
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Great story! > I may have recounted this story before… > Playing in a bar as a sub for the local band Rhythm Pigs, which at that > time featured one of the founding members of Molly Hatchet. They had a > better paying gig a couple of hours away and somehow we got to sub for > them at this biker-type bar. I’d never met them and they had never > heard us play, but the other guitarist befriended them and thus we got > to sub. > Half way through the gig in come these guys with long hair; biker > types. They pull up at a table a few feet away from us. They seemed a > little too interested in us; like they had come in just to see us. > We launched into our rendition of Whiskey Man with me playing lead. > Only later did I find out that the Pigs’ gig was cancelled and they > came in to see what we made of and just who they had let sub for them. > Seated not 5 feet from me was Dave Hlubek, who wrote Whiskey Man and > played guitar on it. > I’m glad I didn’t know it at the time!
Damn..! ! ! ! That’s scary..! ! ! Great story..! ! ! Something similar happened to a friend of mine, fortunately, he didn’t play any of the guys songs though… Justin Hayward sat down in front of him and after the set invited him to join him for some beers. Stayed the whole show. >Just curious, what part of the country (no pun there) are you in..?? >As in "trouble finding players"… > SE Virginia… I can find players, but not without playing a lot of > Jimmy Buffet, Brown-eyed Girl, etc.
Yeh… sadly, there are a lot of bands/players *stuck* in those top 40 ‘oldies’ and ‘classic rock’ soft-rock tunes… Even MORE sadly, I *like* those songs, but they’ve been PLAYED TO DEATH and are ‘ruined’, so to speak. One band I know (and used to sit in with all the time) plays classic rock, but lots of stuff nobody else plays, and for comic relief they’ll throw in "Up Against the Wall You Red Neck Mother" or "Don’t Rock The Jukebox"… no need to do ‘Brown Eyed Girl’ anymore. Better still… there are plenty of OTHER Van Morrison tunes to play… > Nobody my age seems interested in playing Budgie, Hatchet, etc *or* so > I thought this AM. Later this AM, I visited a local site and lo and > behold, there was a 4 piece band looking for a lead guitarist to play > southern rock and classic rock with folks I knoew. I’ve since found > that they have found the lead player they were looking for.
Dang.. ! ! Stay in touch with them… maybe they’ll let you ’sit in’ and someone will hear you and ask you to join them… etc..etc… or, sometimes a player ‘won’t work out’ after a few months… ya never know. Good luck..! ! ! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Greg
> Nope. > But, I AM from that *era*… :-) > How many remember "The Santana Blues Band"..???
I did grow up in the Bay Area and I remember The Santana Blues Band. Montrose played at MY High School, and I was at Winterland for their first show playing for Bill Graham. I remember the Marc Ford Blues Band featuring Robben Ford. I remember Fritz featuring Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks. I remember the GolliWogs featuring John Fogerty. I remember KSJO’s anniversary party at Winterland featuring Sammy’s All-Stars that was a mass jam of Montrose. Journey, Steve Miller Band, and Santana! What a night that was..;0)
> On the CD Changer > Johnny Winter-And, Spirit-The Family that Plays Together, Free-Walkin my > Shadow, Andrew Gold – All This and Heaven Too, Bonnie Raitt – Road Tested
Wow early Spirit! Fresh Garbage was too cool. I met Andrew Gold at Norm’s Rare Guitars in LA a few months ago. Boy has he gained weight! I remember Peter Frampton when he was ROCKIN’ and playing the Bay Area every 3 months or so, including being at Winterland when Frampton Alive was recorded. What a time that was!
dontcha miss those days? I know i sure do. I would dearly love to be able to take my daughter (13 yr old budding classic music freak) to see some of this stuff. I got tired of her thinking Christina Aguilera was god, and so introduced her to Aretha, Gladys Knight Patti Labelle and motown generally. Took her to see Kiss and Alice Cooper just so she would know what A big arena rock show is supposed to look like. Don’t you wish you could bottle up your experiences of this nature and pass ‘em on? Ps: i used to bring her to band practices when she was young and so she thinks having people like us (musicians) everywhere is nomal…. poor kid…LOL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I remember Peter Frampton when he was ROCKIN’ and playing the Bay Area every > 3 months or so, including being at Winterland when Frampton Alive was > recorded. What a time that was!
I passed on a guitar from Andrew a while back. Regret it now. Most versitile musician I ever heard. Got to see the original Spirit lineup once and two California/Cassidy incarnations. We all know the legends surrounding Randy and Jimi. I would have killd for his tone on that album. Last concert I saw at Winterland (yes, I was a local) was Abert or Freddie (I can’t remember) King, then Lee Michaels, with the Allman Brothers headlining. People who remember Frampton forget when he played with balls. I think he was tech advisor on the movie "Almost Famous" Ahh, back in the day.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On the CD Changer > Johnny Winter-And, Spirit-The Family that Plays Together, Free-Walkin my > Shadow, Andrew Gold – All This and Heaven Too, Bonnie Raitt – Road Tested > Wow early Spirit! Fresh Garbage was too cool. > I met Andrew Gold at Norm’s Rare Guitars in LA a few months ago. Boy has > he gained weight! > I remember Peter Frampton when he was ROCKIN’ and playing the Bay Area > every 3 months or so, including being at Winterland when Frampton Alive > was recorded. What a time that was!
> People who remember Frampton forget when he played with balls.
I remember seeing Frampton open for John Mayall at the Santa Clara County Fairgrounds, and Peter ROCKED the house! When Mayall came on, most everyone left…
> RP> I just listened to only women bleed three times in a row. > wtf is that?
sometime back I believe it was you said something about bleeding after a procedure, I responded with " ‘only women bleed’ vincent furnier " it was a weak call back. Ray
> RP> I just listened to only women bleed three times in a row. > wtf is that? > furthermore, why don’t i know what that is?
i so wanted to make a ‘missoura/alice cooper’ joke for you but i’ll be damned if i can remember what was so funny about alice cooper that day. (i wish this semester would hurry up and end. i want my brain back.) http://www.alicecooper.com/discography/fistful.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->RP> I just listened to only women bleed three times in a row. > wtf is that? > furthermore, why don’t i know what that is? > i so wanted to make a ‘missoura/alice cooper’ joke for you but i’ll be > damned if i can remember what was so funny about alice cooper that day. > (i wish this semester would hurry up and end. i want my brain back.) > http://www.alicecooper.com/discography/fistful.html
FYI, Etta James did an excellent cover of this song. –michelle
I just listened to only women bleed three times in a row.
RP> I just listened to only women bleed three times in a row. wtf is that? furthermore, why don’t i know what that is? lish "if there’s anything more important than my ego 40.1% / 30 RANA 125 / 68
I just got a Sam Ash catalog today, and on the effects page is this new EH Double Muff. Can’t find it on their website, but here’s an image from MF anyhow: http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/15/153327.jpg Now this isn’t the famous Big Muff, this is two of the infamous Muff Fuzz pedals that many people say sounded like crap. I guess the concept is that if you put two pedals that sound like crap in one enclosure, that it’ll sound twice as ??????? So the hype goes like this: "Using just one gives you a hint of milky distortion. Cascading the second lets you turn your milk into outrageously thick cream." If my memory is any indication, then "milky" wasn’t the word they were looking for! More like coarse and abrasive. But it’s been a while since I heard a Muff, and I wasn’t the one playing through it. So anyhow, the Double Muff might be a really interesting pedal, even if I’m sceptical. They must have noticed some of the other pedal guys doing double distortion pedals, and figured they should give it a shot. Hopefully, it’s better than I’m predicting. Pete — My God! It’s the future. –Fry
>… > Now this isn’t the famous Big Muff, this is two of the infamous Muff > Fuzz pedals that many people say sounded like crap… >What was the Muff Fuzz?
You see them on Ebay once in a while. I built one using two transistors once, but probably because I substituted transistors for a supposedly quieter model, the sound was nothing like the Little Muff I’d heard in the mid ’70s. So I tried building one using an op-amp based Muff schematic, but never managed to get it to work. I need to try flipping the 4558 chip around. I might have it in there backwards. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So the hype goes like this: "Using just one gives you a hint of milky > distortion. Cascading the second lets you turn your milk into > outrageously thick cream." > If my memory is any indication, then "milky" wasn’t the word they were > looking for! More like coarse and abrasive. But it’s been a while > since I heard a Muff, and I wasn’t the one playing through it. >Yeah, I would never have applied that to >anything vaguely related to a Big Muff. > So anyhow, the Double Muff might be a really interesting pedal, even > if I’m sceptical. They must have noticed some of the other pedal guys > doing double distortion pedals, and figured they should give it a > shot. Hopefully, it’s better than I’m predicting. >I’ve never played with two BMPS. One was >generally enough. I love the BMP sound, >but it runs pretty hard by itself. Id be >afraid with two the engine would blow >leaving the line.
But the Muff didn’t have that kind of sustain as I recall. All my Muff schematics are on my last computer, but I could probably dig some up online somewhere. Yep, that was easy. http://home.zonnet.nl/osbruil/mfuzz.html then use the link "Here’s the original schematic…" and that seems to be the schematic I used for the op-amp version. Pete — My God! It’s the future. –Fry
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->… >> Now this isn’t the famous Big Muff, this is two of the infamous Muff >> Fuzz pedals that many people say sounded like crap… >What was the Muff Fuzz? > You see them on Ebay once in a while. > I built one using two transistors once, but probably because I > substituted transistors for a supposedly quieter model, the sound was > nothing like the Little Muff I’d heard in the mid ’70s. So I tried > building one using an op-amp based Muff schematic, but never managed > to get it to work. I need to try flipping the 4558 chip around. I > might have it in there backwards. >> So the hype goes like this: "Using just one gives you a hint of milky >> distortion. Cascading the second lets you turn your milk into >> outrageously thick cream." >> If my memory is any indication, then "milky" wasn’t the word they were >> looking for! More like coarse and abrasive. But it’s been a while >> since I heard a Muff, and I wasn’t the one playing through it. >Yeah, I would never have applied that to >anything vaguely related to a Big Muff. >> So anyhow, the Double Muff might be a really interesting pedal, even >> if I’m sceptical. They must have noticed some of the other pedal guys >> doing double distortion pedals, and figured they should give it a >> shot. Hopefully, it’s better than I’m predicting. >I’ve never played with two BMPS. One was >generally enough. I love the BMP sound, >but it runs pretty hard by itself. Id be >afraid with two the engine would blow >leaving the line. > But the Muff didn’t have that kind of sustain as I recall. All my > Muff schematics are on my last computer, but I could probably dig some > up online somewhere. > Yep, that was easy. http://home.zonnet.nl/osbruil/mfuzz.html then use > the link "Here’s the original schematic…" and that seems to be the > schematic I used for the op-amp version. > Pete
"chaining" distortion pedals is an old trick.. they used to make a little box called "LPB-1" if I recall correctly.. it was mainly a ‘booster’… ie-clean boost… if you used that to *drive* another pedal you could get some wild, rippin distortion from the rig… Very Eddy Van Halen-ish but WAY before he came on the "scene" doing his thing. Which, by the way, the first time I saw someone ‘tapping’ the fret-board while soloing with their "left-hand" was a good 6 yrs before I heard the first Van Halen tune. In a local blues band that is KILLER… the guitar player uses two old TS-9s in line… into a Vibrolux… absolutely KILLER tone with both a 335 and a Strat.. gtski
>"chaining" distortion pedals is an old trick.. they used to make a little >box called "LPB-1" if I recall correctly.. it was mainly a ‘booster’… >ie-clean boost… if you used that to *drive* another pedal you could get >some wild, rippin distortion from the rig…
If was very crude. Really just overdrove the input circuit of whatever you plugged it into. >Very Eddy Van Halen-ish >but WAY before he came on the "scene" doing his thing. Which, by the way, >the first time I saw someone ‘tapping’ the fret-board while soloing with >their "left-hand" was a good 6 yrs before I heard the first Van Halen tune.
Like Jeff Beck about a decade before maybe ? Wouldn’t surprise me if someone said they saw it done before that.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >… > >> Now this isn’t the famous Big Muff, this is two of the infamous Muff > >> Fuzz pedals that many people say sounded like crap… > >What was the Muff Fuzz? > You see them on Ebay once in a while. > I built one using two transistors once, but probably because I > substituted transistors for a supposedly quieter model, the sound was > nothing like the Little Muff I’d heard in the mid ’70s. So I tried > building one using an op-amp based Muff schematic, but never managed > to get it to work. I need to try flipping the 4558 chip around. I > might have it in there backwards. > >> So the hype goes like this: "Using just one gives you a hint of milky > >> distortion. Cascading the second lets you turn your milk into > >> outrageously thick cream." > >> If my memory is any indication, then "milky" wasn’t the word they were > >> looking for! More like coarse and abrasive. But it’s been a while > >> since I heard a Muff, and I wasn’t the one playing through it. > >Yeah, I would never have applied that to > >anything vaguely related to a Big Muff. > >> So anyhow, the Double Muff might be a really interesting pedal, even > >> if I’m sceptical. They must have noticed some of the other pedal guys > >> doing double distortion pedals, and figured they should give it a > >> shot. Hopefully, it’s better than I’m predicting. > >I’ve never played with two BMPS. One was > >generally enough. I love the BMP sound, > >but it runs pretty hard by itself. Id be > >afraid with two the engine would blow > >leaving the line. > But the Muff didn’t have that kind of sustain as I recall. All my > Muff schematics are on my last computer, but I could probably dig some > up online somewhere. > Yep, that was easy. http://home.zonnet.nl/osbruil/mfuzz.html then use > the link "Here’s the original schematic…" and that seems to be the > schematic I used for the op-amp version. > Pete >"chaining" distortion pedals is an old trick.. they used to make a little >box called "LPB-1" if I recall correctly.. it was mainly a ‘booster’… >ie-clean boost… if you used that to *drive* another pedal you could get >some wild, rippin distortion from the rig… Very Eddy Van Halen-ish >but WAY before he came on the "scene" doing his thing. Which, by the way, >the first time I saw someone ‘tapping’ the fret-board while soloing with >their "left-hand" was a good 6 yrs before I heard the first Van Halen tune. >In a local blues band that is KILLER… the guitar player uses two old TS-9s >in >line… into a Vibrolux… absolutely KILLER tone with both a 335 and a >Strat.. >gtski
I have one of those LPB-1s. A guy named Rick Stevenson[1] (anyone know his where abouts? He vanished a couple decades ago) asked me to repair it, but I could only fix things if I could find something that looked burnt, so I couldn’t do anything. So he told me to keep it. Now I know that it’s the on/off switch that’s broken. I had it working briefly using one of those alligator clip wires. The LPB-1 is wired up genuine PTP, between the two jacks, the switch, and the pot, so I’m not exactly looking forward to replacing the switch, because as I recall, there’re a couple resistors attached to it, with short leads. Rick used it into a SF Bassman before I knew him. The SF Bassman was sitting there broken as long as I knew him. It was the first Bassman I’d ever seen. All reports were that the LPB-1 into the Bassman head, was a great sound. Pete [1] – not the director — My God! It’s the future. –Fry
… > The LPB-1 is wired up genuine PTP, between the two jacks, the switch, > and the pot, so I’m not exactly looking forward to replacing the > switch, because as I recall, there’re a couple resistors attached to > it, with short leads.
Just send it to me with return postage and a switch, and I’ll fix it for you.
>… > The LPB-1 is wired up genuine PTP, between the two jacks, the switch, > and the pot, so I’m not exactly looking forward to replacing the > switch, because as I recall, there’re a couple resistors attached to > it, with short leads. >Just send it to me with return >postage and a switch, and I’ll >fix it for you.
That’d be too easy! I’ll have to see if my scanner would do an adequate job of photographing it’s gut’s. People might find the construction techniques interesting. They built the Muff Fuzz into a similar enclosure most of the time, but I think that when they put it in pedal form, they called it the "Little Muff". The pedal Muff is the one I heard several times back in the ’70s, played through by a guy in a local Alice Cooper tribute band. He ran it into an Acoustic 150 amp. Those were real popular around here. Pete — My God! It’s the future. –Fry
A band I did work for – the healing sixes www.healingsixes.com chain TS9s too. It is a great sound for him. He uses a P90 LPjr through two TS9s I modded into a cranked 68 bassman (that I overhauled). I worked on all of his gear except for the guitar (it was from the studio). Eric Saylors is an awesome guitarist and a nice guy to boot. I also have an LPB1 and an LPB2. They are the same except the LPB2 is a floor pedal format, and the LPB1 is a smaller combersome format that has a male phone plug in the output of the box and a slide on/off switch (no foot switch). I used to plug the LPB1 into the silvertone amp I had (and it would scratch the front of the amp). It stands for Linear Power Booster. It is just a pretty decent boost – it does not color the sound much by itself. It will overdrive the front end of a lot of devices and amps. I had to repair both of them over the years many times. I converted the LPB1 to be used with patch chords like a normal device, but over the course of time lost the metal shroud that covers everything. Bummer. They made the LPB1 for several other companies and I have seen several names on the same device. Mine actually says "Wabash Power Booster" on it, not LPB1. The LPB2 is the genuine EH labled version. The old electra power overdrive pedal is also a substancial clean boost (as well as the Overdrive MPC modules that go into the guitars after I mod them). I have lots of fun with them. Thorny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >… > >> Now this isn’t the famous Big Muff, this is two of the infamous Muff > >> Fuzz pedals that many people say sounded like crap… > >What was the Muff Fuzz? > You see them on Ebay once in a while. > I built one using two transistors once, but probably because I > substituted transistors for a supposedly quieter model, the sound was > nothing like the Little Muff I’d heard in the mid ’70s. So I tried > building one using an op-amp based Muff schematic, but never managed > to get it to work. I need to try flipping the 4558 chip around. I > might have it in there backwards. > >> So the hype goes like this: "Using just one gives you a hint of milky > >> distortion. Cascading the second lets you turn your milk into > >> outrageously thick cream." > >> If my memory is any indication, then "milky" wasn’t the word they were > >> looking for! More like coarse and abrasive. But it’s been a while > >> since I heard a Muff, and I wasn’t the one playing through it. > >Yeah, I would never have applied that to > >anything vaguely related to a Big Muff. > >> So anyhow, the Double Muff might be a really interesting pedal, even > >> if I’m sceptical. They must have noticed some of the other pedal guys > >> doing double distortion pedals, and figured they should give it a > >> shot. Hopefully, it’s better than I’m predicting. > >I’ve never played with two BMPS. One was > >generally enough. I love the BMP sound, > >but it runs pretty hard by itself. Id be > >afraid with two the engine would blow > >leaving the line. > But the Muff didn’t have that kind of sustain as I recall. All my > Muff schematics are on my last computer, but I could probably dig some > up online somewhere. > Yep, that was easy. http://home.zonnet.nl/osbruil/mfuzz.html then use > the link "Here’s the original schematic…" and that seems to be the > schematic I used for the op-amp version. > Pete >"chaining" distortion pedals is an old trick.. they used to make a little >box called "LPB-1" if I recall correctly.. it was mainly a ‘booster’… >ie-clean boost… if you used that to *drive* another pedal you could get >some wild, rippin distortion from the rig… Very Eddy Van Halen-ish >but WAY before he came on the "scene" doing his thing. Which, by the way, >the first time I saw someone ‘tapping’ the fret-board while soloing with >their "left-hand" was a good 6 yrs before I heard the first Van Halen tune. >In a local blues band that is KILLER… the guitar player uses two old TS-9s >in >line… into a Vibrolux… absolutely KILLER tone with both a 335 and a >Strat.. >gtski
Yup – when i redid mine to use two female jacks (so I could hook it up using patch cables) I had to create some room. So I used a little bread board and mounted everything on that to make it sturdier and more compact. It works great. The problem with the PTP construction of that unit is that when you plug the less than rigid unit into your amp or device, and unplug, you flex the unit. The PTP wires would flex and break from the stress. I was always repairing it as a kid. It was the first pedal I ever had as I recall. Like I said, the LPB2 is the same just it has a bigger box and has a real footswith on it. I had to replace the footswitch on that one. The slider switch isn’t bad to replace. You can even find one at radio shack. Just draw it out, unsolder, remove, replace, resolder. You might have to mover things around a bit. I eventually had to replace my transistor. Thorny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->… >> The LPB-1 is wired up genuine PTP, between the two jacks, the switch, >> and the pot, so I’m not exactly looking forward to replacing the >> switch, because as I recall, there’re a couple resistors attached to >> it, with short leads. >Just send it to me with return >postage and a switch, and I’ll >fix it for you. >That’d be too easy! >I’ll have to see if my scanner would do an adequate job of >photographing it’s gut’s. People might find the construction >techniques interesting. >They built the Muff Fuzz into a similar enclosure most of the time, >but I think that when they put it in pedal form, they called it the >"Little Muff". The pedal Muff is the one I heard several times back >in the ’70s, played through by a guy in a local Alice Cooper tribute >band. He ran it into an Acoustic 150 amp. Those were real popular >around here. >Pete
I guess that LPB-1 enclosure probably does flex. And EH always did build pedals in rather flimsy boxes, and they sold really well because they weren’r all that expensive, and everyone had them, and they sounded pretty good. I think MXR had a better idea with their Hammond type boxes. I guess the transistor on the one I have is still good, but I just need to replace the switch. I built an LPB-1 clone using perf board once, but it’s sound wasn’t as good as the real thing. Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Yup – when i redid mine to use two female jacks (so I could hook it up >using patch cables) I had to create some room. So I used a little >bread board and mounted everything on that to make it sturdier and >more compact. It works great. The problem with the PTP construction >of that unit is that when you plug the less than rigid unit into your >amp or device, and unplug, you flex the unit. The PTP wires would >flex and break from the stress. I was always repairing it as a kid. >It was the first pedal I ever had as I recall. Like I said, the LPB2 >is the same just it has a bigger box and has a real footswith on it. >I had to replace the footswitch on that one. >The slider switch isn’t bad to replace. You can even find one at >radio shack. Just draw it out, unsolder, remove, replace, resolder. >You might have to mover things around a bit. I eventually had to >replace my transistor. >Thorny >>… >>> The LPB-1 is wired up genuine PTP, between the two jacks, the switch, >>> and the pot, so I’m not exactly looking forward to replacing the >>> switch, because as I recall, there’re a couple resistors attached to >>> it, with short leads. >>Just send it to me with return >>postage and a switch, and I’ll >>fix it for you. >That’d be too easy! >I’ll have to see if my scanner would do an adequate job of >photographing it’s gut’s. People might find the construction >techniques interesting. >They built the Muff Fuzz into a similar enclosure most of the time, >but I think that when they put it in pedal form, they called it the >"Little Muff". The pedal Muff is the one I heard several times back >in the ’70s, played through by a guy in a local Alice Cooper tribute >band. He ran it into an Acoustic 150 amp. Those were real popular >around here. >Pete
– My God! It’s the future. –Fry
> >Very Eddy Van Halen-ish >but WAY before he came on the "scene" doing his thing. Which, by the way, >the first time I saw someone ‘tapping’ the fret-board while soloing with >their "left-hand" was a good 6 yrs before I heard the first Van Halen tune. > Like Jeff Beck about a decade before maybe ? Wouldn’t surprise me if > someone said they saw it done before that.
Hendrix at least dabbled in it, no? Harvey Mandel was incorporating it routinely by the early 70s, but it was seen as more of a curiosity than anything. There was a jazz guy who used the technique in the forties, but that was reportedly more of pianistic, Stanley Jordan kinda thing. The One True Robb
> I guess that LPB-1 enclosure probably does flex. And EH always did > build pedals in rather flimsy boxes, and they sold really well because > they weren’r all that expensive, and everyone had them, and they > sounded pretty good.
My recollections of them are somewhat different. They were cheap. Kids would buy them cuz they were cheap. They’d try them out but eventually figure out they couldn’t get a useable sound out of them. You definitely couldn’t emulate a sound on a recording with one. If they broke, they were usually not worth fixing cuz they were cheap and didn’t sound good anyway. A lot of them surely ended up in the trash bin if for no other reason than having single handedly given a bad name to the words "Fuzz Box"! You’d have to have a pretty bad sound to begin with for one of those to make an improvement. I recall thinking I didn’t really like the name Big muff anyway, as at the time I kinda preferred the smaller sized ones. ;-) jk
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I guess that LPB-1 enclosure probably does flex. And EH always did > build pedals in rather flimsy boxes, and they sold really well because > they weren’r all that expensive, and everyone had them, and they > sounded pretty good. >My recollections of them are somewhat different. They were cheap. Kids >would buy them cuz they were cheap. They’d try them out but eventually >figure out they couldn’t get a useable sound out of them. You >definitely couldn’t emulate a sound on a recording with one. If they >broke, they were usually not worth fixing cuz they were cheap and didn’t >sound good anyway. A lot of them surely ended up in the trash bin if >for no other reason than having single handedly given a bad name to the >words "Fuzz Box"! You’d have to have a pretty bad sound to begin with >for one of those to make an improvement. I recall thinking I didn’t >really like the name Big muff anyway, as at the time I kinda preferred >the smaller sized ones. ;-) >jk
The Big Muff and the Cry Baby were my first pedals. I bought them both at the same time. I still have the Big Muff, and it more or less works, but I need to replace the on/off switch on it. I put these big wide flat knobs on my Big Muff, and I could step on the volume knob, and twist to do swells. Most of the distortion pedals of that era were more like fuzz tones like the Little Muff, and I think the Fuzz Face was pretty big with some crowds. But the Big Muff was actually pretty smooth if you kept a fresh battery in it. I can’t deal with that much sustain these days, but it was a fun pedal back then. Pete — My God! It’s the future. –Fry
I’m Mike Jahn My noncommercial site, TALES OF THE ANCIENT ROCKER, www.geocities.com/theancientrocker, now includes vintage clips and stories from a reporter who was in the middle of it and knew/talked to many of ‘em personally, including Jimi, Janis, Jim, John & Yoko, Roger McGuinn, Pete Townsend, and a bunch of others who I will post original, long-time-no-seen newspaper clips and stories about. Now there are stories on The Beatles The Byrds Alice Cooper The Doors Elvis George Harrison Janis Joplin Charles Manson The Who Woodstock I’m not doing this to make money. I just love the hell out of it. Enjoy and share with your friends. Feel free to link up and let me Mike Jahn TALES OF THE ANCIENT ROCKER http://www.geocities.com/theancientrocker
> I’m Mike Jahn > My noncommercial site, TALES OF THE ANCIENT ROCKER,
Oh fuck off with your ridiculous website.
Kool! YFIO G:)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A lot of you have checked out my non-commericial, for-the-hell-of-it > site, TALES OF THE ANCIENT ROCKER, which tells tales I picked up while > serving as The New York Times’ first rock critic in the 1960s/1970s. I > knew most of the top > rockers of the day (and nearly all those who died in the service of > rock and roll). I just uploaded original stories and/or > not-seen-in-thirty-years newspaper clippings on Alice Cooper (1971 > debut performance in New York), Elvis (1969 comeback concert in > Vegas), and Charles Manson (the 1970 hustling of his rock album, > "Lie.") > I’m about to put up a couple of Byrds clips from 1970 or 20. > Drop in and enjoy. www.geocities.com/theancientrocker > Mike Jahn
A lot of you have checked out my non-commericial, for-the-hell-of-it site, TALES OF THE ANCIENT ROCKER, which tells tales I picked up while serving as The New York Times’ first rock critic in the 1960s/1970s. I knew most of the top rockers of the day (and nearly all those who died in the service of rock and roll). I just uploaded original stories and/or not-seen-in-thirty-years newspaper clippings on Alice Cooper (1971 debut performance in New York), Elvis (1969 comeback concert in Vegas), and Charles Manson (the 1970 hustling of his rock album, "Lie.") I’m about to put up a couple of Byrds clips from 1970 or 20. Drop in and enjoy. www.geocities.com/theancientrocker Mike Jahn
Hi, there is one special sound I’m after, so I try to explain it best as I can… it’s mostly used by 70s bass players… the guy in the Alice Cooper Band often used it when playing live or nowadays the Air bassist uses a similar sound. Maybe it’s a phaser or an auto-wah… I know… what a terrible description, but hopefully you know what I mean. Cheers, Stefan
eerrm I’d guess a Mu-Tron or a bass balls. which Air tracks specifically? I think one of these envelope filters are used on Sexy Boy…. Well, when I play it I use my Bassballs….. neal.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > there is one special sound I’m after, so I try to explain it best as I > can… it’s mostly used by 70s bass players… the guy in the Alice Cooper > Band often used it when playing live or nowadays the Air bassist uses a > similar sound. Maybe it’s a phaser or an auto-wah… > I know… what a terrible description, but hopefully you know what I mean. > Cheers, > Stefan
Moogs are surrounding my bench and are closing in. I have dispatched two of their leaders called Memory, sending them to that form of tech nirvana called "Completed." Yet there are more. They have brought allies named Micro and Mini and Prodigy. They advance slowly, yet their numbers increase daily. There’s a Thomas-Organ-Vox Royal Guardsman I want on my bench, but the Moogs move to intercept. Occasionally they refuse to get out of the way, attacking with new symptoms. These are deceptive and cunning opponents who defy my efforts to create musical sounds, but which do eventually yield to our superior technology. Their interface remains arcane. But I need not play them to conquer them. Only force them to submit to the commands of the control panel. Once the matrix complies with the will of Demux (who is supreme among their gods) others may tame them and extract the cool noises within. It is a grim battle, but I am confident of victory. Ron Maybe the vintage amp market is soft, but the analog synth guys are still busy.
Try not to go to hell Ron. You certainly don’t want to spend eternity surrounded by broken Moogs that you have to fix by the weekend. And every time you get them fixed, there’d be more. "And it stinks so bad, the stones been chokin’, and weepin’ greenish drops. In the room where the giant fire puffer works, and the torture never stops." —F.Z. Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Moogs are surrounding my bench and are closing in. I have dispatched >two of their leaders called Memory, sending them to that form of tech >nirvana called "Completed." Yet there are more. They have brought >allies named Micro and Mini and Prodigy. They advance slowly, yet >their numbers increase daily. >There’s a Thomas-Organ-Vox Royal Guardsman I want on my bench, but the >Moogs move to intercept. Occasionally they refuse to get out of the >way, attacking with new symptoms. These are deceptive and cunning >opponents who defy my efforts to create musical sounds, but which do >eventually yield to our superior technology. Their interface remains >arcane. But I need not play them to conquer them. Only force them to >submit to the commands of the control panel. Once the matrix complies >with the will of Demux (who is supreme among their gods) others may >tame them and extract the cool noises within. >It is a grim battle, but I am confident of victory. >Ron >Maybe the vintage amp market is soft, but the analog synth guys are >still busy.
Are you going to sell the Robert Moogs or repair them for customers? Parker
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Try not to go to hell Ron. You certainly don’t want to spend eternity > surrounded by broken Moogs that you have to fix by the weekend. And > every time you get them fixed, there’d be more. > "And it stinks so bad, the stones been chokin’, > and weepin’ greenish drops. > In the room where the giant fire puffer works, > and the torture never stops." —F.Z. > Pete >Moogs are surrounding my bench and are closing in. I have dispatched >two of their leaders called Memory, sending them to that form of tech >nirvana called "Completed." Yet there are more. They have brought >allies named Micro and Mini and Prodigy. They advance slowly, yet >their numbers increase daily. >There’s a Thomas-Organ-Vox Royal Guardsman I want on my bench, but the >Moogs move to intercept. Occasionally they refuse to get out of the >way, attacking with new symptoms. These are deceptive and cunning >opponents who defy my efforts to create musical sounds, but which do >eventually yield to our superior technology. Their interface remains >arcane. But I need not play them to conquer them. Only force them to >submit to the commands of the control panel. Once the matrix complies >with the will of Demux (who is supreme among their gods) others may >tame them and extract the cool noises within. >It is a grim battle, but I am confident of victory. >Ron >Maybe the vintage amp market is soft, but the analog synth guys are >still busy.
>Are you going to sell the Robert Moogs or repair them for customers?
These are all customer pieces. Ron – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Parker > Try not to go to hell Ron. You certainly don’t want to spend eternity > surrounded by broken Moogs that you have to fix by the weekend. And > every time you get them fixed, there’d be more. > "And it stinks so bad, the stones been chokin’, > and weepin’ greenish drops. > In the room where the giant fire puffer works, > and the torture never stops." —F.Z. > Pete > >Moogs are surrounding my bench and are closing in. I have dispatched > >two of their leaders called Memory, sending them to that form of tech > >nirvana called "Completed." Yet there are more. They have brought > >allies named Micro and Mini and Prodigy. They advance slowly, yet > >their numbers increase daily. > >There’s a Thomas-Organ-Vox Royal Guardsman I want on my bench, but the > >Moogs move to intercept. Occasionally they refuse to get out of the > >way, attacking with new symptoms. These are deceptive and cunning > >opponents who defy my efforts to create musical sounds, but which do > >eventually yield to our superior technology. Their interface remains > >arcane. But I need not play them to conquer them. Only force them to > >submit to the commands of the control panel. Once the matrix complies > >with the will of Demux (who is supreme among their gods) others may > >tame them and extract the cool noises within. > >It is a grim battle, but I am confident of victory. > >Ron > >Maybe the vintage amp market is soft, but the analog synth guys are > >still busy.
I was attacked by Farfisas’ two years ago, they started turning into furniture here (there wasn’t anywhere else to sit!), after six months the fever broke. I’ve tried to immunize myself by using certain key phrases over the telephone, like "$500 to start", it sees to be working. -Robert – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Are you going to sell the Robert Moogs or repair them for customers? > These are all customer pieces. > Ron >Parker >> Try not to go to hell Ron. You certainly don’t want to spend eternity >> surrounded by broken Moogs that you have to fix by the weekend. And >> every time you get them fixed, there’d be more. >> "And it stinks so bad, the stones been chokin’, >> and weepin’ greenish drops. >> In the room where the giant fire puffer works, >> and the torture never stops." —F.Z. >> Pete >> >Moogs are surrounding my bench and are closing in. I have dispatched >> >two of their leaders called Memory, sending them to that form of tech >> >nirvana called "Completed." Yet there are more. They have brought >> >allies named Micro and Mini and Prodigy. They advance slowly, yet >> >their numbers increase daily. >> >There’s a Thomas-Organ-Vox Royal Guardsman I want on my bench, but the >> >Moogs move to intercept. Occasionally they refuse to get out of the >> >way, attacking with new symptoms. These are deceptive and cunning >> >opponents who defy my efforts to create musical sounds, but which do >> >eventually yield to our superior technology. Their interface remains >> >arcane. But I need not play them to conquer them. Only force them to >> >submit to the commands of the control panel. Once the matrix complies >> >with the will of Demux (who is supreme among their gods) others may >> >tame them and extract the cool noises within. >> >It is a grim battle, but I am confident of victory. >> >Ron >> >Maybe the vintage amp market is soft, but the analog synth guys are >> >still busy.
>> Moogs are surrounding my bench and are closing in. I have dispatched > two of their leaders called Memory, sending them to that form of tech > nirvana c
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Hey Pete, I’ve noticed you quote or reffer to Zappa a few times before. I was a huge fan of Zappa for years and have a bunch of his music (on vinyl) even a few things that were not released for distribution! I can still recite the lyric’s to songs I haven’t listened to in years. Saw him twice in concert and as hard as it is to beleive, the songs were performed pretty much note for note! The musicians he hired were always great. John King – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Try not to go to hell Ron. You certainly don’t want to spend eternity > surrounded by broken Moogs that you have to fix by the weekend. And > every time you get them fixed, there’d be more. > "And it stinks so bad, the stones been chokin’, > and weepin’ greenish drops. > In the room where the giant fire puffer works, > and the torture never stops." —F.Z. > Pete >Moogs are surrounding my bench and are closing in. I have dispatched >two of their leaders called Memory, sending them to that form of tech >nirvana called "Completed." Yet there are more. They have brought >allies named Micro and Mini and Prodigy. They advance slowly, yet >their numbers increase daily. >There’s a Thomas-Organ-Vox Royal Guardsman I want on my bench, but the >Moogs move to intercept. Occasionally they refuse to get out of the >way, attacking with new symptoms. These are deceptive and cunning >opponents who defy my efforts to create musical sounds, but which do >eventually yield to our superior technology. Their interface remains >arcane. But I need not play them to conquer them. Only force them to >submit to the commands of the control panel. Once the matrix complies >with the will of Demux (who is supreme among their gods) others may >tame them and extract the cool noises within. >It is a grim battle, but I am confident of victory. >Ron >Maybe the vintage amp market is soft, but the analog synth guys are >still busy.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hey Pete, >I’ve noticed you quote or reffer to Zappa a few >times before. I was a huge fan of Zappa for years >and have a bunch of his music (on vinyl) even >a few things that were not released for distribution! >I can still recite the lyric’s to songs I haven’t >listened to in years. >Saw him twice in concert and as hard as it is to >beleive, the songs were performed pretty much note >for note! The musicians he hired were always great. >John King
When I saw Ron’s post, the first thing I thought was how he must be in Moog Hell. That’s what’s the deal we’re dealing in. Yeah, Frank was a monster. Great band leader too I guess. He always had incredible musicians in his band. And there was all sorts of them who got their careers by having worked with Frank. Terry Bozio for example. That New York album, that was originally released on vinyl before he approved it, and he got pissed and left the record company as a result? He put together a 2 CD set of different takes of those songs, recorded on different days. Well, I own both versions. They’re both great too. But when you hear them both, you realize that there was a certain amount of improvising involved, but for the most part, everything was all orchestrated out. And you realize how much work went into those performances. Those guys are so much better than I am, that it’s embarrassing. I could never have been in a Zappa band. See, you’re ok John, until you can’t get to sleep because you start thinking "We are the other people, We are the other people, We are the other people, You’re the other people too". Then you know you’re in trouble. Pete
|Yeah, Frank was a monster. Great band leader too I guess. He always |had incredible musicians in his band. And there was all sorts of them |who got their careers by having worked with Frank. Terry Bozio for |example. Tons of folks. Steve Vai immediately comes to mind. Steve was good enough he should have made it, anyway, but that’s true of lots of folks who never make it. I never heard that much of Zappa’s stuff, but what I heard was always impressive on some level, if only because he could get that weird on record.
> |Yeah, Frank was a monster. Great band leader too I guess. He always > |had incredible musicians in his band. And there was all sorts of them > |who got their careers by having worked with Frank. Terry Bozio for > |example. > Tons of folks. Steve Vai immediately comes to mind.
Lowell George for me …… dw – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Steve was good enough he should have made it, anyway, > but that’s true of lots of folks who never make it. > I never heard that much of Zappa’s stuff, but what > I heard was always impressive on some level, if only > because he could get that weird on record.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> |Yeah, Frank was a monster. Great band leader too I guess. He always > |had incredible musicians in his band. And there was all sorts of them > |who got their careers by having worked with Frank. Terry Bozio for > |example. > Tons of folks. Steve Vai immediately comes to mind. >Lowell George for me …… >dw
I’ve never taken the time to look up what Lowell George actually did with Zappa, but I do remember the story about how Zappa was the one that suggested the Lowell go out on his own. I know he was never in a Zappa band, but Zappa is rather instrumental in helping launch Alice Cooper’s career. I think the story was that Zappa realized that anyone who had the ability to clear the house of his entire audience probably had a great deal of potential. Pete
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> |Yeah, Frank was a monster. Great band leader too I guess. He always >> |had incredible musicians in his band. And there was all sorts of them >> |who got their careers by having worked with Frank. Terry Bozio for >> |example. >> Tons of folks. Steve Vai immediately comes to mind. >Lowell George for me …… >dw >I’ve never taken the time to look up what Lowell George actually did >with Zappa, but I do remember the story about how Zappa was the one >that suggested the Lowell go out on his own. >I know he was never in a Zappa band, but Zappa is rather instrumental >in helping launch Alice Cooper’s career. I think the story was that >Zappa realized that anyone who had the ability to clear the house of >his entire audience probably had a great deal of potential.
Nah, that was the fellow who managed AC. Zappa was given the job of trying to produce a record for them. It didn’t work for anybody on any level. Zappa saw it as a novelty act. Ron
Here’s a recent email exchange concerning putting one’s amp in an Iso-box for recording. Thought everyone might enjoy it (especially LV): …As for putting your amp in a box for recording and it getting too hot, it’s probably ok, 130 degrees F is too hot to touch but usually not too hot to damage your amp. You know what we REALLY need to do is make one of those boxes that’s big enough to hold two Marshall Majors (you know, those 600 watt things that have TWELVE giant Kt88 output tubes?) complete with eight 12 inch Celestions apiece and an Islamic terrorist who refuses to answer our government’s questions. I say put him in the box with the two Majors on standby and let him sweat. If he still ain’t ready to talk, tell him "I got one word for you pal: ‘Zeppelin’". Then put his sorry butt back in the box sandwiched between the Majors and commence to record the Islamic version of Zeppelin’s second album complete with multiple "Allahu Akbar’s!" and other Islamic references to a "near deaf" experience in the background of the guitar track. The terrorist would now have an all new perspective of what is meant by "Stairway to Heaven"… Of course further questioning would have to be conducted via chalk board, but I bet he’d be ready to talk. And if not? "No more mister nice-guy for you ass-hole, bring on the AC/DC, baby"…
I think making him listen to Donahue would be far more cruel… Lord Valve American – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Here’s a recent email exchange concerning putting one’s amp in an > Iso-box for recording. Thought everyone might enjoy it (especially > LV): > …As for putting your amp in a box for recording and it getting too > hot, it’s probably ok, 130 degrees F is too hot to touch but usually > not too hot to damage your amp. > You know what we REALLY need to do is make one of those boxes that’s > big enough to hold two Marshall Majors (you know, those 600 watt > things that have TWELVE giant Kt88 output tubes?) complete with eight > 12 inch Celestions apiece and an Islamic terrorist who refuses to > answer our government’s questions. I say put him in the box with the > two Majors on standby and let him sweat. If he still ain’t ready to > talk, tell him "I got one word for you pal: ‘Zeppelin’". Then put his > sorry butt back in the box sandwiched between the Majors and commence > to record the Islamic version of Zeppelin’s second album complete with > multiple "Allahu Akbar’s!" and other Islamic references to a "near > deaf" experience in the background of the guitar track. The terrorist > would now have an all new perspective of what is meant by "Stairway to > Heaven"… Of course further questioning would have to be conducted > via chalk board, but I bet he’d be ready to talk. > And if not? > "No more mister nice-guy for you ass-hole, bring on the AC/DC, > baby"…
| |"No more mister nice-guy for you ass-hole, bring on the AC/DC, |baby"… I dunno. I think first I’d "tone it down" with a complete cover of Alice Cooper’s _Killer_ in the guy’s native language. This would twist his mind through a few dimsensions he didn’t know existed!
Or that idiot doctor always on Oprah… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I think making him listen to Donahue would be far more cruel… > Lord Valve > American > Here’s a recent email exchange concerning putting one’s amp in an > Iso-box for recording. Thought everyone might enjoy it (especially > LV): > …As for putting your amp in a box for recording and it getting too > hot, it’s probably ok, 130 degrees F is too hot to touch but usually > not too hot to damage your amp. > You know what we REALLY need to do is make one of those boxes that’s > big enough to hold two Marshall Majors (you know, those 600 watt > things that have TWELVE giant Kt88 output tubes?) complete with eight > 12 inch Celestions apiece and an Islamic terrorist who refuses to > answer our government’s questions. I say put him in the box with the > two Majors on standby and let him sweat. If he still ain’t ready to > talk, tell him "I got one word for you pal: ‘Zeppelin’". Then put his > sorry butt back in the box sandwiched between the Majors and commence > to record the Islamic version of Zeppelin’s second album complete with > multiple "Allahu Akbar’s!" and other Islamic references to a "near > deaf" experience in the background of the guitar track. The terrorist > would now have an all new perspective of what is meant by "Stairway to > Heaven"… Of course further questioning would have to be conducted > via chalk board, but I bet he’d be ready to talk. > And if not? > "No more mister nice-guy for you ass-hole, bring on the AC/DC, > baby"…
>Here’s a recent email exchange concerning putting one’s amp in an >Iso-box for recording. Thought everyone might enjoy it (especially >LV): >…As for putting your amp in a box for recording and it getting too >hot, it’s probably ok, 130 degrees F is too hot to touch but usually >not too hot to damage your amp.
You only need to put the spkr cab in the ISO box not the amp head!!! matt
|You only need to put the spkr cab in the ISO box not the amp head!!! More people play combos than not.
> >Here’s a recent email exchange concerning putting one’s amp in an >Iso-box for recording. Thought everyone might enjoy it (especially >LV): >…As for putting your amp in a box for recording and it getting too >hot, it’s probably ok, 130 degrees F is too hot to touch but usually >not too hot to damage your amp. > You only need to put the spkr cab in the ISO box not the amp head!!! > matt
"Ah!!" he exclaimed, slapping his hand to his forehead. "Maybe *that’s* why I was replacing PTs on a weekly basis!!"
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Here’s a recent email exchange concerning putting one’s amp in an > >Iso-box for recording. Thought everyone might enjoy it (especially > >LV): > >…As for putting your amp in a box for recording and it getting too > >hot, it’s probably ok, 130 degrees F is too hot to touch but usually > >not too hot to damage your amp. > You only need to put the spkr cab in the ISO box not the amp head!!! > matt > "Ah!!" he exclaimed, slapping his hand to his forehead. "Maybe > *that’s* why I was replacing PTs on a weekly basis!!"
Actually, the guy just didn’t feel like pulling the chasis out of his combo before recording… You must be Islamic or something to flame the setup for the rest of the post???
>time! He played a Rick, but I don’t remember what amp he used. They >remastered that album a few years back with extra songs…..it still sounds >great! > Great guitar playing too! > Aloha, Jerry
Yeah, my bro caught that tour & said it was a mindbender too. It’s a Rick alright, but ampwise, no light from my side either…. You know, I love all those bass tones from that 70’s period & nowadays people are killing themselves for those sounds thru all the latest state of the art gear. I know Jaco always said it was in the hands & it’s true, those guys just got on with the job & created the vibe & sound no matter what setup or circumstance. Nice to know PJ lives on in the group by the way, last I heard, he was doing a low key (storming) residency somewhere in Canada…. Love his playing….. Best… jazzi
now there’s a real rhythm section eh….? (sneaky in ‘n’ out lines……) check it out…..
Funny coincidence – I was watching an Alice Cooper live show on video a couple of nights ago during his "Welcome To My Nightmare" period (mid ’70’s?) with Prakash John in the band. He did a nice little solo during the band intros at the end. Anybody know what rig he was using during this period? He was playing a blonde Rickenbacker and getting a good grinding tone (although the audio on the vid was a bit lo-fi) but I couldn’t make out what amp(s) he was using. Gupta
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> now there’s a real rhythm section eh….? > (sneaky in ‘n’ out lines……) > check it out…..
time! He played a Rick, but I don’t remember what amp he used. They remastered that album a few years back with extra songs…..it still sounds great! Great guitar playing too! Aloha, Jerry
Which 70’s guitarist do you think was the better player, Jimmy Page or Richie Blackmore? Which one do you enjoy listening to more? Which one would you say had the better sound? Jarl Sigurd to listen to guitar oriented music by Jarl Sigurd visit: http://www.ampcast.com/JarlSigurd
Page was far and away the better player/producer/all around studio man. Page was more inventive and focused in his playing and song writing (yes, Page was sloppy at times, but that makes his playing more real in some respects). Page was way more commercially successful. And Page is considered an "A list" player. Blackmore was mediocre at best. He owes a lot to Ozzy for his minimal amount of fame… not his playing prowess. And I’ll add the obligatory… IMHO! Parker
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We have been through this soooooooooooooooooooo many times, Now days I